"Horrific mass shootings aren’t the only sign that the world is pining under the effects of sin and darkness."

[Huw]

Yes I do apply trust to every area of my life and can call it life, not existence. ”The just shall live by trust”. You must possess it, before you can exercise it.

As for your medical query I have be advised to take life prolonging drugs, but have refused.

The reason I have called the hypothetical questions silly is they are not based on fact. They are the wicked imaginations of some ones mind and are based on the premise that my heavenly Father wises me harm, He doesn’t. If you think that the Almighty wises you and your family harm and live in abject fear I suggest you cast aside your proclamation of trust in him.

Among your numerous egregious errors is your continued effort to create an either/or dichotomy that doesn’t exist in reality. I own guns. I would take a life if necessary. I do not live in abject fear. Fear is not the only motivation for possessing firearms with a will to use them in self defense. You refuse to interact with any scripture other than your personal, twisted proof-texts. You sir have every appearance of a false teacher and a wolf in the sheepfold. Your ridiculous and corrupt handling of scripture in this conversation have reminded me again that not all who cry LORD, LORD actually know Christ (contrary to their protestations) nor are they welcomed by the Master but ordered away. I sincerely hope this is not true of you, but I rest confident with the Lord’s disposition of the situation.

Bless you.

[Huw] Bless you.

I am blessed in and by your accusations.

[Huw]

I am blessed in and by your accusations.

If you look at post 93, you’ll see I was referring to the police and the military, those who today carry the Romans 13:4 sword. I was not referring civilians

[Huw]

You started your statement with’’ in the US’’. (Post 93) This provoked me to consider what manner of influence living in the US could have on a man that he would be driven to arm himself to take the life of his neighbor when the act flies in the face of what the scripture says we must do.

Historically the US has glamorized and glorified firstly gunslingers. Notorious outlaws had illustrated books or small magazines published about them and the outlaws became legends.
Later we had movies and the same thing began to happen. Same with TV, videos and DVDs. Computer games also glamorize and desensitize lawlessness, murder and mayhem. In the midst of all this we have people who are influenced by these media.

Bearing in mind we are talking about spiritual influences and certainly not the Spirit of Peace. It seems reasonable to affirm that people prefer darkness to light and so the verse, ‘by their fruit ye shall know them’, springs to mind.

Add the spirit of violence found in ice hockey and football and educated into the population that thrive on violence and you have the ingredients for a lawless society filled with violence. ‘’And Elohim said to Noach, The end of all flesh is come at my face; for the earth is filled with violence’’.

Scripture gives us recourse to question people and discover whether they are true or false brethren. The level of violence a person enjoys or approves of is a measure of his lack of mercy, grace or peace.

We either, walk and talk with the world, or we are holy (set apart) we can’t be both. The world loves weapons, loves talking about weapons, loves using weapons and trusts weapons to provide security and safety the world have made the gun an idol.

It seems to me that it is absurd to argue against guns, but defend the right to be an American when this country was founded by resisting England WITH GUNS. If it is wrong now, then it would have been wrong then in defending ourselves from the British and hence the US would have never gotten off it’s feet.

The laws of this country permit gun ownership so no gun owner is in violation of Romans 13. Owning a gun does not imply that a citizen is looking forward to shooting someone or has a lust for violence. This country had in mind the people having the ability to police themselves when gun laws were permitted, not only did they permit a well regulated militia (federal) but a police force ran by citizens (local). This is the only country on earth that permits a “citizens arrest” which in turn allows a local citizen to act as agent of the state in enforcing the law, and since that is a matter of law, it permits the local citizen that owns a gun to “bear the sword” (Rom 13:4) on behalf of its government. It was more than just an issue of self-defense. The issue of gun laws was designed to be a checks and balance system against tyranny of a centralized government takeover where the law allows the citizen to act as a legal military force against a government that acts against the constitution in an effort to subdue its people by force against its own laws.

And citing early church members that did not fight back is not evidence that guns are prohibited by Scripture. There were Christians who CHOSE not to fight back because they welcomed the martyr label. There were many Christians that did fight against Rome when Nero and Titus attacked Jerusalem and other surrounding Judean cities. Cleary Jesus did not tell His followers to go and buy a sword because He intended on them to harvest grapes while evangelizing.

And how many of those who are Christians against gun control lock their home and car doors at night? If we are to live by faith and trust God for protection instead of owning guns, then is it not a lack of faith to lock your doors at night? or at all? Owning a gun does not mean the Christian is trusting in that gun for his sole safety. When David slung a bullet at Goliath’s head, he was still trusting that God would give the victory to Israel which he made clear before the fight even began.

If a person comes in my house and demands to know where my wife and kids are so he can murder and rape them in front of me, I am going to use my right as a gun owner as a tool of evangelism, because I will ask if he knows for sure if he dies today whether or not he would go to heaven because he’s about to find out in 10 seconds.

And on a side note, I don’t normally make it a habit to critique someone’s grammar or spelling, but in a case like Huw’s where one claims to be in the legal profession I have to call hogwash. I have been a paralegal for 15 years, and there are tell-tale signs in a legal assistant’s manner of writing that indicates they work within some sort of legal system. Grammar and spelling are a small part of that, but logical arguments, and coherent flows of thought are among those traits and being able to revolve arguments around an evidentiary point, none of which I see as characteristics of Huw’s writings.

