A Few Answers to SharperIron Critics
Should we answer critics or ignore them? Though critics should not be lumped in with fools too hastily, Proverbs 26:4-5 might be of some help in answering this question. Apparently, sometimes we should not answer fools, but sometimes we should. Given the number of leadership experts who say, “Never answer the critics because…” as well as the number who say, “You have to answer your critics because…,” I’m guessing that what’s true of fools is also true of critics in this case: sometimes we shouldn’t answer them, but sometimes we should.
Of course, we should listen to our critics first and weigh their criticism. But when listening to a critic reveals a consistent pattern of factual error (and more than a little evidence of malice), further listening is poor stewardship of our time. That narrows the options to “tuning out” or responding.
Public criticism over an extended period of time narrows the options even further. The likelihood increases that people unfamiliar with the facts will encounter accusations and believe them. Actual damage could occur.
Eventually the question is no longer if we should answer the critics but how to answer them without further empowering them—or perhaps, how to answer them in a way that empowers them less than not answering them! One good way might be to target falsehoods without specifically targeting their source.
So here goes. In most cases, these are criticisms that have been leveled publicly against SI or the team for many months, but some more recent accusations receive attention here as well. I’ll put them all in question form.
Is SharperIron going to go under financially?
Sure—doesn’t everything eventually? But the site has not asked for money in over a year. Last August we had a fund drive to pay for 2009’s server costs. As we enter the third quarter of 2010, we’ve no need to do that this year. But what does that prove, either way? Sometimes the wicked prosper (Ps. 37:7) and sometimes the faithful languish (pretty much the whole book of Jeremiah) and sometimes vice versa.
Did SharperIron misrepresent its membership total?
In May of 2009, the membership database had over 4,000 accounts, many of which had been inactive for quite some time. On June 1, 2009, the site went live with new software we nicknamed “3.0.” Due to unexpected data migration problems, we couldn’t get those accounts into the new software in any timely way. So we gave up and asked everyone to register again. From that point on, we had two membership databases. The old one is still on the server.
For some time after June of ‘09, the membership reporting page still had the old ballpark number of 4,000. At some point, I updated the page with more precise wording distinguishing between the two databases. Now we just report the number in the new database (at this moment, 1,387).
To one critic, having the original “4,000” out there for a while was both dishonest and criminal. And more precise reporting as we continued the transition wasn’t good enough either. But one fact remains: the night before we went to “3.0,” SharperIron, LLC owned a database with more than 4,000 member accounts, and after the move it still owned that database—and still owns it today. “SharperIron 3.0” was a nickname for new software, not the name of a new organization. “3.0” does not have members and never will.
I’m still waiting for the FTC to prosecute me for my crimes. But I’m not holding my breath.
Do the SharperIron team members (publisher, moderators, etc.) beat up on non-calvinists?
I’ve been publicly accused (recently by name) of doing this. I’m tempted to offer a cash reward for anyone who can find a thread where I attacked someone for not being a Calvinist or for expressing views contrary to Calvinism. I don’t think I’ve ever even claimed to be a Calvinist. Since some of the critics seem to have too much time on their hands, I invite them to see if they can find any place where I declared my views on Calvinism. It’s possible that I’ve done that somewhere, but it would take a while to find.
In reference to the team, the situation is a little more complex. Many of the team members are more Calvinistic than not, and in the area of Calvinist soteriology, some are very passionate about their beliefs on one point or several. But that’s OK. At SharperIron, the moderators are allowed to have opinions and express them. We’ve officially said so in the “About” information (though it could probably be made clearer), and that’s been standard practice here since SI launched in 2005.
For the record, Arminians (and neither-nor’s!) are welcome here. The doctrinal statement does not exclude them and we’ve never banned anyone for those views. You will find that Arminian or anti-Calvinist views are greeted with passionate rebuttals, but you are welcome to offer passionate counter-rebuttals.
To any non-Calvinist who is being ganged up on at any time: contact me and cry foul. I can’t really help it if the ratio is such that you’re outnumbered—the membership is open in that regard—but we’ve no desire to gang up on anyone. If you’re a non-Calvinist and want more folks standing with you, recruit some buddies to join the site.
