The Electrum
Those who are beginning to study the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism tend to entertain two related but mistaken assumptions. The first is that the debate involves only two primary positions. The second is that the more extremely one implements either position, the more distant one must be from the other position. The first of these assumptions is simply untrue. The second is true, but only to a point.
Like visible light, positions in the debate between Calvinism and Arminianism form a continuous spectrum. Every Christian who has an opinion on the issues can be located somewhere along that spectrum. The issues that define the positions, however, are not necessarily those that one might expect.
Participants in this debate will be found arguing about divine sovereignty versus human freedom, about the ordo salutis, about the extent of human depravity, about the role of prevenient grace, and about whether election is unconditional, conditional, or corporate. To be sure, all of these questions are important, but they eventually lead to one critical problem. That problem is the definition of divine foreknowledge.
Divine foreknowledge is the hinge upon which all the other debates turn. One’s definition of foreknowledge will determine whether one ends on the Arminian or Calvinistic side of the debate—and everyone who expresses an opinion is on one side or the other.
Arminians see God’s foreknowledge as His foresight. God looks ahead through the corridors of time and sees what free people will choose. For Arminians, divine foreknowledge is essentially reactive.
For their part, Calvinists see God’s foreknowledge as causative. God’s foreknowledge does not passively observe the future, but rather shapes it. God’s foreknowledge makes things happen. According to Calvinists, foreknowledge is not so much God’s foresight as it is His forethought.
Once a definition has been chosen, the other pieces of the puzzle fall into place almost unavoidably. If God’s foreknowledge is causative, then election must be unconditional. If election is unconditional, then divine calling has to be efficacious. That being so, prevenient grace cannot have reversed the volitional effects of depravity. In other words, most of the Calvinistic system follows with logical certainty from a particular definition of foreknowledge. The exception is the negative side of particular redemption—i.e., the denial that Christ provided redemption for the non-elect.
By the same token, most of the system of Arminianism necessarily flows from viewing God’s foreknowledge as foresight. The exception here is the denial of eternal security. Just as some Calvinists affirm a universal provision of redemption, some Arminians affirm eternal security.
This observation implies that shades and gradations exist on both sides of the dividing line. Strict Calvinists affirm limited atonement, while moderate Calvinists do not. Strict Arminians deny eternal security, while moderate Arminians affirm it.
In other words, the debate involves not two, but at least four positions. These are strict Arminianism, moderate Arminianism, moderate Calvinism, and strict Calvinism. Beyond these four, other positions stretch out both sides of the spectrum.
Much ink has been spilled over the phenomenon of hyper-Calvinism. Unfortunately, this term is generally used as a bare pejorative. The abuse of the term, however, should not be allowed to obscure the fact that a genuinely hyper-Calvinistic position does exist, though its adherents sometimes prefer to call it “High Calvinism.”
What are the characteristics of a hyper-Calvinist? Four particularly bear mentioning. These include the denial of common grace, the adoption of a supralapsarian order of the decrees, the acceptance of a doctrine of reprobation or double-predestination, and a refusal to make a free offer of the gospel. More extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism might also teach the doctrine of eternal justification or a form of antinomianism. To the extent that a person holds these four beliefs, that person is going beyond traditional Calvinism as defined at Dort, and that is what makes the position hyper-Calvinistic.
A corresponding position exists on the Arminian side of the spectrum. This position does not really have a label, but for sake of designation it could be called hyper-Arminianism. How does this position differ from historic Arminianism?
Traditionally, Arminianism and Calvinism take similar views of depraved human nature. This similarity is evident in Article Three of the original Arminian Articles, which affirms,
That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the energy of his free will, inasmuch as he, in the state of apostasy and sin, can of and by himself neither think, will, nor do any thing that is truly good (such as saving Faith eminently is); but that it is needful that he be born again of God in Christ, through his Holy Spirit, and renewed in understanding, inclination, or will, and all his powers, in order that he may rightly understand, think, will, and effect what is truly good, according to the Word of Christ, John 15:5, “Without me ye can do nothing.”
Theological students who encounter this statement for the first time often mistake it for a Calvinistic affirmation. It is not. For both traditional Calvinists and traditional Arminians, the will has been so affected by the fall that humans, left to themselves, are utterly incapable of any positive response toward God (in other words, they have lost the moral ability to believe). The difference between Calvinists and Arminians consists in how they solve this problem. According to Arminians, God restores some element of moral ability to all humans as an aspect of prevenient grace. Calvinists believe that God restores full moral ability, but only to the elect as part of saving grace.
