The Electrum

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Those who are beginning to study the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism tend to entertain two related but mistaken assumptions. The first is that the debate involves only two primary positions. The second is that the more extremely one implements either position, the more distant one must be from the other position. The first of these assumptions is simply untrue. The second is true, but only to a point.

Like visible light, positions in the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism form a continuous spectrum. Every Christian who has an opinion on the issues can be located somewhere along that spectrum. The issues that define the positions, however, are not necessarily those that one might expect.

Participants in this debate will be found arguing about divine sovereignty versus human freedom, about the ordo salutis, about the extent of human depravity, about the role of prevenient grace, and about whether election is unconditional, conditional, or corporate. To be sure, all of these questions are important, but they eventually lead to one critical problem. That problem is the definition of divine foreknowledge.

Divine foreknowledge is the hinge upon which all the other debates turn. One’s definition of foreknowledge will determine whether one ends on the Arminian or Calvinistic side of the debate—and everyone who expresses an opinion is on one side or the other.

Arminians see God’s foreknowledge as His foresight. God looks ahead through the corridors of time and sees what free people will choose. For Arminians, divine foreknowledge is essentially reactive.

For their part, Calvinists see God’s foreknowledge as causative. God’s foreknowledge does not passively observe the future, but rather shapes it. God’s foreknowledge makes things happen. According to Calvinists, foreknowledge is not so much God’s foresight as it is His forethought.

Once a definition has been chosen, the other pieces of the puzzle fall into place almost unavoidably. If God’s foreknowledge is causative, then election must be unconditional. If election is unconditional, then divine calling has to be efficacious. That being so, prevenient grace cannot have reversed the volitional effects of depravity. In other words, most of the Calvinistic system follows with logical certainty from a particular definition of foreknowledge. The exception is the negative side of particular redemption—i.e., the denial that Christ provided redemption for the non-elect.

By the same token, most of the system of Arminianism necessarily flows from viewing God’s foreknowledge as foresight. The exception here is the denial of eternal security. Just as some Calvinists affirm a universal provision of redemption, some Arminians affirm eternal security.

This observation implies that shades and gradations exist on both sides of the dividing line. Strict Calvinists affirm limited atonement, while moderate Calvinists do not. Strict Arminians deny eternal security, while moderate Arminians affirm it.

In other words, the debate involves not two, but at least four positions. These are strict Arminianism, moderate Arminianism, moderate Calvinism, and strict Calvinism. Beyond these four, other positions stretch out both sides of the spectrum.

Much ink has been spilled over the phenomenon of hyper-Calvinism. Unfortunately, this term is generally used as a bare pejorative. The abuse of the term, however, should not be allowed to obscure the fact that a genuinely hyper-Calvinistic position does exist, though its adherents sometimes prefer to call it “High Calvinism.”

What are the characteristics of a hyper-Calvinist? Four particularly bear mentioning. These include the denial of common grace, the adoption of a supralapsarian order of the decrees, the acceptance of a doctrine of reprobation or double-predestination, and a refusal to make a free offer of the gospel. More extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism might also teach the doctrine of eternal justification or a form of antinomianism. To the extent that a person holds these four beliefs, that person is going beyond traditional Calvinism as defined at Dort, and that is what makes the position hyper-Calvinistic.

A corresponding position exists on the Arminian side of the spectrum. This position does not really have a label, but for sake of designation it could be called hyper-Arminianism. How does this position differ from historic Arminianism?

Traditionally, Arminianism and Calvinism take similar views of depraved human nature. This similarity is evident in Article Three of the original Arminian Articles, which affirms,

That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as he, in the state of apostasy and sin, can of and by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); but that it is needful that he be born again of God in Christ, through his Holy Spirit, and renewed in understanding, inclination, or will, and all his powers, in order that he may rightly understand, think, will, and effect what is truly good, according to the Word of Christ, John 15:5, “Without me ye can do nothing.”

Theological students who encounter this statement for the first time often mistake it for a Calvinistic affirmation. It is not. For both traditional Calvinists and traditional Arminians, the will has been so affected by the fall that humans, left to themselves, are utterly incapable of any positive response toward God (in other words, they have lost the moral ability to believe). The difference between Calvinists and Arminians consists in how they solve this problem. According to Arminians, God restores some element of moral ability to all humans as an aspect of prevenient grace. Calvinists believe that God restores full moral ability, but only to the elect as part of saving grace.

