A Tale of Two Colleges

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This week brings fascinating news from two colleges. The two institutions are facing almost opposite situations, and the contrast between them is both remarkable and illustrative. Because change occurs constantly, Christian organizations are constantly required to apply their principles to new situations. Cedarville University and Faith Baptist Bible College provide a clear contrast in terms of how new applications might take place.

The school that is now Cedarville University started out as a Bible institute in Cleveland. During the early 1950s it acquired the name and campus of Cedarville College, formerly a Presbyterian school. For many years, Cedarville College staked out its identity as a fundamentalist, Baptist institution. Under the leadership of James T. Jeremiah, it was one of the flagship schools identified with the Regular Baptist movement.

In 1978, Paul Dixon became president of the college. He brought with him a vision to make Cedarville into a world-class university. Regular Baptists, however, had neither the numerical nor the economic strength to fulfill his dream. Dixon needed a larger constituency and broader appeal, and in pursuit of these goals he began to downplay some of the distinctives that Regular Baptists thought important. There was a softening of ecclesiastical separation as the platform featured a broader variety of evangelicals. There was an increasing openness and even friendliness toward the more current trends in popular culture. There was even a shifting of the criteria for faculty selection. By the early 1990s, Cedarville professors were putting themselves publicly on record for their (belated) support of the Equal Rights Amendment—legislation that was almost universally opposed by conservative Christians of all sorts.

As Cedarville broadened its appeal, it experienced growing tensions with Regular Baptists. These tensions came to a head when, at the end of Dixon’s tenure, Cedarville formally identified with the Southern Baptist state convention in Ohio. Under the new president, William Brown, the university refused to endorse the Statement of Purpose of the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches, a requirement for partnering institutions. For both these reasons, the GARBC terminated its partnership with Cedarville in 2006.

The divorce was ugly, at least on the Cedarville side. Since the GARBC national conference was held in Michigan that year, Cedarville supporters were transported by busloads to try to overwhelm the vote. At one point some threatened to rush the platform if a particular parliamentary ruling did not go their way. In the end, however, the association had the votes to remove Cedarville from partnership.

Shortly thereafter, scandal erupted on campus as a couple of the most conservative tenured professors were terminated suddenly. Alarmed constituents formed watchdog groups and began to spread word of theological aberrations. Most Cedarville constituents found these charges difficult to believe, but the university continued to show signs of movement away from its fundamentalist roots. In an attempt to reassure conservatives, in 2011 the university adopted white papers dealing with creation, with justification, and with divine omniscience.

The situation, however, continued to deteriorate. In 2012, a professor was fired for teaching that the opening chapters of Genesis were non-historical. Then two philosophy professors published that they could not vote Republican since they supported universal health care, decreased defense spending, increased spending on social programs, and economic redistribution. Consequently, the question was no longer whether Cedarville should be considered a fundamentalist institution, but whether it should even be considered a conservative one.

In response, the board placed the philosophy major under review and indicated its intention to end the program. In October, President Brown tendered his resignation, followed by a key vice president in January 2013—many believed under pressure from the board. In response to concerns that Cedarville might be moving in a fundamentalist direction, board chairman Lorne Sharnberg was quoted as saying that Cedarville “isn’t moving anywhere. We’re staying right where we’ve always been.” Ironically, these are the very words that the Cedarville leadership used to say when it was moving away from fundamentalism.

While these events have been taking place at Cedarville, Faith Baptist Bible College has been facing a difficult decision of its own. The school long ago staked out a position that was traditionally dispensationalist, strongly Baptist, and conservative in its appropriation of contemporary popular culture. It has required its students to become members in churches that share these commitments.

Through the years, one of the congregations that allied itself with Faith was Saylorville Baptist Church. Dozens of students and several staff are members at Saylorville, and in many ways (for example, its commitment to evangelism) Saylorville models values that Faith shares. Over the years, however, Saylorville has adopted an increasingly contemporary ministry, and it has recently dropped the word Baptist from its name. As Saylorville has made these moves, Faith has felt considerable pressure to soften its commitment to its principles and to broaden its appeal.