This original disabling of the will is what hyper-Arminians deny. In their mind, every human being already has complete freedom of will in every sense, and is always and fully able to choose God at any time. Effectively, hyper-Arminianism denies that depravity has affected the human will. (This position is sometimes mistaken for Pelagianism, but Pelagian theology also denies the imputation of original sin.)
In today’s debates, hyper-Arminians often prefer to call themselves Biblicists. They usually insist that they are neither Calvinists nor Arminians. In one sense, they are right: their position is much more extreme than historic, traditional Arminianism. Nevertheless, their definition of foreknowledge places them firmly on the Arminian side of the spectrum.
So does their insistence upon a libertarian definition of freedom. By this definition, the will is not free unless one might actually make the contrary choice. For Calvinists, however, freedom consists in the ability to do what one chooses without constraint or restraint. Most Calvinists have believed that the will can be shaped and even determined in a number of ways without damaging genuine freedom. The debate between libertarianism and compatibilism corresponds closely to the divide between Arminianism and Calvinism.
This debate also propels some Arminians into an even more extreme position. They reason that if God knows our choices in advance, then we necessarily will make the choices that He foresees. If we will necessarily make a particular choice, however, then it is not really possible to make the contrary choice. In other words, even with a “soft” definition of divine foreknowledge as foresight, libertarian freedom becomes impossible.
The logic of this position is really air-tight, and it results in a pretty abysmal choice. One can affirm foreknowledge and remain biblical, but sacrifice reason. Or one can deny foreknowledge and remain logical, but be forced to reinterpret Scripture in radical ways. Those who deny foreknowledge are known as Free Will Theists or Open Theists. For the most part, Open Theists insist that their theology is simply the logical extension of the core ideas of Arminianism.
Opposite to Open Theism is a position that denies any form of human freedom and subjects every event and decision to “hard” determinism. In extreme versions of hyper-Calvinism, this position makes God so much the author of sin that humans bear little or no actual responsibility for their acts. All Arminians and most Calvinists are horrified by these ideas, just as all Calvinists and most Arminians are horrified by Open Theism.
At this point in the spectrum, an odd thing happens. On one end of the spectrum, hard determinism turns into fatalism (choice is merely an illusion, but people are really ruled by fate). On the other end of the spectrum, freedom becomes so loose as to become virtually random, and therefore essentially a matter of chance, luck, or fortune. But fate and luck are simply different names for the same thing. In other words, the two ends of the spectrum meet. Someone who goes far enough in either direction will end up in exactly the same place.
In the present essay, I am not trying to argue for one direction or the other. Nevertheless, I would like to draw out certain lessons. First, understood in these terms, all Christians who express an opinion end up in some version of Calvinism or Arminianism. Second, more than two positions are possible. Both Arminianism and Calvinism have moderate and extreme versions. Third, it is not proper to critique any position by pointing to its extreme expressions, for the most extreme expressions of both directions are identical to each other. Fourth, there is no one distinctively “Biblicist” position. People from extreme hyper-Calvinists to hyper-Arminians (and perhaps many Open Theists) believe that they are deriving their conclusions from the text of Scripture—and invariably the advocates of one view think that the advocates of all the others are overly influenced by extra-biblical considerations.
Nevertheless, some positions are more biblical than others, and that leads to a final observation. The issues that come into play in the “electrum” are of different kinds. Some of them are serious enough to affect fundamentals of the faith. Any position that makes God the efficient cause of sin is blasphemous. Likewise, any theory that denies exhaustively definite foreknowledge constitutes an implicit denial of the gospel. Furthermore, any theory that makes ultimate salvation dependent upon human work or merit damages the very foundations of the faith.
Having said that, Christians of good will should not impute these extreme theories to the more moderate expressions of Calvinism or Arminianism. To say that every Arminian is an Open Theist or a Pelagian is slander. To suggest that Calvinists necessarily make God the author of sin—as if God Himself induced people to do evil—is to engage in distortion to the point of deception. Each position needs to be understood in its own terms and represented fairly.
Other points of argument, however, are of lesser significance. The definition of foreknowledge is important, but it is an issue over which Christians may charitably disagree. The same is the case with the position of faith and regeneration in the ordo salutis, the definition of election, and the role of common grace in restoring the moral ability to choose God. To be sure, these questions matter a great deal, but they are not the sort of questions over which Christian fellowship and cooperation must fracture. We should be able to discuss such things without raising tempers and voices.