Is SharperIron in love with the conservative evangelicals?
That sort of depends on whether you’re talking about the membership, the readership or the leadership. Members are all over the map on that one. Judging from the ‘09-‘10 reader survey, readers would be even more so. But that accusation is often targeted at the site leadership. Where do we stand?
I feel kind of silly answering this because I think the answer is obvious. But not everybody reads the forum threads, and some apparently read every fifth word or so (just enough to get things completely wrong). The attitude of everybody on the team that I’ve seen comment on the subject is that the McArthur, Mohler, Dever, Carson, Piper, Mahaney, etc. crowd has accomplished some really good things and appears destined to continue to do that. We appreciate much of these men’s work. I don’t know of anyone on the team who would deny that these men have some problems theologically and/or in their practice of separation. The “CEs” are not all the same, so it’s hard to generalize beyond that.
But in discussions about seeking closer ties with these leaders—and others like them—my own response has been pretty consistently tepid. I continue to not really understand why some are so passionate about seeking that kind of “emerging middle.” I’m not for lumping the CEs in with apostates, but my imagination doesn’t seem to be up to the task of envisioning what benefit there would be in “closer ties” (whatever exactly that means). I don’t see much to gain for fundamentalists, for the conservative evangelicals or for the body of Christ as whole. Since I’m not a believer in “bigger is better,” I tend to see larger coalitions as more dramatic but not more productive in any eternal sense.
“In love with the CEs”? Well, I don’t hate them. Maybe to the critics, that’s the same thing.
Has Aaron described the site as being for “fundamentalists of the conservative evangelical variety”?
I have to smile at that one. There’s a little switcheroo misquote there. In a few places I have described the site as being for, or consisting of, “conservative evangelicals of the fundamentalist variety.” I think in one place I went with “conservative evangelicals of the kind known historically as fundamentalists,” but that was pretty clunky. The aim in those descriptions is to help folks who know nothing at all about fundamentalism get some idea what the term means in reference to the site.
Since all who believe and promote the gospel are evangelicals (the term derives from euangelion, the Greek word for “gospel”), the site is certainly for evangelicals. Since our constituents are more conservative than most who claim the gospel, we’re also certainly conservative evangelicals. But since we’re also particular about separation (with varying understandings of the principle), we are in yet another subset: one called fundamentalists.
Maybe a diagram would be of some help.
Does the SI team unfairly moderate people they disagree with?
I don’t think we’ve ever had a “How we can moderate less fairly?” meeting. It’s our aim to be fair, and we put a lot of effort into looking for good balances, but we’d have to be fools to think we’re always successful. Sometimes the truth in a situation seems quite clear at the moment but looks very different a few days or weeks later. Sometimes the only thing that is clear is that we ought to intervene in a discussion, but we can’t work out among us what form that intervention should take. So sometimes we just have to pick an option and go for it, and hope for the best.
Everybody sees things through the filter of his or her own sympathies and prejudices. This is true of moderators but also of members posting in threads. So it’s all too easy for someone to believe he “got reffed” when a foul is called against him.
Interestingly, the most aggressive critic of our moderating efforts routinely and unilaterally removes—or refuses to post—comments at his own site if he doesn’t like what they say. At SI, your comment posts first and if there are issues, a team discusses them. Through that counsel, we seek to make wise choices.
We’re always looking for ways to do things better. One persistent goal is nurturing healthy tension while simultaneously reining in inappropriate or clearly unhelpful statements. But it’s an art, and none of us claim to be Michelangelo.
Conclusion
SI is not constantly under attack. As far as I know, the site’s enemies are few, and critics of the distorting or dishonest sort are even fewer. I don’t get angry phone calls (which kind of surprises me—but I certainly don’t mind!). If there are a whole lot of folks who think we’re a Very Bad Thing, they don’t seem to go out of their way to say so. To the few who seem determined to sling mud: well, sling if you must. I’m not slinging back—but occasionally we will rinse off a bit.