Decades ago, one of the presidents of Faith Baptist Bible College (David Nettleton) argued that when Christians disagree, they must either limit their message or limit their fellowship. This past week, Faith’s board made the decision to stand by its message and allow its fellowship to shrink. Students and staff will no longer be permitted to join Saylorville Church.

This may represent the hardest decision that the administration and board at Faith has ever made. They are not angry with Saylorville. They love its pastor and its staff, and they believe that Saylorville is in some ways a good model. They are not denouncing the church, but they are separating from it at one level. They are making this move because, if they do not, their principles will be obscured. They are aware that the decision will be costly.

Cedarville and Faith represent opposite approaches to the application of principles in changing situations. Cedarville committed itself to wider influence and was willing to sacrifice principles in order to obtain it. Faith has committed itself to maintain its principles, and it is willing to accept narrower influence in order to uphold them. Both have responded to change, but they have responded in opposite directions.

Granted, sometimes Christians hold mistaken principles that they ought to revise. Simply to abandon principles in favor of increased influence, however, is a devil’s bargain. Once principles have been obscured, they become very difficult to clarify. Both Faith and Cedarville will face some unhappy constituents. Cedarville’s will be unhappy because their school’s position is not clear. Faith’s will be unhappy because their school’s is. The difference is this: no one is attracted to obscurity and uncertainty, but some may be attracted to a clearly stated position when it is consistently maintained.

Christ Jesus Lay in Death’s Strong Bands
Martin Luther (1483-1546), translated by Richard Massie (1800-1887)

Christ Jesus lay in death’s strong bands,
For our offenses given;
But now at God’s right hand he stands
And brings us life from heaven;
Therefore let us joyful be
And sing to God right thankfully
Loud songs of hallelujah. Hallelujah!

It was a strange and dreadful strife
When life and death contended;
The victory remained with life,
The reign of death was ended;
Holy Scripture plainly saith
That death is swallowed up by death,
His sting is lost for ever. Hallelujah!

Here the true Paschal Lamb we see,
Whom God so freely gave us;
He died on the accursed tree—
So strong his love!—to save us.
See, his blood doth mark our door;
Faith points to it, death passes o’er,
And Satan cannot harm us. Hallelujah!

So let us keep the festival
Whereto the Lord invites us;
Christ is himself the Joy of all,
The Sun that warms and lights us.
By his grace he doth impart
Eternal sunshine to the heart;
The night of sin is ended. Hallelujah!

Then let us feast this joyful day
On Christ, the Bread of heaven;
The Word of grace hath purged away
The old and evil leaven.
Christ alone our souls will feed,
He is our meat and drink indeed;
Faith lives upon no other. Hallelujah!

Discussion

[GregH]

[Kevin T. Bauder]

If you are anything resembling a thoughtful person, then you are going to have to make a choice between the principles of biblical Christianity and the principles of the Democratic party. You cannot consistently hold both.

Kevin

I don’t buy this even though I can’t ever remember voting for a Democrat. I am not sure what principles you are referring to that would make the Democratic party incompatible with biblical Christianity.

Economic principles? No. There are strengths and weaknesses to both sides of that debate and both have some advantages from a biblical and practical standpoint. But it seems clear that the Bible does not endorse any particular economic system. If it did, based on the Israel theocratic model, it would likely be somewhere between the two parties.

Social principles? That is a stronger argument, but even so, I am skeptical. Since the Bible is silent on such pet issues as the right to bear arms, it would seem to me that this comes down mostly to abortion and gay rights. The positions held by Democrats on those issues can be pretty nuanced. A person could for example believe strongly that government-sanctioned gay discrimination is wrong while still being against homosexuality.

I think that people could intelligently argue that the Democratic party, while having problems, has some biblical advantages over the Republican party in such areas as treatment of the poor. They could decide that the pros outweigh the cons. I have never seen the data but my suspicion is that the treatment of the poor the most common reason why some evangelicals are drawn to the Democratic party.

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Ecclesia semper reformanda est

Kevin, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you were not intentionally insulting. My objection to your statement was not used to excuse a poor education, but where you have your confidence. You believe that the seminary is a must for a good ministry. I disagree but don’t think anymore needs to be said at this point.