Those discussions would be more fruitful if they began with a spirit of curiosity. A Calvinist ought to wonder how an Arminian can hold the system of faith together with putative integrity and consistency, and the Arminian ought to wonder the same thing about the Calvinist. Therefore, the first step in the discussion should not be to look for evidence that the other is wrong, but to discover those parts of the system that make it seem right. Even if we want to refute another position, the first step toward being able to do that is to learn to articulate it in a convincing way. If each of us would extend this courtesy to the other positions in the “electrum,” we might often change the character of the debate.
All Mortal Vanities, Begone
Isaac Watts (1674–1748)
All mortal vanities, begone,
Nor tempt my eyes, nor tire my ears;
Behold, amidst th’eternal throne,
A vision of the Lamb appears.
Glory His fleecy robe adorns,
Marked with the bloody death He bore;
Seven are His eyes, and seven His horns,
To speak His wisdom and His power.
Lo! He receives a sealèd book
From Him that sits upon the throne;
Jesus, my Lord, prevails to look
On dark decrees and things unknown.
All the assembling saints around
Fall worshipping before the Lamb,
And in new songs of gospel sound
Address their honors to His Name.
The joy, the shout, the harmony,
Flies o’er the everlasting hills
“Worthy art Thou alone,” they cry,
“To read the book, to loose the seals.”
Our voices join the heav’nly strain,
And with transporting pleasure sing,
“Worthy the Lamb that once was slain,
To be our Teacher and our King!”
His words of prophecy reveal
Eternal counsels, deep designs;
His grace and vengeance shall fulfill
The peaceful and the dreadful lines.
Thou hast redeemed our souls from hell
With Thine invaluable blood;
And wretches that did once rebel
Are now made favorites of their God.
Worthy forever is the Lord,
That died for treasons not His own,
By every tongue to be adored,
And dwell upon His Father’s throne!
Kevin T. Bauder Bio
This essay is by Dr. Kevin T. Bauder, who serves as Research Professor of Systematic Theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Plymouth, MN). Not every professor, student, or alumnus of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
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Geisler answers “self”
Compatibilist answers “highest motive”
Libertarian answers “nothing”
This would place Geisler on the determinist side with respect to the question about the will.
Now, if the question goes further, as to ultimate causality, then Geisler appears to become an indeterminist.
just had to add that correction/clarification, because I shifted questions in my own mind in the prior post.
Roland has grasped many of the deficiencies quite well on this one.
[RPittman] Caleb, I’m making the big assumption that you wrote this post to straighten me out. You’ve made a big assumption that my data was exclusively from Greg’s post. How do you know? I have no interest in continuing the conversation. Thank you.You are right in that you may have interacted with him at a prior time online. Perhaps, he is a student of yours. Maybe he is a friend from church. A whole host of possibilities comes up. I did make an assumption that that post was all the data available to you, and I may very well be quite wrong. However, my basic point is still the same, since I have watched your interaction with others over the KJV only issue (several times). So, just as my comments go further than this thread, so yours may go further as well. I admit that my assumption may be wrong.
I’m editing this to add the following thoughts. I appreciate much of your interaction in this thread, and as others have pointed out, you have some very good points. I also appreciate your desire to get back to Scripture. This is great!
Even my own categories of “determinism”/”indeterminism” have trouble in that systems are not fully consistent at times. Sometimes, both are held, yet at different times.
I appreciate your coming to my defense here, although I realize that it was not a personal issue, as I do not know you, nor do I know RPittman. You are correct that he has responded on the basis of assumptions, rather than dealing with the texts I cited. His assumptions may be correct, although it’s a bit difficult to tell, since they are only referred to in brief and somewhat veiled references, such as “bought the store.” I assume he means that he believes I am a Calvinist. If so, he is correct. However, his tone is not conducive to productive discussion. Apparently he thinks that only he is influenced by Scripture alone, and all who have differing opinions are influenced by systems. How blind to believe that he has not been influenced by any system. I am concerned by your remark that indicates he is a teacher. I fear for the students of such a teacher.
Thankfully, the level of discussion on SI is usually more respectful than this. Having now made very personal comments, in response to previous personal comments, I would hope that we can return to a more professional level, and keep SI discussions centered on Biblical issues, not personal remarks. I really enjoy the good discussions on SI. It keeps me thinking.
In the bonds of Christ,
Greg Barkman
G. N. Barkman
[CalebS] I hope that answered the question; I may have erred more on the side of overstating the case, but I didn’t want to be charged with omitting a potential third category.Very helpful. I do think that the 2 categories of “determined” or “not determined” are inescapable.
