“Though the category of race is not found in the Bible, we do find clear evidence for the concept of ethnicity, an idea that is much larger than race.” GARBC
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“Though the category of race is not found in the Bible, we do find clear evidence for the concept of ethnicity, an idea that is much larger than race.” GARBC
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NewThere are so many good quotes
There are so many good quotes throughout this article. Here are two of them that we who interact on Sharper Iron can think about:
and later,
NewBrass Tacks
My church is in the Pacific Northwest. It’s a very diverse area. Our church reflects that. Here is one quote I have an honest question about:
Let’s get practical. Most churches don’t do active evangelism at all. Fact. I’m leading a team of people this Saturday out to several sub-divisions within a mile of my church. We’re passing out doorhangers, inviting people to send their children to our weekly bible club that begins soon. We’ll also be giving the Gospel to folks we encounter along the way. The doorhangers also have the Gospel printed on the back. Here is my question:
I don’t care who lives in the house; they’re getting a doorhanger, being invited to church, hearing the Gospel, and having their kid invited to bible club.
This kind of advice (from the article) is well-meaning, but sounds divorced from practical reality. I don’t care who lives in the house; I’ll be speaking to them. That, by its very definition, is “multicultural.” If God grants them repentance, they’ll come to faith, hopefully join our church, and join us in sharing the Gospel. I have no control over whether an Asian woman comes to Christ, a Hispanic man, or a black woman. How can I? Unless I deliberately restrict my outreach to WASP, middle-class families, this advice is useless to me.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewMy question
…is whether there are some things typically done in “supermajority caucasian” churches that inadvertently creep out some minorities. On a light note, I can imagine that if a majority Italian church were to greet everyone with the holy kiss, those of Puritan stock might run, and on a more serious note, if your church had a whole bunch of anti-Obama literature, even black Republicans might wonder what was up.
But beyond the obvious stuff, stuff where I think my church is pretty much minding their Ps & Qs, I’m needing some thoughts from people on the ground. In the pews of churches I’ve been in, I see a fair number of asians, Africans, and people from the Caribbean….but not so many of Mexican descent or african-Americans. We see their kids in AWANA, but not on Sunday morning.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
NewHit the nail on the head
Hear, hear!
In my experience, when people use the terms “social justice” and “racial reconciliation,” they mean something quite beyond just treating every single person around you, regardless of race, with respect, whether personally or in your church.
Dave Barnhart
NewTylerR wrote:
Modeling racial reconciliation in real life is about intentionally going deep in relationship with people from different ethnicities such as African-American, Latino or Asian-American. When the world sees Christians of different ethnicities truly loving each other and ministering together, my experience has been that many unbelievers ask why we love each other because there is so much racial division in today’s culture. I have been able to share the gospel on numerous occasions to progressive liberals that are blown away that a conservative evangelical church like ours is living out racial reconciliation centered on the gospel, but that sees racial justice as a vital implication of the gospel of Jesus. This gives glory to Jesus and adorns the gospel.
NewMeh
Joel wrote:
That answer sounds good, and I know you mean well. But, it means nothing to me, practically speaking. We witness to everybody, and develop relationships with everybody - no matter who they are. I’m not going to buy into a “multi-cultural” lens that informs everything I do. That isn’t an issue out here. Out here, we have secular manics at Evergreen State College who make Bernie Sanders look like John MacArthur.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewBirds of a Feather
I, too, have often wondered what being a multi-ethnic church would look like for my church in the predominantly white, upper-class subburb where it’s located. Would that mean intentionally not looking like our surrounding community? How does a church become intentional in inviting more ethnic minorities into the church, apart from demographic targeting? We have a Wednesday night evangelism team that goes out every Wednesday night (while it’s still light) and is systematically visiting all the homes in our surrounding community. We run Upward basketball in the winter months. We have VBS in the summer. What else could we be doing to invite more ethnic minorities into our church?
NewI think we need to be careful
https://theecclesialcalvinist.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/critical-theory-…
Newpvawter wrote:
Let me ask you a few questions before so I understand where you are coming from. Are you suggesting that the Davis’ article falls into this trap? Why or Why not? Would you agree with these men that the concept of White Privilege is a secular theory that undermines the unity of the church?
