The Electrum

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Those who are beginning to study the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism tend to entertain two related but mistaken assumptions. The first is that the debate involves only two primary positions. The second is that the more extremely one implements either position, the more distant one must be from the other position. The first of these assumptions is simply untrue. The second is true, but only to a point.

Like visible light, positions in the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism form a continuous spectrum. Every Christian who has an opinion on the issues can be located somewhere along that spectrum. The issues that define the positions, however, are not necessarily those that one might expect.

Participants in this debate will be found arguing about divine sovereignty versus human freedom, about the ordo salutis, about the extent of human depravity, about the role of prevenient grace, and about whether election is unconditional, conditional, or corporate. To be sure, all of these questions are important, but they eventually lead to one critical problem. That problem is the definition of divine foreknowledge.

Divine foreknowledge is the hinge upon which all the other debates turn. One’s definition of foreknowledge will determine whether one ends on the Arminian or Calvinistic side of the debate—and everyone who expresses an opinion is on one side or the other.

Arminians see God’s foreknowledge as His foresight. God looks ahead through the corridors of time and sees what free people will choose. For Arminians, divine foreknowledge is essentially reactive.

For their part, Calvinists see God’s foreknowledge as causative. God’s foreknowledge does not passively observe the future, but rather shapes it. God’s foreknowledge makes things happen. According to Calvinists, foreknowledge is not so much God’s foresight as it is His forethought.

Once a definition has been chosen, the other pieces of the puzzle fall into place almost unavoidably. If God’s foreknowledge is causative, then election must be unconditional. If election is unconditional, then divine calling has to be efficacious. That being so, prevenient grace cannot have reversed the volitional effects of depravity. In other words, most of the Calvinistic system follows with logical certainty from a particular definition of foreknowledge. The exception is the negative side of particular redemption—i.e., the denial that Christ provided redemption for the non-elect.

By the same token, most of the system of Arminianism necessarily flows from viewing God’s foreknowledge as foresight. The exception here is the denial of eternal security. Just as some Calvinists affirm a universal provision of redemption, some Arminians affirm eternal security.

This observation implies that shades and gradations exist on both sides of the dividing line. Strict Calvinists affirm limited atonement, while moderate Calvinists do not. Strict Arminians deny eternal security, while moderate Arminians affirm it.

In other words, the debate involves not two, but at least four positions. These are strict Arminianism, moderate Arminianism, moderate Calvinism, and strict Calvinism. Beyond these four, other positions stretch out both sides of the spectrum.

Much ink has been spilled over the phenomenon of hyper-Calvinism. Unfortunately, this term is generally used as a bare pejorative. The abuse of the term, however, should not be allowed to obscure the fact that a genuinely hyper-Calvinistic position does exist, though its adherents sometimes prefer to call it “High Calvinism.”

What are the characteristics of a hyper-Calvinist? Four particularly bear mentioning. These include the denial of common grace, the adoption of a supralapsarian order of the decrees, the acceptance of a doctrine of reprobation or double-predestination, and a refusal to make a free offer of the gospel. More extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism might also teach the doctrine of eternal justification or a form of antinomianism. To the extent that a person holds these four beliefs, that person is going beyond traditional Calvinism as defined at Dort, and that is what makes the position hyper-Calvinistic.

A corresponding position exists on the Arminian side of the spectrum. This position does not really have a label, but for sake of designation it could be called hyper-Arminianism. How does this position differ from historic Arminianism?

Traditionally, Arminianism and Calvinism take similar views of depraved human nature. This similarity is evident in Article Three of the original Arminian Articles, which affirms,

That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as he, in the state of apostasy and sin, can of and by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); but that it is needful that he be born again of God in Christ, through his Holy Spirit, and renewed in understanding, inclination, or will, and all his powers, in order that he may rightly understand, think, will, and effect what is truly good, according to the Word of Christ, John 15:5, “Without me ye can do nothing.”

