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So in other words, you recommend self-immolation in the hope that somebody good enough for all Christians to vote for with a clear conscience will show up eventually. No thanks. Even two more terms of similar governance to Biden immediately after him would have resulted in European levels of cultural destruction. I certainly don’t want to live under that.

This reasoning is the product of short-term thinking. Do you not understand that the "gains" that Trump is currently making by expanding his executive powers and running roughshod over congress will be reversed when progressive dems regain political power? Abortion, transgenderism, LGBTQI+, DEI, military readiness, environmentalism, immigration---all of these executive orders will be reversed. For example, the American people are in favor of controlling illegal immigration, but the way Trump speaks about immigrants and has unleashed ICE is pushing people toward progressives.

And, because of Trump, progressives have precedent when they regain power to expand their political power even more than Trump is currently doing.

Do you not understand that the "gains" on the Supreme Court will be reversed when progressive dems gain political power and alter the makeup of the court? (Much like FDR did) Trump is setting the stage for progressive dems to win "hugely" in 2026 and 2028.

But again, I’m unwilling to lose intentionally to wait for the perfect (which of course, we know won’t come until Jesus returns anyway).

This reasoning is misguided. No one here said Christians should only vote for "the perfect" candidate. Brother, almost any republican candidate would have been better than Trump. Haley, Christie, Rubio -- I would have voted for any of these candidates. They are not perfect.

I don’t like name calling from anyone, Trump included, but as outraged as people are getting over “piggie,” perhaps they should try some self reflection and consider “basket of deplorables” among racist, homophobic, bigot, etc.

This reasoning is flawed. It's just another form of whataboutism. For evangelical Christians of all people to use this argument is mind blowing.

Regarding my “short-term thinking” reasoning, I agree there is a possibility that gains under Trump could be reversed. I still think it better they get reversed (after having been previously reversed), then if we had continued along the DEI/Biden path. If a better candidate did somehow come along after another 8-12 years of progressive changes, I seriously doubt we’d ever get back to even where we are now. Progressives will hate our better candidate as much as they do Trump if their policies are being opposed (even if they are being opposed in a “nicer” way). Perhaps they’d be especially nasty if they realize the candidate won’t fight back the way Trump did/does.

Regarding my “misguided” reasoning, I don’t disagree with voting for other candidates (when available). I did the same in the primary. However, as those candidates were not available in November, I did not throw away my vote in the general election, and as I said, I still prefer where we are now vs. where we would be under Harris.

Regarding my “flawed” reasoning, I didn’t say that Trump should use name-calling because the other side does. In fact, I specifically said I didn’t like it from anyone. However, I did say that those who used those other terms should consider “self-reflection,” because they are hardly in a position to feign being “offended” by Trump when he does the same. That’s not at all the same as saying Trump should do so because they do. In this case, it’s your reasoning that is flawed if you think I’m saying it’s OK because the other side does it.

Progressives will hate our better candidate as much as they do Trump if their policies are being opposed (even if they are being opposed in a “nicer” way). Perhaps they’d be especially nasty if they realize the candidate won’t fight back the way Trump did/does.

No doubt, progressives will never agree with conservative policies. But, we are not seeking to appeal to progressives but to the average American. Trump's actions and rhetoric are divisive and offensive to most people (according to polls). So while the policies may be sound, because they are now linked to Trump and his offensive rhetoric and foolish actions, these policies are beginning to be rejected by more and more Americans.

Back to the original point of this thread... Most Americans agreed with Trump about the need to close the border and remove illegal immigrants from our country. However, because of how he is executing his policy and the rhetoric he is using, their support for his policies is declining. Further, because Trump is being Trump, he is giving progressives the talking points to win hearts and minds.

Further, because Trump is being Trump, he is giving progressives the talking points to win hearts and minds.

I do not disagree with this statement at all. It definitely concerns me. But I find it interesting that we have about 3 people who have commented on this post who are also consistently giving progressives the talking points to win hearts and minds.