NewTylerR wrote:
That’s great that you witness and build relationships with everybody, but I do find it interesting that when we send missionaries overseas, we expect them to be intentional and develop deep cross-cultural relationships, but when it is at our doorstep we can easily dismiss it as buying into a “multi-cultural” lens. I think it would also be wise to remember that the book of Acts goes to great lengths to show that although the church began multi-lingual, it took some time and some struggle to become multi-cultural (Acts 2, 6, 8, 10, 11, 13, 15).
I get it that the liberals/progressives are quite liberal and progressive, but you have them everywhere, its just more concentrated out in the Northwest. In my early years of urban ministry, I sat on community boards and committees with real socialists. Here was one of their documents that they crafted to make Grand Rapids a more “just” city. Their suggestions are incredibly crazy, such as disarming the police force and of course radically redistributing wealth through a radical tax progression (90% over $100,000, 99% over $1 million, 99.9% over $10 million, etc.) http://radiantjustice.tripod.com/index2.html#
NewJoel Shaffer wrote:
Newpvawter wrote:
I think you are very naive about human nature to discount the idea of white privilege. It’s hardly bludgeoning an entire group based on skin color, rather it points out you may have some blind spots when it comes to race/culture. Let me share how my pastor has described it:
The term racial reconciliation came about in the 1960’s and 1970’s through a rural and then urban missionary to impoverished people of Mississippi named John M. Perkins, 20 or 30 years before the whole concept of critical race theory came into existence. Racial Reconciliation was about creating unity among the body of Christ, not divisions.
NewPerhaps a starting point...
…is to remember that too many fundagelical churches spent the Civil Rights era trying hard not to integrate—sometimes in ways we don’t even clue into today—and perhaps to reverse that, we ought to make a little extra effort to be attractive to minorities. Make a point of greeting people—let’s be honest, folks, skin color is easy to see. Learn (see my comment above) a little about cultural “dont’s”. Take a look at the decor, music, preaching style, and see if there are some things that are so stereotypically “white” that might be altered without harm. Visit “Stuff White People Like” to get a grasp on some of this. (OK, it’s mostly urban liberals whites, but it’s a start)
Even in Scandihoovian/German Minnesocold, you can find minorities. Give it a shot.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
NewNot Convinced
I am quite convinced this “multi-cultural” narrative is not driven by facts. I, too, can give you anecdotes. I have participated in hiring several regulatory investigators, and have interviewed countless people for positions in state government. Nobody here cares about whether they’re white, black or purple. We care about their credentials.
I believe we create more division than we solve by embracing a “multi-cultural” lens which informs everything we do. We are all equal, because we have been made in God’s image - whether we’re Christians or not. People need to realize it, and acknowledge that racism is a terrible sin. In our own contexts, we should press that whenever we have an opportunity to speak truth about racial issue, then pivot to the Gospel as soon as we can.
Beyond that, I see nothing to be gained by apologizing for an alleged “white privilege.” I went to public high school, got married, went into the Navy, had kids, got a degree, and went to Seminary. None of this had anything to do with the color of my skin, and I refuse to apologize for being a white person. I am very concerned this “lens” will foster a self-identity of perpetual victimhood, and will create far more problems than it solves.
In some communities, particularly in the inner-city, multiculturalism and an emphasis on the equal dignity of all people is a theme that is necessary and prudent. People experience racism, and it is a problem. I am not convinced this is a legitimate issue, in my neck of the woods. We’re a multi-cultural area, with people from everywhere. The Pacific Northwest isn’t rural Illinois (where people can be overtly racist).
If you’re in an urban ministry context, I grant you that this is likely an issue. I’m not in that context. This is a big country, with lots of different contexts for ministry. I appreciate where you’re coming from, Joel. I just don”t see it.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
New"white privilege" eventually becomes "white guilt"
… and there are enough bad things I’ve done to feel guilty over things I haven’t.
Besides, some of my ancestors were Latinos, native Americans, and west African slaves, even though I look white. So I never quite know where to hang my hat these kind of debates. Doesn’t seem fair that I have to be with the whites because of my physical appearance. :)