Theological students who encounter this statement for the first time often mistake it for a Calvinistic affirmation. It is not. For both traditional Calvinists and traditional Arminians, the will has been so affected by the fall that humans, left to themselves, are utterly incapable of any positive response toward God (in other words, they have lost the moral ability to believe). The difference between Calvinists and Arminians consists in how they solve this problem. According to Arminians, God restores some element of moral ability to all humans as an aspect of prevenient grace. Calvinists believe that God restores full moral ability, but only to the elect as part of saving grace.

This original disabling of the will is what hyper-Arminians deny. In their mind, every human being already has complete freedom of will in every sense, and is always and fully able to choose God at any time. Effectively, hyper-Arminianism denies that depravity has affected the human will. (This position is sometimes mistaken for Pelagianism, but Pelagian theology also denies the imputation of original sin.)

In today’s debates, hyper-Arminians often prefer to call themselves Biblicists. They usually insist that they are neither Calvinists nor Arminians. In one sense, they are right: their position is much more extreme than historic, traditional Arminianism. Nevertheless, their definition of foreknowledge places them firmly on the Arminian side of the spectrum.

So does their insistence upon a libertarian definition of freedom. By this definition, the will is not free unless one might actually make the contrary choice. For Calvinists, however, freedom consists in the ability to do what one chooses without constraint or restraint. Most Calvinists have believed that the will can be shaped and even determined in a number of ways without damaging genuine freedom. The debate between libertarianism and compatibilism corresponds closely to the divide between Arminianism and Calvinism.

This debate also propels some Arminians into an even more extreme position. They reason that if God knows our choices in advance, then we necessarily will make the choices that He foresees. If we will necessarily make a particular choice, however, then it is not really possible to make the contrary choice. In other words, even with a “soft” definition of divine foreknowledge as foresight, libertarian freedom becomes impossible.

The logic of this position is really air-tight, and it results in a pretty abysmal choice. One can affirm foreknowledge and remain biblical, but sacrifice reason. Or one can deny foreknowledge and remain logical, but be forced to reinterpret Scripture in radical ways. Those who deny foreknowledge are known as Free Will Theists or Open Theists. For the most part, Open Theists insist that their theology is simply the logical extension of the core ideas of Arminianism.

Opposite to Open Theism is a position that denies any form of human freedom and subjects every event and decision to “hard” determinism. In extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism, this position makes God so much the author of sin that humans bear little or no actual responsibility for their acts. All Arminians and most Calvinists are horrified by these ideas, just as all Calvinists and most Arminians are horrified by Open Theism.

At this point in the spectrum, an odd thing happens. On one end of the spectrum, hard determinism turns into fatalism (choice is merely an illusion, but people are really ruled by fate). On the other end of the spectrum, freedom becomes so loose as to become virtually random, and therefore essentially a matter of chance, luck, or fortune. But fate and luck are simply different names for the same thing. In other words, the two ends of the spectrum meet. Someone who goes far enough in either direction will end up in exactly the same place.

In the present essay, I am not trying to argue for one direction or the other. Nevertheless, I would like to draw out certain lessons. First, understood in these terms, all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism. Second, more than two positions are possible. Both Arminianism and Calvinism have moderate and extreme versions. Third, it is not proper to critique any position by pointing to its extreme expressions, for the most extreme expressions of both directions are identical to each other. Fourth, there is no one distinctively “Biblicist” position. People from extreme hyper-Calvinists to hyper-Arminians (and perhaps many Open Theists) believe that they are deriving their conclusions from the text of Scripture—and invariably the advocates of one view think that the advocates of all the others are overly influenced by extra-biblical considerations.

Nevertheless, some positions are more biblical than others, and that leads to a final observation. The issues that come into play in the “electrum” are of different kinds. Some of them are serious enough to affect fundamentals of the faith. Any position that makes God the efficient cause of sin is blasphemous. Likewise, any theory that denies exhaustively definite foreknowledge constitutes an implicit denial of the gospel. Furthermore, any theory that makes ultimate salvation dependent upon human work or merit damages the very foundations of the faith.