Larry, there is just so much, but you are no doubt convinced in your own mind. You understand it or you don’t. You see what you want to see. I wish you well.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Acts 14:23 is one such passage for you Larry. Every church had plural elders. If you can find one that only had one, then I won’t bring it up again with you. Deal?

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Larry, I also believe 2 Timothy 3:16. In fact, I believe it is for all people. The foolish statement needed to be corrected. Hopefully we can both now move beyond this.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Acts 14:23 is one such passage for you Larry. Every church had plural elders.

Every church where? You see, Acts 14 has a context in which “every church” has meaning. It doesn’t necessarily mean every church every where in the world. It means every church in the context of the missionary journey in Acts 14. That’s my point. The Bible doesn’t say anything about elders at every church in all places in all times. It simply doesn’t.

Can we extend that all churches everywhere in all times without exception as you want to? Perhaps. But that’s an argument that has to actually be made. It cannot rest on a bald assertion that all churches must have plurality when the biblical support is the phrase “every church” that refers to a specific area at a specific time.

But remember, your beef is not with me. I am in favor of plural elders. But I am in favor of the authority of Scripture, and Scripture does not mandate that anywhere that I know of, and you apparently don’t either because you haven’t shown it. And so because Scripture does not declare churches to be out of line for having a single elder, I do not have the liberty to do so.

Larry, I also believe 2 Timothy 3:16. In fact, I believe it is for all people. The foolish statement needed to be corrected. Hopefully we can both now move beyond this.

I am not sure how that is relevant. No one here objects to inspiration or to the profitability of Scripture. And no one objects to the correcting of foolish statements. Those are all irrelevant distractions from the point.

The particular issue at hand that I objected to was the disrespect shown to someone else. 1 Tim 5:1 has a clear and indisputable teaching on that.

Why don’t you do this: Get your fellow elders there together and ask them to look in on your participation here and particularly that comment and ask them if they believe that it is in line with what 1 Tim 5:1 says about dealing with older men. You don’t answer to me, but hopefully you answer to them and have some accountability with them.

And with that, we need to return this thread to its topic.

Here’s the perspective of someone who has spent the last 3 1/2 years taking on-line / modular MDiv classes from Baptist Bible Seminary in Clarks Summit, PA:

I have an undergrad in English and a MBA in marketing. I have worked in “corporate America” since 1997. I am thankful that I have a marketable degree / skill that has allowed me to provide for my family of six (with my wife at home) and still take 4-6 credit hours / semester at BBS w/o taking out loans. Based on my conversations with pastors and other seminary students in IFB-land and the SBC, I think it is wise for men interested in the ministry to pursue a marketable undergrad degree and then go on to seminary. I’ve seen too many Bible majors, youth ministry majors, evangelism majors, and even seminary-trained PhDs struggling to survive after 1) they discovered they weren’t really called to ministry, 2) they were fired from their ministry position (for whatever reason), 3) they accepted a pastorate of a small church that couldn’t possibly meet their growing family’s financial needs, or 4) they couldn’t find a teaching position at a college / seminary / university.

That being said, I believe seminary is essential for pastoral ministry to fulfill the “apt to teach” requirement in 1 Tim 3. I also believe that it is essential for the church to fulfill its responsibility to test, train, affirm, and send men into ministry. Most seminaries require a pastor’s recommendation for admission. If unqualified men are entering / leaving the seminary, it is ultimately a failure of the sending church / pastor to properly test, train, and affirm that the man meets the character qualifications of 1 Tim 3 / Titus 1. I am thankful that for the past 3 1/2 years I have been able to not only take seminary classes, but also to serve in my local church and to have my life, family, and ministry examined by my church family and elders. I am also thankful that BBS requires a year-long internship where I am mentored and trained by elders who have had years of practical ministry experience.

I’ve experienced what a lack of seminary education produces from the pulpit. No thank you!

I’ve also seen what happens to a church when it fails to test, train, and affirm men before sending them into ministry. No thank you!

As far as preparing for church ministry goes, I still trust Faith. I also trust Maranatha, where I graduated from, plus BJU, altho’ not necessarily in producing

Baptists. Northland and PCC would qualify somewhat for me. I pray for these schools.

I realize I lean toward every young person going to a Bible college at least one or two years. I feel that is just as important as one going to seminary.