This original disabling of the will is what hyper-Arminians deny. In their mind, every human being already has complete freedom of will in every sense, and is always and fully able to choose God at any time. Effectively, hyper-Arminianism denies that depravity has affected the human will. (This position is sometimes mistaken for Pelagianism, but Pelagian theology also denies the imputation of original sin.)

In today’s debates, hyper-Arminians often prefer to call themselves Biblicists. They usually insist that they are neither Calvinists nor Arminians. In one sense, they are right: their position is much more extreme than historic, traditional Arminianism. Nevertheless, their definition of foreknowledge places them firmly on the Arminian side of the spectrum.

So does their insistence upon a libertarian definition of freedom. By this definition, the will is not free unless one might actually make the contrary choice. For Calvinists, however, freedom consists in the ability to do what one chooses without constraint or restraint. Most Calvinists have believed that the will can be shaped and even determined in a number of ways without damaging genuine freedom. The debate between libertarianism and compatibilism corresponds closely to the divide between Arminianism and Calvinism.

This debate also propels some Arminians into an even more extreme position. They reason that if God knows our choices in advance, then we necessarily will make the choices that He foresees. If we will necessarily make a particular choice, however, then it is not really possible to make the contrary choice. In other words, even with a “soft” definition of divine foreknowledge as foresight, libertarian freedom becomes impossible.

The logic of this position is really air-tight, and it results in a pretty abysmal choice. One can affirm foreknowledge and remain biblical, but sacrifice reason. Or one can deny foreknowledge and remain logical, but be forced to reinterpret Scripture in radical ways. Those who deny foreknowledge are known as Free Will Theists or Open Theists. For the most part, Open Theists insist that their theology is simply the logical extension of the core ideas of Arminianism.

Opposite to Open Theism is a position that denies any form of human freedom and subjects every event and decision to “hard” determinism. In extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism, this position makes God so much the author of sin that humans bear little or no actual responsibility for their acts. All Arminians and most Calvinists are horrified by these ideas, just as all Calvinists and most Arminians are horrified by Open Theism.

At this point in the spectrum, an odd thing happens. On one end of the spectrum, hard determinism turns into fatalism (choice is merely an illusion, but people are really ruled by fate). On the other end of the spectrum, freedom becomes so loose as to become virtually random, and therefore essentially a matter of chance, luck, or fortune. But fate and luck are simply different names for the same thing. In other words, the two ends of the spectrum meet. Someone who goes far enough in either direction will end up in exactly the same place.

In the present essay, I am not trying to argue for one direction or the other. Nevertheless, I would like to draw out certain lessons. First, understood in these terms, all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism. Second, more than two positions are possible. Both Arminianism and Calvinism have moderate and extreme versions. Third, it is not proper to critique any position by pointing to its extreme expressions, for the most extreme expressions of both directions are identical to each other. Fourth, there is no one distinctively “Biblicist” position. People from extreme hyper-Calvinists to hyper-Arminians (and perhaps many Open Theists) believe that they are deriving their conclusions from the text of Scripture—and invariably the advocates of one view think that the advocates of all the others are overly influenced by extra-biblical considerations.

Nevertheless, some positions are more biblical than others, and that leads to a final observation. The issues that come into play in the “electrum” are of different kinds. Some of them are serious enough to affect fundamentals of the faith. Any position that makes God the efficient cause of sin is blasphemous. Likewise, any theory that denies exhaustively definite foreknowledge constitutes an implicit denial of the gospel. Furthermore, any theory that makes ultimate salvation dependent upon human work or merit damages the very foundations of the faith.

Having said that, Christians of good will should not impute these extreme theories to the more moderate expressions of Calvinism or Arminianism. To say that every Arminian is an Open Theist or a Pelagian is slander. To suggest that Calvinists necessarily make God the author of sin—as if God Himself induced people to do evil—is to engage in distortion to the point of deception. Each position needs to be understood in its own terms and represented fairly.

Other points of argument, however, are of lesser significance. The definition of foreknowledge is important, but it is an issue over which Christians may charitably disagree. The same is the case with the position of faith and regeneration in the ordo salutis, the definition of election, and the role of common grace in restoring the moral ability to choose God. To be sure, these questions matter a great deal, but they are not the sort of questions over which Christian fellowship and cooperation must fracture. We should be able to discuss such things without raising tempers and voices.

Those discussions would be more fruitful if they began with a spirit of curiosity. A Calvinist ought to wonder how an Arminian can hold the system of faith together with putative integrity and consistency, and the Arminian ought to wonder the same thing about the Calvinist. Therefore, the first step in the discussion should not be to look for evidence that the other is wrong, but to discover those parts of the system that make it seem right. Even if we want to refute another position, the first step toward being able to do that is to learn to articulate it in a convincing way. If each of us would extend this courtesy to the other positions in the “electrum,” we might often change the character of the debate.