And I like what you characterized as Edward’s view that will is determined by the self and it’s character. I don’t envy the libertarians! There are difficulties ultimately with all the explanations but I wouldn’t want the libertarian’s set of difficulties.
At some point, we all end up either reasoning inconsistently or shrugging and saying “Here begins a fog I cannot penetrate.” I think owning up to the fog is more honest than marching into it and denying it’s there.
For me the impenetrable fog begins somewhere around here:
Character/desires/nature determines will.
God determines character/desires/nature.
The nature of the being must have a cause. Only God could be that cause. But He is not the author of evil. How? A partial answer lies perhaps in the nature of the first humans, Adam and Eve (we know where the sinful character comes from for the rest of us after that).
A & E have no sin nature. What is the state of their will when tempted? How is it that they come to desire evil?
At this point I’m well into the fog and just sort of back out and decide to let it be. :D
I know Edwards and others have gone far deeper and claimed to see things pretty clearly. And maybe they did. Maybe one of these days I’ll venture in deeper with them and see if the fog thins any.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
[G. N. Barkman] Caleb,Regarding my comment on him being a teacher: I was in speculation mode. I was considering hypothetical possibilities. I have no idea if he is a teacher or not… just wanted to make it clear that I was speculating there.
I appreciate your coming to my defense here, although I realize that it was not a personal issue, as I do not know you, nor do I know RPittman. You are correct that he has responded on the basis of assumptions, rather than dealing with the texts I cited. His assumptions may be correct, although it’s a bit difficult to tell, since they are only referred to in brief and somewhat veiled references, such as “bought the store.” I assume he means that he believes I am a Calvinist. If so, he is correct. However, his tone is not conducive to productive discussion. Apparently he thinks that only he is influenced by Scripture alone, and all who have differing opinions are influenced by systems. How blind to believe that he has not been influenced by any system. I am concerned by your remark that indicates he is a teacher. I fear for the students of such a teacher.
Thankfully, the level of discussion on SI is usually more respectful than this. Having now made very personal comments, in response to previous personal comments, I would hope that we can return to a more professional level, and keep SI discussions centered on Biblical issues, not personal remarks. I really enjoy the good discussions on SI. It keeps me thinking.
In the bonds of Christ,
Greg Barkman
No one ever asserted that it did, but it is a beginning.
[RPittman] “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” (John 6:44,65)Hey Roland, we know by just being good readers of the Bible. You see, Jesus claims in John 6:44 that every person drawn by the Father will be raised up by Himself on the last day. That is the resurrection to life (John 6:39-40), and it excludes those who reject the Son (John 6:53-54).
Well, what does this mean? Obviously, one cannot come to Christ without the drawing of the Father. Does God not draw every man? How do we know?
So the only way someone could take Jesus words in John 6:44 to mean that the Father draws everyone is to likewise claim that Jesus also resurrects everyone to life… as in universalism. But then they are being bad readers of the Bible.
So like you say, it isn’t a matter of buying into a system, but just being a good reader of the Bible who pays attention to the details. That’s how you know.
Trust all is well with your adopted missionary son in Australia?
Seems to me that a really good tool for helping identify whether your ideas are correct is if they fit together well with other ideas you believe to be correct.
(Isn’t there an ancient fancy name for that? Something about internal consistency?)
Just kind of musing out loud… What’s the opposite of systematicness? Wouldn’t it be randomness?
I much prefer the Arminian system to randomness. I think almost any system is better than trying to take each text in isolation from a harmonized whole.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
1. A position held does not bind that person to the logical or reasonable conclusion of said position.
2. Agree that positions are entirely limited by a persons understanding of scripture and therefore must be birthed from Scripture and contained by Scripture. (Although reason and logical are useful tools they can not be equal to or have authority over Scripture.)
3. Character assassination or emotional appeals that are used to defend a theological position are entirely out-of-bounds.
Tim Lyzenga
[Aaron Blumer] http://sharperiron.org/sites/default/files/images/10_02/GEDC0478.JPGJust the title alone — “Hyper-CALVINISM EXPOSED” — would be enough for me to give this a wide berth, and I’m not in any way a Calvinist. And that’s before I even saw the attempt to conflate hyper-Calvinism and Calvinism right on the flyer. If this is representative of fundamentalism, it’s no wonder so many want out…
Dave Barnhart
[Aaron Blumer] I’ve never really understood why a system is supposed to be a bad thing. Maybe somebody can help me with that one.Every theological system I have studied has a weakness in that it asserts logically something that is not revealed. As such, no system can claim the high ground of ‘thus saith the Lord’.