A Bible college experience is important because of the necessity for studying and learning from the most important Book in the entire world, The Holy Scriptures which live and abide forever.

I do have respect and do appreciate Christian colleges, but Bible colleges are more important to me and that is not to put down the Christian colleges.

Bert Baker Ex. 15;2

This is the only example I know of a local church with a purposeful plan to train ministers:

http://www.capitolhillbaptist.org/we-provide/internships/

Does anyone know of similar programs?

The usual method of a local church training ministers that I’ve seen involves the pastor taking his son (literally or figuratively) and trying to clone himself. The end result is sometimes similar to the original but maybe a shade or two lighter.

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

[Bert Baker] A Bible college experience is important because of the necessity for studying and learning from the most important Book in the entire world, The Holy Scriptures which live and abide forever.
Bert,

This is a non sequitur. Of course Bible study is essential for the believer. That has nothing to do with the importance of Bible college. That’s the church’s responsibility. I and my fellow elders are starting a class on systematic theology with our church this Sunday - using the same text book I used 20 years ago in Bible college. Is Bible college nice - yes. Necessary - not for this (though I would not necessarily extend this to seminary preparation for ministry).

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

I find myself in sympathy with Susan, Dr. Bauder, so at the risk of making myself foolish, let me venture forth here.

I think that what Susan and I would both prefer (based on our interactions) is some kind of training where local churches can give men the kinds of serious scriptural scrutiny and hands on experience (kind of a pre-seminary school) first to make sure that the prospective pastors are shown and known to be in alignment with Scripture (I Tim 3) and can get exposure to the ‘OJT’ of ministry, and then, after they’ve gotten their feet wet, “promoted” (for lack of a better term) to seminary, maybe with the church supporting them a little financially as ‘missionaries’ so that they can get the critical but more academic ministerial training (Greek, Hebrew, Church History, etc). It’s kind of that whole “Let a man first be tried” idea that some guy named Paul suggested to Timothy. :)

I can speak as someone who has both undergrad and grad degrees in Pastoral Studies, but right now I’m working in a full time career outside of the ministry (long story), and serving as a kind of second man/unpaid intern in my local church. I find that doing this internship-type relationship has been incredibly helpful and has exposed deficiencies that I wish I had know about before going off to school, and it’s increased my desire to serve in a church, not reduced it; it might also reduce the number of guys who either don’t really want to serve or aren’t taking it seriously to drop out and save everyone turmoil down the road. I also would have taken my studies a LOT more seriously if I had been forced to go through that process first, then gone to seminary afterward. The few men that I saw in grad school that had gone this route (usually ex-military guys) were easily the cream of the crop in my class.

Of course, that’s MUCH easier said than done, but I do think we see a little bit of a shift that way now - Calvary Lansdale had something like it back in the early ’00s (possibly earlier), Central and (I believe) DBTS do something like it, and I’ve heard that TMS and Bethlehem seminaries do that as well, but don’t know for sure. I’ve heard of other schools, of course, but don’t know much at all about them - feel free to share more information if you do know of this.

Thanks for interacting with hoi polloi. I appreciate the dialogue back and forth, esp. since Minnesota is a little far from New York!

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

[Jay] I think that what Susan and I would both prefer (based on our interactions) is some kind of training where local churches can give men the kinds of serious scriptural scrutiny and hands on experience (kind of a pre-seminary school) first to make sure that the prospective pastors are shown and known to be in alignment with Scripture (I Tim 3) and can get exposure to the ‘OJT’ of ministry, and then, after they’ve gotten their feet wet, “promoted” (for lack of a better term) to seminary, maybe with the church supporting them a little financially as ‘missionaries’ so that they can get the critical but more academic ministerial training (Greek, Hebrew, Church History, etc). It’s kind of that whole “Let a man first be tried” idea that some guy named Paul suggested to Timothy. :)

I’m not Dr Bauder, but…

Jay, yes, it is the church’s responsibility to test, train, affirm, and send men into ministry. Before men go off to bible school or seminary, the church needs to evaluate their lives, families, and calling to ministry. The church needs to evaluate whether the man truly possesses the spiritual gifts needed for pastoral ministry.