Having said that, Christians of good will should not impute these extreme theories to the more moderate expressions of Calvinism or Arminianism. To say that every Arminian is an Open Theist or a Pelagian is slander. To suggest that Calvinists necessarily make God the author of sin—as if God Himself induced people to do evil—is to engage in distortion to the point of deception. Each position needs to be understood in its own terms and represented fairly.

Other points of argument, however, are of lesser significance. The definition of foreknowledge is important, but it is an issue over which Christians may charitably disagree. The same is the case with the position of faith and regeneration in the ordo salutis, the definition of election, and the role of common grace in restoring the moral ability to choose God. To be sure, these questions matter a great deal, but they are not the sort of questions over which Christian fellowship and cooperation must fracture. We should be able to discuss such things without raising tempers and voices.

Those discussions would be more fruitful if they began with a spirit of curiosity. A Calvinist ought to wonder how an Arminian can hold the system of faith together with putative integrity and consistency, and the Arminian ought to wonder the same thing about the Calvinist. Therefore, the first step in the discussion should not be to look for evidence that the other is wrong, but to discover those parts of the system that make it seem right. Even if we want to refute another position, the first step toward being able to do that is to learn to articulate it in a convincing way. If each of us would extend this courtesy to the other positions in the “electrum,” we might often change the character of the debate.

All Mortal Vanities, Begone
Isaac Watts (1674–1748)

All mortal vanities, begone,
Nor tempt my eyes, nor tire my ears;
Behold, amidst th’eternal throne,
A vision of the Lamb appears.

Glory His fleecy robe adorns,
Marked with the bloody death He bore;
Seven are His eyes, and seven His horns,
To speak His wisdom and His power.

Lo! He receives a sealèd book
From Him that sits upon the throne;
Jesus, my Lord, prevails to look
On dark decrees and things unknown.

All the assembling saints around
Fall worshipping before the Lamb,
And in new songs of gospel sound
Address their honors to His Name.

The joy, the shout, the harmony,
Flies o’er the everlasting hills
“Worthy art Thou alone,” they cry,
“To read the book, to loose the seals.”

Our voices join the heav’nly strain,
And with transporting pleasure sing,
“Worthy the Lamb that once was slain,
To be our Teacher and our King!”

His words of prophecy reveal
Eternal counsels, deep designs;
His grace and vengeance shall fulfill
The peaceful and the dreadful lines.

Thou hast redeemed our souls from hell
With Thine invaluable blood;
And wretches that did once rebel
Are now made favorites of their God.

Worthy forever is the Lord,
That died for treasons not His own,
By every tongue to be adored,
And dwell upon His Father’s throne!

Discussion

[Aaron Blumer] I’ve never really understood why a system is supposed to be a bad thing. Maybe somebody can help me with that one.

Seems to me that a really good tool for helping identify whether your ideas are correct is if they fit together well with other ideas you believe to be correct.

(Isn’t there an ancient fancy name for that? Something about internal consistency?)

Just kind of musing out loud… What’s the opposite of systematicness? Wouldn’t it be randomness?

I much prefer the Arminian system to randomness. I think almost any system is better than trying to take each text in isolation from a harmonized whole.
Philo was the one of the first to apply the Greek systematic scheme to Scripture. the Rabbis were not systematic in any sense like the Hellenics.

Norman Bentwick (Zionist) published books on Josephus and Philo early in the 20th Century which is now available free on the Project Gutenberg site. well written and insightful.

Give to the wise and they will be wiser. Instruct the righteous and they will increase their learning. Proverbs 9:9

[RPittman] Not necessarily! This is not good reading because one must assume that all who are drawn comes. It states only that one cannot come without the drawing. Read carefully and don’t make assumptions.


