No Human Being Is Garbage

Well, you know, "Trump isn't perfect but he's better than the alternative..." :(

And, his brilliant idea to diss MLK Jr (and Juneteenth) and honor himself with free access to the National Parks is another move that will endear many voters to the Republicans during the midterms.

Trump is going scorched-earth, and the Republican party and sequacious Christians are all tied together with him. This will end very badly come next year and 2028.

My concern has always been why isn't the right at least addressing these. The only major denomination saying anything about Trump's behavior is the Catholic Church. I have not seen any conservative evangelical denominations putting any pressure on his behavior. I do see some individuals speaking out and some parachurch organizations making some statements focused around their sphere. I am also getting a sense that there is some "quiet quitting" taking place, but not anything really active. Probably out of fear that it will embolden the left. There are still many who fear that he is better than the alternative. I am not so sure. It was conservative evangelicals that got him to where he is. It is surprising because if Biden had done this these same people who support Trump would speak out. IF someone in our church behaved like this and didn't change, we would church discipline them. I can't imagine anyone would put up with a member calling the pastors wife "piggy" and people turning a blind eye to it.

My concern has always been why isn't the right at least addressing these. The only major denomination saying anything about Trump's behavior is the Catholic Church.

Come on, now. Boys will be boys. What's a few inappropriate tweets compared to the woke takeover of our country.

BTW, several people within the SBC did stand up against Trump and MAGA during his first presidency, and they were summarily castigated. At least one of them was branded woke, left the SBC, and is now in the leadership of CT.

I recently had a member of my church individually meet with 3/4 of our elders asking us why our church didn't take a more public stance against democratic candidates, why we didn't promote Turning Point USA, and why we didn't promote Charlie Kirk's funeral from the pulpit. Charlie was a Christian martyr after all; he died for being a Christian. And, TPUSA is fueling a national revival amongst young people. He was dismayed when I told him I didn't really know much about Charlie Kirk other than he was a young conservative MAGA influencer like Ben Shapiro, Candice Owens, etc.

This man told me he can't stand anyone who is a democrat and thinks they're disgusting and vile people.

Trump calling people on the left retarded, idiots, and pigs doesn't bother Christians like this.

I was labeled as perverted by a member of this very forum for calling out Trump’s actions. Apparently it’s no problem for Trump to behave inappropriately, but if I call it out my mind is in the gutter.

Trump has revealed that many Christians are more concerned with maintaining political power than they are about actually being Christ-like.

Trump has revealed that many Christians are more concerned with maintaining political power than they are about actually being Christ-like.

I don’t think the man in my church was interested in maintaining political power. He was interested in saving the country from those he viewed as trying to destroy it.

For him, Trump’s peccadillos are minor compared to the wickedness that the democrats are seeking to unleash on the country.

The end justifies the means.

Yep. The problem is that they are seeking to redeem the country through elected officials, most which are corrupt to begin with. These Christians seek the redemption of people on their terms, through the institutionalization of a flawed moral code, running around the best they can through a maze of sinful, corrupt and destitute men, as long as they can institutionalize a moral code and legislate morality that seems right in their own eyes. Driven by the fear of not redeeming society through this code. Instead of looking to the gospel to redeem society and understand that we live in a society where people seek after what looks good in their own eyes. That can only be changed by the Holy Spirit through the gospel of Christ and not through some flimsy man-made laws.

I'd agree with both of the above posts.

In my experience, there has been an equating of conservative Republicanism with Christianity, and thus the means to make the US "Christian" is to have Republicans in power. And it seems that anything Trump does can be overlooked for the goal of keeping the evil Democrats out.

I wonder how this will change in the younger generation of conservative evangelicals. My younger kids look at Trump as really a despicable person. They are upset that Congress cowers to him and does not enforce some level of checks and balances. They are upset at the flippant attitude to others and the lack of love shown as really something being antithetical to Biblical values. I don't know how much this is shared across a wider audience of this generation.

Luke 18:11 KJV 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Replace publican with president and realize that Donald Trump is a sinful man who needs Jesus. We all need Jesus because we are all sinful. Pray for Donald Trump. We are specifically commanded to pray for our leaders.