All Mortal Vanities, Begone
Isaac Watts (1674–1748)

All mortal vanities, begone,
Nor tempt my eyes, nor tire my ears;
Behold, amidst th’eternal throne,
A vision of the Lamb appears.

Glory His fleecy robe adorns,
Marked with the bloody death He bore;
Seven are His eyes, and seven His horns,
To speak His wisdom and His power.

Lo! He receives a sealèd book
From Him that sits upon the throne;
Jesus, my Lord, prevails to look
On dark decrees and things unknown.

All the assembling saints around
Fall worshipping before the Lamb,
And in new songs of gospel sound
Address their honors to His Name.

The joy, the shout, the harmony,
Flies o’er the everlasting hills
“Worthy art Thou alone,” they cry,
“To read the book, to loose the seals.”

Our voices join the heav’nly strain,
And with transporting pleasure sing,
“Worthy the Lamb that once was slain,
To be our Teacher and our King!”

His words of prophecy reveal
Eternal counsels, deep designs;
His grace and vengeance shall fulfill
The peaceful and the dreadful lines.

Thou hast redeemed our souls from hell
With Thine invaluable blood;
And wretches that did once rebel
Are now made favorites of their God.

Worthy forever is the Lord,
That died for treasons not His own,
By every tongue to be adored,
And dwell upon His Father’s throne!

Discussion

Larry, I don’t think any theology professor would agree with you

If the Bible were a system, we wouldn’t need systematic theologies.
Actually, I don’t know any theology professor who would disagree with me but I may not know enough. I think most would say that the Bible is the revelation of God and is perfectly internally consistent.

The claim that the Bible is not a systematic textbook is really beside the point. No one is claiming that it is. But the Bible reveals to us truth that came out of a system, or can be put into a system if you prefer. The reason is because God only has one system of truth and every truth corresponds and fits into every other truth. That, by definition, is what a system is … It is a correlation of truth into a coherent whole.

Of course God hasn’t revealed it all to us, but everything that he has revealed is true, and it is all non-contradictory. We are limited by finitude and sin so we are unable to fully comprehend the system of God’s truth, and in fact, we may never be able to since we will always be finite. But there is no contradiction in God’s truth. It is 100% internally consistent.

[Don Johnson] I realize there are other issues with respect to John 6. But we were talking about v. 44. Regardless of one’s system, you have to interpret the passage grammatically. Ted is just wrong in making the AND connect the pronouns. That’s not the way the sentence works.

For those who have Bibleworks, check Randy Leedy’s diagram of the verse. The conjunction coordinates the two main clauses: “No man can come to me” and “I will raise him at the last day”. The ‘exception’ modifies “No man can come to me”. That’s the way the sentence works. It doesn’t say whether there are some who are drawn who don’t come. It says those who come are drawn. There is a big difference between the two ideas.
I only have one question then. What is the antecedent (the word, idea, person, etc. being referred to) of the pronoun “auton” in the second independent clause of the compound sentence in John 6:44? Restated, when the verse says “I will raise HIM,” to whom is the HIM referring?

By the way, I have Bibleworks, and I know how to diagram a verse too, and I diagrammed the verse before asking the question. I ask to give you the opportunity to comment on your treatment of the verse.

A helpful quote from Augustine on the paradoxes of Grace and the freedom of Choice.
[St. Augustine] We should remember that it is He who says, “Turn ye and live,” to whom it is said in prayer, “Turn us again, O God.” We should remember that He says, “Cast away from you all your transgressions,” when it is even He who justifies the ungodly. We should remember that He says, “Make you a new heart and a new spirit,” who also promises, “I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit will I put within you.” How is it, then, that He who says, “Make you,” also says, “I will give you “? Why does He command, if He is to give? Why does He give if man is to make, except it be that He gives what He commands when He helps him to obey whom He commands? There is, however, always within us a free will,—but it is not always good; for it is either free from righteousness when it serves sin,—and then it is evil,—or else it is free from sin when it serves righteousness,—and then it is good. But the grace of God is always good; and by it, it comes to pass that a man is of a good will, though he was before of an evil one.

On Grace and Free Will Chapter 15

Forrest Berry

Dr. Bauder does not appear to normally employ fallacies for his arguments but his statement…:
First, understood in these terms, all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism.
…is a rather classic example of a false dilemma combined with an extremely narrow definition.