Unfortunately, what I’ve seen take place is that a teenager goes off to camp for a week and comes back excited saying he was called to be a youth pastor / missionary while at camp. Everyone is excited for his decision. However, there is no purposeful examination of his life and his calling, there is very little training / discipleship provided while he is still in high school, and there is no effort made to affirm whether he is truly gifted for pastoral ministry. Instead, he is paraded in front of the church where he tells everyone God called him to be a pastor. Off to Bible college he goes with a $500 church scholarship…

The other situation I’ve seen is when a man (in his 20s or 30s) believes God is calling him to ministry. He lets his pastor know about this desire, but the pastor offers very little in the way of theological, exegetical, or practical training for the man. Additionally, the man may evidence weaknesses in his life or in his family, but no one addresses those weaknesses with him. Instead, it is believed that if the man goes to bible college or seminary that those weaknesses will take care of themselves.

I believe there needs to be a more intentional process involved. The teen / man needs to be vetted by the church and the elders before they stand him in front of the congregation and tell the people that he is called to ministry. He needs an honest appraisal of his ministry giftedness, his personal character, and his family. In other words, he needs to be tested and trained before the pastor / church affirms his calling and sends him to bible school and/or seminary.

[T Howard]…it is the church’s responsibility to test, train, affirm, and send men into ministry. Before men go off to bible school or seminary, the church needs to evaluate their lives, families, and calling to ministry. The church needs to evaluate whether the man truly possesses the spiritual gifts needed for pastoral ministry…

I believe there needs to be a more intentional process involved. The teen / man needs to be vetted by the church and the elders before they stand him in front of the congregation and tell the people that he is called to ministry. He needs an honest appraisal of his ministry giftedness, his personal character, and his family. In other words, he needs to be tested and trained before the pastor / church affirms his calling and sends him to bible school and/or seminary.

In the best of all worlds, IMO, he would not have to leave his church to attend seminary. He could remain within the already established support system of church leadership, family, and friends, and thus accountability stays with his home church.

In the best of all worlds, IMO, he would not have to leave his church to attend seminary. He could remain within the already established support system of church leadership, family, and friends, and thus accountability stays with his home church.

That is one good way, sure. But “best”? Even in the NT, you had people like Timothy traveling with Paul and getting training away from home, or Jesus taking his disciples away from familiar surroundings… I understand the appeal, on one level, of a church producing a pastor from within the ranks. There is no inherent benefit, however, to a restricted perspective like that. Sometimes an “outsider” perspective, in fact, can be a great benefit (said the half-Filipino guy who never lived anywhere more than three years until he got into high school, and never lived in Minnesota until he came to be a pastor… :) ). Seriously, how many people are we ministering to here in American churches who have lived in the community all their lives. Less than half of our families have roots here in Marshall- most everyone came here for employment or something like that, either from another part of the state or country. Our most significant new ministry opportunity here the last three years has been with S’gaw Karen refugees from Burma, who comprise a third or more of our Sunday AM attendance most weeks. We could actually use some outside perspective to improve how we minister, but we are doing the best with what we have in the meantime.

Stability like you speak of is great, but it isn’t necessarily a bad thing to have movement, either.

Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN

[Susan R] In the best of all worlds, IMO, he would not have to leave his church to attend seminary. He could remain within the already established support system of church leadership, family, and friends, and thus accountability stays with his home church.

As I mentioned before, I’m a on-line MDiv student at BBS. That means that I can remain in my church and remain at my employer while taking seminary classes. To me, the ability to complete my MDiv on-line has been a blessing both to me and to my church. I can immediately apply what I’m learning in the classroom to my ministry context, whether it’s biblical languages, theology, exegetical methods, or ministry leadership. I know I’m missing out on the camaraderie involved with a residential program, but I think being deeply involved in a local church provides me with the sanctification, challenge, and sharpening that I need. In reality, I believe I’m receiving the best of both worlds: seminary-level training while living in an intimate, messy local church context.

BTW, there’s no way I could receive the seminary-level theological and biblical languages training I have received at BBS from my elders. First, because they don’t have it themselves. Second, because they don’t have enough time in the evenings and on the weekends every week to spend with me (remember, I have a full-time job). And, third, because I would not receive a different (and sometimes better / more helpful) perspective on ministry, preaching, and shepherding.