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Jim wrote: I know handgun rules vary by country (and in the United States even by State). In the US State of Minnesota, it is legal to own a handgun if one is not mentally ill and not a felon.

It is illegal for a felon to own a firearm of any kind in any state, that’s a federal law 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) et seq . Not sure if you knew that.

Jim wrote: Where I live there is a process in place to legally purchase a handgun.

Under federal law, there is a mandatory 7 day waiting period to clear the purchase of a gun after mandatory background checks are done. Also, one must have what is called a “FOID” (kind of like a drivers license for a gun) card which itself normally takes about 30 days to get which one must have prior to buying a gun. So altogether the process to own a gun takes at least a minimum of 37 days, but the ATF has been short on staff for process of these documents so the wait has been much longer than normal.

Quote:”If a person comes in my house and demands to know where my wife and kids are so he can murder and rape them in front of me, I am going to use my right as a gun owner as a tool of evangelism, because I will ask if he knows for sure if he dies today whether or not he would go to heaven because he’s about to find out in 10 seconds.”End quote.

The Eternal Almighty is the first cause of all things that come to pass. This being the case, why do you think he wants to destroy you and your family and do so in such a violent way?

I believe that weapons of war and destruction are to be in the hands of those that serve in the ”armed” forces. Not in the hands and homes of civilians with a mind set such as yours.

[Huw]

The Eternal Almighty is the first cause of all things that come to pass. This being the case, why do you think he wants to destroy you and your family and do so in such a violent way?

I believe that weapons of war and destruction are to be in the hands of those that serve in the ”armed” forces. Not in the hands and homes of civilians with a mind set such as yours.

…and be not drunk with wine wherein is excess…Eph 5:18

I asked, ”This being the case, why do you think he wants to destroy you and your family and do so in such a violent way?”

And you said, and be not drunk with wine….

Are you saying that you have these fantasies of you family coming to a violent end while you are drunk?

[Huw]

I asked, ”This being the case, why do you think he wants to destroy you and your family and do so in such a violent way?”

And you said, and be not drunk with wine….

Are you saying that you have these fantasies of you family coming to a violent end while you are drunk?

I’m saying that your guitar does not have all 6 strings on it, and is grossly out of tune. My quote of Eph 5:18 was a possible explanation.

[DrJamesAch] Under federal law, there is a mandatory 7 day waiting period to clear the purchase of a gun after mandatory background checks are done. Also, one must have what is called a “FOID” (kind of like a drivers license for a gun) card which itself normally takes about 30 days to get which one must have prior to buying a gun. So altogether the process to own a gun takes at least a minimum of 37 days, but the ATF has been short on staff for process of these documents so the wait has been much longer than normal.

Under federal law, there is a mandatory 7 day waiting period to clear the purchase of a gun after mandatory background checks are done. Also, one must have what is called a “FOID” (kind of like a drivers license for a gun) card which itself normally takes about 30 days to get which one must have prior to buying a gun. So altogether the process to own a gun takes at least a minimum of 37 days, but the ATF has been short on staff for process of these documents so the wait has been much longer than normal.

Dr. James, that’s not federal law at all. You must live in Illinois. To my knowledge that’s the only state with a FOID card requirement. I can walk into a gun store in Virginia and be out in 10 minutes with a gun after an instant background check with the FBI (ATF doesn’t participate in the National Instant Background Check system). Anyway I agree with your other points and thank you for your service.

You are insinuating that I am drunk or mad?

Firstly when I was converted the judgment of perpetual drunkenness was lifted from me. I have been tea total since 10:30am on July 17th 1999.

Secondly to call a man mad or a fool is to bring yourself in danger of hell fire.

Now if you’d care to answer why it is you this fear that the Almighty may choose that your life and the life of your family would end in such a violent way?

[Shaynus]

Under federal law, there is a mandatory 7 day waiting period to clear the purchase of a gun after mandatory background checks are done. Also, one must have what is called a “FOID” (kind of like a drivers license for a gun) card which itself normally takes about 30 days to get which one must have prior to buying a gun. So altogether the process to own a gun takes at least a minimum of 37 days, but the ATF has been short on staff for process of these documents so the wait has been much longer than normal.

Dr. James, that’s not federal law at all. You must live in Illinois. To my knowledge that’s the only state with a FOID card requirement. I can walk into a gun store in Virginia and be out in 10 minutes with a gun after an instant background check with the FBI (ATF doesn’t participate in the National Instant Background Check system). Anyway I agree with your other points and thank you for your service.

You are right about the FOID. Yes I do live in Illinois and that’s the law here. That post is the result of PBC syndrome (posting before coffee). The ban of felons is federal. The NICS is under the umbrella of the FBI, but the ATF handles most of the processing and background checks as part of the process, at least use to be I would have to double check, that there was an ATF form that had to be submitted called an 4473 or 4437. FBI staff had complained that it took too much of their time from investigations to oversee it and since the FFL’s had to fill out ATF forms, it should be delegated to the ATF, and the ATF then complained that they were understaffed. Hence the 2 agencies in bickering over who should oversee the NICS docs, have caused what I believe to be calculated delays.