Seems to me that a really good tool for helping identify whether your ideas are correct is if they fit together well with other ideas you believe to be correct.
The system may in fact be correct, but it isn’t the same as Scripture.
The value of a system is as an aid to understanding the Scriptures. I think it is fine to have a system, and everyone has one. But problems arise when ‘the system has you’. When the system has you, you start making disciples of the system and not of Christ.
[Aaron Blumer] What’s the opposite of systematicness? Wouldn’t it be randomness?I don’t think in terms of opposites, but of emphasis. So I would offer in opposition to ‘systematicness’ ‘biblicism’ (this is partly to get Mike Riley’s goat!). But, seriously, I would suggest that what is called ‘biblical theology’ is superior to ‘systematic theology’ and should be understood as a check on the confidence we place on the human portions of systematic theology.
I much prefer the Arminian system to randomness. I think almost any system is better than trying to take each text in isolation from a harmonized whole.
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
[RPittman]I wholeheartedly agree! I am a Fundamentalist under the age of 30. This is one issue in our circle that does drive young ones like me crazy. If by chance Calvin believed in the damning of babies who are not elect, how is the relevant to the discussion of a theological issue?[dcbii]One of the warts of Fundamentalism is that some Fundamentalists ridicule with scorn anyone who is different from them. It’s not a refutation of doctrine or even a heated debate of points but it is a scorning and vilifying of the other-than-us. And this type of behavior has been roundly condemned on SI. Yet, isn’t this exactly what we are doing here? There’s no substance, no refutation, no argumentation, no pointing out the wrong thinking, no defending of principles—it’s just disdain and ridicule. I don’t like it. It’s the insinuation: “If this is representative of fundamentalism, it’s no wonder so many want out…” IMHO, such behavior is rather like the children of alcoholics who become what they despised.[Aaron Blumer] http://sharperiron.org/sites/default/files/images/10_02/GEDC0478.JPGJust the title alone — “Hyper-CALVINISM EXPOSED” — would be enough for me to give this a wide berth, and I’m not in any way a Calvinist. And that’s before I even saw the attempt to conflate hyper-Calvinism and Calvinism right on the flyer. If this is representative of fundamentalism, it’s no wonder so many want out…
i.e - The lose of my baby daughter this last July does NOT give me a basis for which to believe or not believe that she is in heaven. Neither does Calvin’s position on the issue, or even my own Pastor’s. My belief (and full confidence) that she IS, is based on my understanding of scripture.
Lets leave the conversation there, understanding scripture.
Tim Lyzenga
[RPittman] One of the warts of Fundamentalism is that some Fundamentalists ridicule with scorn anyone who is different from them. It’s not a refutation of doctrine or even a heated debate of points but it is a scorning and vilifying of the other-than-us. And this type of behavior has been roundly condemned on SI. Yet, isn’t this exactly what we are doing here? There’s no substance, no refutation, no argumentation, no pointing out the wrong thinking, no defending of principles—it’s just disdain and ridicule. I don’t like it. It’s the insinuation: “If this is representative of fundamentalism, it’s no wonder so many want out…” IMHO, such behavior is rather like the children of alcoholics who become what they despised.Actually, I think you are partly right — what I said was ridicule — to an extent, especially of the tabloid nature of the conference title. However, you should note I did point out a real flaw in what was presented — declaring that there are problems with hyper-Calvinism, but then moving on in the next paragraph to use just plain old Calvinism in the same way, thereby intentionally misleading the reader into thinking they are the same. I think it is ridiculous that the people holding this event think that this is completely valid, and even worse, that people will be taken in by it.
I sincerely hope this type of thing isn’t a defining characteristic of fundamentalism in general — I know it doesn’t describe all fundamentalists I’ve served with and under, which is why I still claim the idea, if not the movement. Still, I’ve seen similar things in the “fundamental scandal sheet” publications, and I wonder how widespread it is, since my experience with different segments of fundamentalism, even though not all in the independent Baptist orbit, is still very limited.
However, that’s why I made the statement, and why I believe it stands. “If this is representative of fundamentalism, it’s no wonder so many want out…” If the type of invalid and even misleading argumentation used in the flyer represented the majority of what I saw in fundamentalism, I’d want out too.
Dave Barnhart
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