Thank you for the reminder not to make assumptions. Especially important with God’s holy word.

In John 6:44-45 Jesus claims that every person drawn by the Father will be resurrected to life.

Here’s the two parts of the verse:

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;”

AND

“I will raise him up on the last day.”

Just to make sure, I am assuming Jesus actually said this, and i assume He meant what He said, that He knows whereof He speaks, and uses words appropriate to convey His intended meaning. I do this becasue I am a Christian, and I trust what Jesus says.

So, to assume that they who come to Jesus in this life as a result of the Father’s drawing is not an assumption, but is the clear meaning of the text. I am not assuming that all who are drawn come – that is the only meaning of the text. They come all the way – to resurrection.

Now, if I as a reader of John 6:44 assume that those whom the Father draws do not come to faith in Jesus, I must assume that although Jesus resurrects such people (i.e., only those whom the Father draws) on the last day, such resurrection is disconnected from the Father’s drawing, even though Jesus connects the two things. But this is to pull apart the words of Jesus, whose words in John 6:44 specifically connect the two events. It is He who said “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; AND I will raise him up on the last day.”

The word “and” in verse 44 is most instructive. It is called a coordinating conjunction and quite often it is used by people of all languages and all times to connect two ideas, phrases, or thoughts together. In fact, I notice that you used it yourself. You wrote to me “Read carefully and don’t make assumptions”

Now, I read your words as language that combine together two phrases. I see two connected ideas here, not two disconnected ideas. One, the command to read carefully. Always a good thing to do with God’s word! Second, a reproof based on that command and connected to it: “don’t make assumptions.” Again, always important to do. I read that as you reproving me for not reading carefully. You see – your words are connected, and make good logical sense when taken that way.

Now, if I read your words here, but made an assumption that these two ideas are somehow disconnected, I wouldn’t be reading you correctly, would I? For example, if I read your words here and decided that when you say to me, “read carefully” what you mean is that someday, in the future, you want me the side of a cereal box carefully. And that when you say to me, “don’t make assumptions” you are referring to the way I like to watch TV shows and like to try to figure out how the plot will resolve itself before the show ends.

Now, I haven’t been very fair with your words, have I? In fact, I’ve become tedious to you. You might even assume I was not being fair to your words, and that I had ignored your use of the word “and.” And you would be right.

So too, you need to be fair to Jesus words in John 6:44. He uses the word “and” to connect two things – the Father’s drawing, and the future resurrection. When you say that this doesn’t prove that those drawn come, you aren’t reading His words as they written, especially the word “and.” By the use of this small word, He establishes that those who are drawn do come, and how far do they come? Why, all the way – to final resurrection. You see, the word “and” is important!

But you have assumed it does not have this meaning here, and worse, you have assumed that Jesus has not clearly taught that all those the Father draws come to Him, and that He raises Him. You have questioned Him and His meaning as indeterminate because you have not carefully read the text: especially the little word “and.” And all I’m asking you to do is to show Him the same respect you want from me when I read your words.

BTW, how is your son… AND… his wife?

FWIW, the AND in Jn 6.44 connects “no one can come to me” AND “I will raise him up”. The clause about ‘drawing’ is a subordinate clause to the ‘coming’.

Everyone who comes, Jesus will raise up.

No one who comes comes without being drawn.

The verse does not say whether all who are drawn will come. For that you will have to look elsewhere.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

[Don Johnson] FWIW, the AND in Jn 6.44 connects “no one can come to me” AND “I will raise him up”. The clause about ‘drawing’ is a subordinate clause to the ‘coming’.

Everyone who comes, Jesus will raise up.

No one who comes comes without being drawn.

The verse does not say whether all who are drawn will come. For that you will have to look elsewhere.

PS. oops, don’t know how I got two posts out of one… maybe a moderator can fix this.
Nah, don’t even go there.

