Question on Romans 8:17b

Jim

Text: “… if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.” (Romans 8:17)

Greek: “ει δε τεκνα και κληρονομοι κληρονομοι μεν θεου συγκληρονομοι δε χριστου ειπερ συμπασχομεν ινα και συνδοξασθωμεν”

My question is about this phrase, “if indeed we suffer with Him” … “ειπερ συμπασχομεν” and specifically with this conjuction, “ειπερ”

Discussion

Relationship or Religion

Gabe Franklin
It seems that, as of late, I have come heard a lot of people stressing that Christianity is a relationship and not a religion. I understand what they are saying, but I feel that, in an effort to criticize “dead religion” they have gone to far.

I believe that it is important to stress that Christianity is a religion. Fundamentalism was based on doctrine, and religion is about doctrine. When people stress that Christianity is not a religion, I believe that it opens people up to being swayed by the postmodern teachings of the emergent church which de-emphasizes doctrine.

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God's Word/attribute of timeliness

Mark Henninger
How much of the time does God’s Word deny God’s attributes?

Wiping out heathen nations in OT times, God may have seemed not to have the attribute of love. Was God’s attribute of love then or ever denied by Scripture? Are any of God’s attributes ever denied by an accurate Bible?

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Exodus 32:32-33

stridge
What do most of you think the “book” in these verses means?

Is it The Lamb’s Book Of Life or a list of people that once favored God but had gone away from Him ,and now face earthly death? .

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What commission ?

Marty H
I was reading in a thread and saw where Jim had made the following post -

◦Each believer will give an account for his faithfulness and obedience in all things (the Great Commission included!).

Its easy enough to understand that not many of you see things quite like I do. And thats fine. But I don’t see things as I do just to have something to disagree on. I see what I see because with my limited understanding, Thats what I see the Bible saying.

Mat 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

Discussion

A Call for Pastor Theologians

ssutter
I want to draw attention to one of Sweeney’s theses in particular (see the previous post): #5, namely, that “theology can and should be done primarily in the church, by pastors, for the sake of the people of God” (p. 199). Sweeney writes:

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Eating Christ, Part 2

Kevin T. Bauder

NickOfTime

Read Part 1.

The Bread of Life

In the confrontation of John 6, the crowd attempted to manipulate Jesus into becoming the provider for their material needs. In return, Jesus encouraged them to attend to their spiritual needs, implying that He was the Messiah who could meet those needs. Faced with this claim, the crowd demanded a sign. Alluding to the nature of the sign that they wanted, they said, “Our fathers ate manna in the wilderness—he gave them bread out of heaven.” Jesus knew that they were looking for another free meal, so He replied that Moses didn’t give them the real bread. He could offer better bread, bread that comes down out of heaven, bread that gives life to the world. The crowd took the bait, exclaiming, “Evermore give us this bread!”

That was exactly the reaction that Jesus had anticipated, and His reply went straight to the heart of the matter. “I am the bread of life,” He declared. “The one who comes to me will never hunger, and the one who believes on me will never thirst.” That was certainly not the kind of bread for which the crowd was angling.

Jesus had already used the metaphor of eating. He acknowledged that there is a temporal food for the nourishment of the body, but He pointed out that food for the soul is more important. The spiritual food is received by believing on the one whom God sent. In Jesus’ metaphor, eating stands for believing. Bread stands for Him, and He is to be received or “eaten” by believing His claims and trusting Him.

When Jesus presented Himself as the “bread of life,” He was strengthening this analogy. His emphasis was clearly on inner reception of His person and claims: anyone who comes to Him will never hunger, and anyone who believes on Him will never thirst. In the metaphor, to eat is to believe.

Discussion

Is Preaching Mandatory?

Dan Miller
Do you believe that Scripture demands that the church have regular times in which one man (the pastor) stands before the assembly and preaches the Word without interruption or discussion?

“demands” = This is not just a practical matter or a matter of wisdom; Scripture commands it.

“preach” = Say what the Word of God says.

“without int. or disc.” = This cannot be done with a group study type format. A church that tried that, even if they maintain orthodoxy through a pleurality of elders is disobedient.

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