Since the following material from Dr. Bauder was quoted, I thought that it would be appropriate to post it “with” the prior context.
Opposite to Open Theism is a position that denies any form of human freedom and subjects every event and decision to “hard” determinism. In extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism, this position makes God so much the author of sin that humans bear little or no actual responsibility for their acts. All Arminians and most Calvinists are horrified by these ideas, just as all Calvinists and most Arminians are horrified by Open Theism.

At this point in the spectrum, an odd thing happens. On one end of the spectrum, hard determinism turns into fatalism (choice is merely an illusion, but people are really ruled by fate). On the other end of the spectrum, freedom becomes so loose as to become virtually random, and therefore essentially a matter of chance, luck, or fortune. But fate and luck are simply different names for the same thing. In other words, the two ends of the spectrum meet. Someone who goes far enough in either direction will end up in exactly the same place.

In the present essay, I am not trying to argue for one direction or the other. Nevertheless, I would like to draw out certain lessons. First, understood in these terms, all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism.
I would also point out the first two sentences.
Those who are beginning to study the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism tend to entertain two related but mistaken assumptions. The first is that the debate involves only two primary positions.
I would suggest reading carefully and comparing. Is Dr. Bauder really presenting an unnuanced either/or when he says that they end up in either one or the other?

I certainly did read this but his qualifier appears to me to have no real effect on his conclusion which is that everyone still is some form of the two. He can say it is a “mistake” to assume that the debate “involves only two primary positions” but when all is said and done and you wind up concluding “all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism” you have just established two primary positions which demands that everything fall in between. I believe this scale is both greatly ineffective and a false dilemma.

Alex, if it is not true that “understood in these terms, all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism,” then what else is there? What is another option using the terms as Bauder has laid them out?

Well if we use the terms “as Bauder has laid them out” then certainly his scale has no room for any other considerations. I am saying his scale, his reasoning, employs a false dilemma with narrow definitions.

I believe that one can find relationships between varying schools and yes, some might happily identify themselves as “semi-this” or “hyper-that”. But other schools of theology as it relates to ordo salutis, divine sovereignty and human volition and so on, are possessive of proprietary positions and arguments, so much so that their identification with these two schools by others in order to subordinate them in such a binary way, fails to appreciate and respect their distinctions and theological autonomy.

I certainly can list systems that reject identification with either school but that is irrelevant. What is overriding is the principle of the matter which I believe invalidates Bauder’s approach as it relates to his scale. However, do let me say that because I reject the scale does not mean that I don’t recognize the value of many points in the article.

[Caleb S] I only have one question then. What is the antecedent (the word, idea, person, etc. being referred to) of the pronoun “auton” in the second independent clause of the compound sentence in John 6:44? Restated, when the verse says “I will raise HIM,” to whom is the HIM referring?
Hi Caleb

Just a quick response… after my flurry of activity this am, I headed off for a long day and it isn’t over yet.

The antecedent of both uses of auton would be the one who comes to the Father.

“No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him [the one coming to me] ,

AND I will raise him [the one coming to me] up at the last day.”

FWIW

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Roland,

It’s your modernistic paradigm, man. :D …

Seriously, I don’t want to get too deep here with you, but to your first point, whether you label something or not, it shares characteristics with things that already have a label. Take for instance being Baptist (which I am). I can say “I am not a Baptist” but when you look at what I believe and practice, it becomes clear that rejecting the label means nothing. So yes, everything fits into the spectrum at some point as Bauder has defined it. I am not sure why that is a problem. You can say you aren’t Arminian, or Pelagian, or Calvinist or whatever, but at the end of the day, when your beliefs align with what those labels stand for it doesn’t really matter that you deny the label.

To your second point, I think Don is going to say that they are two groups … that the group “drawn” is not the same as the group “raised up.” In other words, I imagine knowing Don a bit that he will say that all are drawn, but only those who come are actually raised up.

I don’t want to get in a back and forth here but just a couple of quick issues.
Now, I expect that you will first say there is no internal consistency here and I possess internal contradictions.
To quote you, how can you know someone so well that you can predict their response?
I hold these are apparent paradoxes,
Most of you say puts you on the one side of the spectrum apart from one thing and apart from some stuff you omit here. But again I think you miss the point. The fact that you reject a label does not mean that the label does not apply. The label describes a belief. If you hold the belief, then the label applies whether you like it or not. Remember the old line about a rose by any other name … You can reject the label because at the end of the day, what matters is what you believe.