The word “him” (greek - auton) is used by our Lord twice in order to show the closest of connections:

1) as the direct object of the verb “draw” - “unless the Father who sent Me draws him

AND

2) again as the the direct object of the verb “raise” - “I will raise him up on the last day”

It is the exact same “him” in both cases. The exact one drawn is the exact one raised.

Now, if the one drawn does not come, how then is he raised?

Your system has blinded you to reality. Not much more can be said. It is the verbal clauses that govern the sentence, not the pronoun. I’ll leave it at that.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Were I a betting a man, I would wager that nobody “exposing” hypercalvinism at that conference (and using “Calvinism” interchangeably with the term) will demonstrate an accurate understanding of either Calvinism or Hypercalvinism. I would love to be wrong about that. But I don’t think I am.

As for ridicule… I wonder which is worse, mocking an event that purports to “expose” what it does not understand or an event that purports to “expose” what it does not understand (thereby distorting what it claims to be exposing)?

(But for my part, I didn’t ridicule anyway… I just posted the ad. True, I expresses my doubts with the heading “To straighten us all out” or something like that. But is my negative opinion “ridicule”?)

About systems:
I don’t think in terms of opposites, but of emphasis. So I would offer in opposition to ‘systematicness’ ‘biblicism’ (this is partly to get Mike Riley’s goat!). But, seriously, I would suggest that what is called ‘biblical theology’ is superior to ‘systematic theology’ and should be understood as a check on the confidence we place on the human portions of systematic theology.
It remains true that the opposite of systematicness is randomness and the more we move away from one, we move toward the other. “Biblicist” is quite often a term people use to defend a cherry picking approach to theological principles.

If we believe the Bible is inerrant and that all revealed truth agrees with all other revealed truth, systematizing is both our duty and our blessing… and biblical theology is in no way “superior” to systematic. We cannot handle the Word well without both.

In our systematizing, do we arrive at conclusions by logic that are not revealed in the text. Yes, we do. I’m not sure how I feel about that. We employ logic whenever we read a sentence. I do think we need to hold the extrapolations of our systems with less confidence that we hold the biblical premises that support them.

But if a necessary inference is not authoritative, we might as well not read the Bible either… it’s the same process less formalized.

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No system is able to achieve 100% internal consistency regardless of the machinations.
So you think the Bible is not internally consistent?

[Andrew K.]
Now, if the one drawn does not come, how then is he raised?
Further, isn’t v44 parallel to v37, suggesting the “drawing” action of G-d be interpreted in light of the “giving” in v37? We wouldn’t say that all are “given” would we?
I realize there are other issues with respect to John 6. But we were talking about v. 44. Regardless of one’s system, you have to interpret the passage grammatically. Ted is just wrong in making the AND connect the pronouns. That’s not the way the sentence works.

For those who have Bibleworks, check Randy Leedy’s diagram of the verse. The conjunction coordinates the two main clauses: “No man can come to me” and “I will raise him at the last day”. The ‘exception’ modifies “No man can come to me”. That’s the way the sentence works. It doesn’t say whether there are some who are drawn who don’t come. It says those who come are drawn. There is a big difference between the two ideas.

All I am arguing for here is to letting the Bible speak as it was intended to speak.

@Larry:
[Larry] So you think the Bible is not internally consistent?
The Bible isn’t a system. It doesn’t present itself systematically.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

The Bible isn’t a system. It doesn’t present itself systematically.
The Bible is the revelation of God’s truth, which is a system. Therefore, the Bible has no contradictions because God has no contradictions. It is incorrect to say that there are no systems that are 100% correct. God’s is.

Roland would be more accurate to say that our understanding of a system is always liable to flaws due to our own limitations and the noetic effects of sin.