If their comments were consistently anti-Trump and not also consistently anti republican and anti Christian conservative, I would be much more willing to take them seriously.

If their comments were consistently anti-Trump and not also consistently anti republican and anti Christian conservative, I would be much more willing to take them seriously.

I would love to be able to support the Republican Party without also having to express loyalty to Trump, but is that even possible in the current Republican Party? Republicans in Indiana are finding out that if they don't go along with Trump's redistricting efforts, then Trump is going to try to replace them with primary challengers who would support Trump's positions. Even when Trump's position is not the traditional republican position, the party is expected to fall in lockstep behind Trump. As long as the Republican Party is the Loyalty-to-Trump Party, then I have a hard time taking the Republican Party seriously. That's not being anti-republican. That's being pro-traditional conservatism.

I would love to be able to support the Republican Party without also having to express loyalty to Trump, but is that even possible in the current Republican Party? Republicans in Indiana are finding out that if they don't go along with Trump's redistricting efforts, then Trump is going to try to replace them with primary challengers who would support Trump's positions. Even when Trump's position is not the traditional republican position, the party is expected to fall in lockstep behind Trump. As long as the Republican Party is the Loyalty-to-Trump Party, then I have a hard time taking the Republican Party seriously. That's not being anti-republican. That's being pro-traditional conservatism.

So, we cannot support the republicans because they refuse to stand up to Trump, yet the example given of them refusing to stand up to Trump is when those from Indiana did stand up to Trump. That dog don't hunt.

So, we cannot support the republicans because they refuse to stand up to Trump, yet the example given of them refusing to stand up to Trump is when those from Indiana did stand up to Trump. That dog don't hunt.

Oh I can definitely support the Republicans in Indiana, at least for now, while they are still standing up to Trump. Is the rest of the Republican Party acting like that, though? Indiana seems to be a rare exception. My point was that the majority of the Republican legislatures are not acting like that, and when they do, they are strongly opposed by Trump. Do you disagree?

More of the norm from Trump. Reiner and his wife were stabbed to death by their son and this is the response that Trump gives. And no one gives it a second thought anymore because this is run of the mill for Trump and the current Republican Party.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away, together with his wife, Michele, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as TRUMP DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people CRAZY by his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump Administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness, and with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before. May Rob and Michele rest in peace

By the way, here’s what Reiner had to say recently about Charlie Kirk’s death. Our president lacks the same type of graciousness.

I felt absolute horror. I unfortunately saw the video of it and it's beyond belief what happened to him. That should never happen to anybody. I don’t care what your political beliefs are, that’s not acceptable. That’s not a solution to solving problems. And I felt like what his wife said at the service, at the memorial they had, was exactly right.

And, totally, I believe — you know, I’m Jewish — but I believe in the teachings of Jesus, and I believe in ‘Do unto others.’ And I believe in forgiveness. And what she said [Erika Kirk], to me, was beautiful and absolutely — you know — she forgave his assassin. And I think that that is admirable.

More of the norm from Trump. Reiner and his wife were stabbed to death by their son and this is the response that Trump gives. And no one gives it a second thought anymore because this is run of the mill for Trump and the current Republican Party.

But, he's saving us from going "woke." It's all worth it!

I may be reading different conservative sources than the progressives do, but I have not seen anyone defend what Trump said about Rob Reiner. Personally I am appalled by Trump's statement.

In contrast I have read numerous conservative writers who have made statements to the effect that although they did not agree with Rob Reiner on politics, they were saddened and in despair over his death. They then went on to say that he was a talented actor and an even more talented director who brought so much joy to people's lives and that he will be missed. I wish we had a president who could take that kind of an approach. That however does not mean that I wish Biden or Harris were our president.

I'm not saying I would have voted for John Fetterman for president either, but numerous times over the past year he has made some very uniting statements. I wish more politicians would follow his example in this area even though I disagree with his voting record.