I actually think the better response is “Until I know what you mean by a label, I don’t know if it applies to me or not.” I have said this before about fundamentalism. Until I know what you mean by fundamentalism, I don’t know if I am one.
Larry, I have a very simple question for you. What were Christians before Calvin and Arminius?
The same thing they are now. Remember, the labels describe beliefs. The labels themselves are irrelevant. This is like asking what did someone die of before the disease that killed them was called diabetes? The answer: diabetes. We just had a different name for it, or no name at all.
Larry, how can you know someone so well that you can predict their response?
Apparently, you and I are similar in this regard since you did it as well.

However, in direct answer, I have read a bit of what Don has said before. I may be wrong. I don’t know. That’s why I said I think. I don’t know.
You are deterministic.
Why do you insist on labeling me? I thought you didn’t like labels.
There’s a certain distaste in my mouth when one says, “I know what someone else is going to do.”
Did you have this distaste when you predicted what I was going to say that there was “no internal consistency here and I possess internal contradictions”?

BTW, it doesn’t bother me that you predicted what I was going to say. I am just confused as to why you didn’t seem to like it when I did it but don’t seem to mind it when you do it.
My point is that there are two groups globally—those who come and those who don’t.
Yes, but the question, as always, is why are some in one group and not in another. The way that we answer this question puts us on one side or the other.
All are drawn
This was what you omitted above which very clearly puts you in one camp. There is one side of the spectrum that uses language like this.
However, only one group, those who come, is addressed here.
Actually that is the point of the discussion and that’s what I was asking Don. I think there is only one group here, but based on what you just said, you seem to think there are two. Since all are drawn and those who come are raised up, the “drawn” and the “come/raised up” equals two groups. The second, for you, is a subset of the first.

And now, I am way further into this than I intended to be. :(

I had a theology professor who taught the Cults class at my college. When it came to the study of JWs and Mormons and how to witness to them he challenged us to understand that the first step was understanding the definition of terms. One can not have a conversation when the definitions of terms are not clarified. A JW may say “I believe that Jesus is the Son of God,” but all of us understand that they define their terms differently then we do.

It is my experience that here in lies the problem. When discussing the abstract, the need to agree on term definition is excelled. Two of us may be able to gaze upon a rose and call it two different things, but the definition of the terms we use are the same because we are defining something that is not abstract. A rose is still a rose despite any change in term.

That argument can not be used when it comes to labels. Being a Baptist is an abstract thought. The term Baptist can and has changed definitions and still can change definitions based on the context of its usage and the culture that is behind the user of the term. So in order for us to discuss being a baptist, we have to agree on the basic definition of the term. So in short I CAN reject a label and have it mean something, because the label may not fit the definition I have for that term/label.

I.E - I have been in a church that believes that in order to be a true Calvinist one must agree on all five points of TULIP in their historical definitions. I have also been in a church that believes that in order to be a true Calvinist one must only agree with one point of TULIP in their historical definitions. The term Calvinist then changes definition based on culture and context. I am a 4 point believer of the points of TULIP in their historical definitions, so am I a Calvinist?

Tim Lyzenga

There is no natural underlying scheme of theological reality matching Arminianism and Calvinism.
Then why has this won the day in orthodox evangelical theology for centuries? Are you suggesting that all these people have no sense of theological reality?
Yeah, you did catch me out on this one and you’ve made the most of it. I dug a pit and fell into it. I ought to have said, “In light of these things, you may say that I am inconsistent or have internal contradictions.”
I actually wasn’t bothered by it in the least. I just thought it was strange, but perhaps that was just my modernism rationality kicking in :D (It’s a joke.)
Well, no one compelled you to respond. You made the choice.
I had no choice. I was dragged kicking and screaming against my will. It was irresistible and I am totally depraved enough to give into it.

In Jn 6.44, only one group is in view, those who are drawn and come and are raised.

As to the question whether all are drawn, I am not sure I would say that, except in the most general way. No one is without excuse because of general revelation, so one could argue, I suppose, that all are drawn to some extent. But I think that is irrelevant to the main points of the doctrine.

I do think there are at least some drawn who do not come, but I really don’t want to debate the point. In this thread, so far, I am only interested in discussing Jn 6.44. I am not really interested in interminable discussion of the age old debate. I just want to call people to let the Scripture speak. I don’t see why the Calvinist has to twist Jn 6.44 to buttress his position. The most we can say about it is that while it leaves open the possibility that some could be drawn who do not come, it doesn’t say that ONLY those who come are drawn. What it does say is those who come are drawn and are raised.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3