Replace publican with president and realize that Donald Trump is a sinful man who needs Jesus. We all need Jesus because we are all sinful. Pray for Donald Trump. We are specifically commanded to pray for our leaders.

So, Luke 18:11 teaches we can't evaluate whether a person is morally fit for political office?

Got it.

>>So, Luke 18:11 teaches we can’t evaluate whether a person is morally fit for political office?<<

You know as well as I do that that’s not what JD was saying. However, I’m still waiting to hear your amazing scriptural recommendations for vote choice in 11/2024 as an alternative to Trump that would beat Harris and/or Biden (both of whom are no better qualified than Trump).

No matter how much we “evaluate whether a person is morally fit for political office,” we’re faced with the choices we have in front of us, not what we wish to have. Moses, Paul, or even George Washington were not on the ballot. Compared to the alternative, even with the negatives, I do not at all regret my votes in 2024 (and to repeat what I’ve said before, I didn’t vote for Trump in the primary, though it made no difference whatsoever).

In spite of the man’s personal failings, and in spite of the fact his administration is chaotic, and doesn’t do things the way I would choose, I far prefer where the U.S. is now to what it would have been after a year of Harris. You may not, and that’s your prerogative, but don’t try to paint the opposition as thinking Trump == Jesus. You know better, but it suits your predilections to make the accusation anyway.

You know as well as I do that that’s not what JD was saying. However, I’m still waiting to hear your amazing scriptural recommendations for vote choice in 11/2024 as an alternative to Trump that would beat Harris and/or Biden (both of whom are no better qualified than Trump).

Brother, you already know my recommendation: get off the republican plantation. Free yourself from the shackles of republican party slavery. Don't prostitute yourself for political power. Take a stand for righteousness and don't sell your vote for a bowl of porridge.

Yes, it would take losing a general election cycle or two for the Republican party to realize that evangelical Christians are not going to vote for a candidate just because they have an R beside their name. Of course, evangelical Christians will never take this medicine because Trump is their political Messiah. He is the right man "for just a time as this." The democrats are evil and must be stopped no matter what. Etc. Etc.

I'm neither a prophet nor a son of a prophet, but there is coming such a backlash against MAGA / Trumpism that our country is going to surge toward progressivism and socialism in 2026 and 2028. Trump is unleashing the political whirlwind. And, evangelical Christians, most of whom have sequaciously supported him, are going to suffer the consequences.

But, who cares as long as we get that garbage out of our country...

It is not who you did or who you should vote for. It would be refreshing to see conservative evangelicals stand up and push back at what this article specifically states. Human beings are not garbage. We should not be calling people "piggie". If we as a base, stood up and articulated a theological position around this kind of behavior and communicated that we will not stand for it, people would listen. But the vast majority of the evangelical community is either complicit or don't want to rock the boat for fear of Democrats winning. Instead of forcing Trump and others to change their behavior, we allow it, and thus why there will be a beating during the midterms.

So in other words, you recommend self-immolation in the hope that somebody good enough for all Christians to vote for with a clear conscience will show up eventually. No thanks. Even two more terms of similar governance to Biden immediately after him would have resulted in European levels of cultural destruction. I certainly don’t want to live under that.

I prefer to do what I can to keep things from slouching towards Gomorrah now (which might not work, granted) as opposed to letting our country burn down so that we might be able to do better some time in the (distant) future. Sorry, but my views of human nature don’t allow me to wear your rose-colored glasses and take a Pollyannaish view of the chances of success of THAT plan.

I don’t like name calling from anyone, Trump included, but as outraged as people are getting over “piggie,” perhaps they should try some self reflection and consider “basket of deplorables” among racist, homophobic, bigot, etc.

Of course I don’t want people on my side descending to that level. But again, I’m unwilling to lose intentionally to wait for the perfect (which of course, we know won’t come until Jesus returns anyway).

I wonder if some of you would have refused to follow any of the leaders during the time of Judges, preferring to let the Philistines or Midianites win until David (also hugely flawed) finally appeared.