I think I have to admit at this point that posting the “Exposing Hyper Calv” conference ad probably didn’t help the conversation. I don’t apologize for my opinion of the event, but I regret posting in this particular thread, which was mostly pretty thoughtful (if not “exciting”) up to that point.
[RP] Wrongdoing is never justified by comparison, which this type of specious questioning tends to promote. One can always find another worse than himself but all are guilty in God’s sight. Wrong is wrong…
Sarcasm very tempting here. (Perhaps I should put “of course I believe wrong is wrong” in all caps and bold?) I’ll resist…. My point in asking “which is worse” was not to teach that a wrong makes a right. Rather, the point was to reveal that the ridicule charge is pretty thin. I.e., if we suppose for the sake of argument that posting the ad and questioning the event’s value is ridicule, which is worse, ridiculing an event or misrepresenting a doctrine?

(But FWIW, I don’t believe that a) ridicule is always wrong, or b) that it’s wrong to point out the ridiculous quality that already exists in something.)

But let’s not lose site of the value of Kevin’s post. He makes a strong case for distinguishing “hyper Calv” from “regular Calv” and the difference is important. But the central idea is whether the nature of foreknowledge is the key… and maybe Caleb is right that it’s really the nature of the will that is key. Though I think the two end up being almost the east and west sides of the same key.

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[Don Johnson] If the Bible were a system, we wouldn’t need systematic theologies.
That’s an interesting idea. But there are some problems.

First, “internal consistency” doesn’t require a system. It’s just the idea that everything an entity asserts is consistent with everything else. So an inerrant Bible has to be internally consistent.

But secondly, I think there’s a difference between a system existing and a system being apparent. Since we all accept—I assume—that God is orderly and nothing about Him is random, there must be a system. Our efforts at systematizing truth are really just a way to make the system that is there simpler and more clear to minds like ours.

Mathematicians used to talk about “chaos theory,” but then many of them (most?) decided to start calling it “complexity theory,” because they discovered that what seemed chaotic was actually orderly in a far more complex way than they realized. Try to analyze what happens to the surface of water when you drop a pebble in it, for example.

So I’d suggest that good systematic theology is about simplifying the system that exists in God’s revelation, not creating a system that isn’t there.

So, whether we agree with the Arminian system or the Calvinist system or some hybrid, the idea of “system” is a good thing.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

I think we are getting into a side-track here. I don’t think anyone commenting here would say the Bible is inconsistent or that God’s truth is inconsistent. But God didn’t present his truth in a systematic way. And, I suspect, he didn’t present ALL truth.

Back in #63, you said:
[Aaron Blumer] If we believe the Bible is inerrant and that all revealed truth agrees with all other revealed truth, systematizing is both our duty and our blessing… and biblical theology is in no way “superior” to systematic. We cannot handle the Word well without both.
I’m not convinced that systematizing is our duty. It is what we do, but whether it is a duty or not, I’m not sure. Warfield would say that systematic theology is the queen of the sciences, superior to other forms of theology - and all other sciences (if I remember him right). But I disagree. There are truths that the Bible presents in tension. Systematic theologies compete in how they resolve the tension, and in that competition betray their weakness. They can’t know for certain that their resolution is correct. Hence my notion that Biblical theology is superior. It stops where the Scripture stops.

However… as I think about it… there are competing viewpoints in Biblical theology also, so my assertion may be somewhat overstated.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

[Aaron Blumer] So I’d suggest that good systematic theology is about simplifying the system that exists in God’s revelation, not creating a system that isn’t there.

So, whether we agree with the Arminian system or the Calvinist system or some hybrid, the idea of “system” is a good thing.
Well said!

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Just in case that I haven’t made it clear, OF COURSE THE BIBLE IS INTERNALLY CONSISTENT!

The problem is that our comprehension, understanding, and interpretations may not be.
As you have done here, I think you would be better off just saying “I was a bit imprecise in my original statement and I need to clarify.” IMO, going hard after me and insinuating some tactics to me simply for asking a question is not a good way to go about it, particularly when you end up agreeing me with in the end.