Aaron Blumer, SI’s site publisher, is a native of lower Michigan and a graduate of Bob Jones University (Greenville, SC) and Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Plymouth, MN). He, his wife, and their two children live in a small town in western Wisconsin, where he has pastored Grace Baptist Church (Boyceville, WI) since 2000. Prior to serving as a pastor, Aaron taught school in Stone Mountain, Georgia and worked in customer service and technical support for Unisys Corporation (Eagan, MN). He enjoys science fiction, music, and dabbling in software development.
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[Bob T.] Sharper Iron takes on the characteristics of its posting members and its active moderators.You may not be a militant Calvinist/Reformed, but you are certainly militant and dogmatic about your own beliefs. You find it “sad and frustrating” that people don’t simply drop their beliefs and adopt yours? And you accuse others of seeking to know it all yet you happily toss around ” fail to see the clear errors of … I find that sad and frustrating”, “and often do not have a grasp of its history or what it really is”, “at any internet site you deal with a level playing field and the PHD stands next to the high school drop out” … wow. What about 80 year old Christians with Ph.D’s in theology and/or church history who disagree with you also? What of those people?
Some posters are dogmatic militant Calvinists (Militant Reformed). I am not.
Some posters fail to see the clear errors of the LS gospel. I find that sad and frustrating.
Some Posters are open to what is being called “Conservative Evangelicals.” I am not. Been there - done that.
Many posters post from the standpoint of limited exposure to theology and ministry issues yet seem to know it all.
Some Posters are anti Dispensational and often do not have a grasp of its history or what it really is.
At any internet site you deal with a level playing field and the PHD stands next to the high school drop out.
The 18 year old is on the same field as the 80 year old ( I am not 80, only 71).
Incidentally, Christianity is supposed to be a fellowship, not a caste system according to age, educational attainment, spiritual gifts or anything else. The elders are the ones who should lead, but this leadership is to be in the form of service. I disagree with the general approach and tone of the rejoinder given by James K in http://sharperiron.org/article/few-answers-to-sharperiron-critics#comme…] comment 46 , but I do state that if the Internet results in a more level playing field and gets us away from the artificial, often unjustified stratification that exists in other contexts, then that is a good thing, not a bad one.
Solo Christo, Soli Deo Gloria, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura http://healtheland.wordpress.com
- There is a segment in Fundamentalism that wasn’t heard from as often or was even looking for an opportunity to be heard.
- There is interaction between people from broader elements of Fundamentalism that hadn’t been anywhere as frequent or publicly visible on an organizational level n the past- say, people from a midwest GARBC influence interacting with people with a southern BJU influence. There is much shared in common, but there are also subtle and different emphases.
- There are headstrong younger people who lack discernment and are quick to act before thinking.
- There are grumpy older people who lack patience and can be quick to condemn.
- We are all (young or old) capable of flaws.
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
As far as SI being a place where different segments of fundamentalism brainstorm, that may have been somewhat true in the past; but the site does not presently have a strong representation of the more conservative IFB men. It’s not that they’re not out there in great numbers. In fact, the conservative wing of the movement is growing steadily! It’s just that they’re not participating for some reason. (Some of them are reading the posts. They frequetly contact me privately when I’ve posted something.) Part of the reason for their hesitation is that they don’t want to take any lumps from guys who pounce on the conservatives or treat them like idiot chidren.
Some may argue with the accuracy of my perception and my interpretation of the perception of others. That’s fine. I KNOW what these men are saying because they are my friends. I’ve never had touble interpreting when someone is grieved over something; and many of these good men are grieved.
I’m actually not asking SI to change; but I am pointing out that a lot of guys feel alienated and even intimidated. My comments are merely perception—mine and many others. Take them for what they’re worth. Dismiss them if you like. Or, consider them a “heads up” on a situation that really exists out in the real (non-cyber) world.
Just clinging to my guns and religion... www.faithbaptistavon.com
I understand what you are saying about alienation and intimidation. That being said, SI has had a lot of prominent personalities in its history who are not as frequent, for a variety of reasons. One of them would likely be practical- a simple matter of time. Another might be level of effectiveness.
SI also has a variety of people who come from different perspectives. Your presence here in this discussion (as well as others in the past). Look at RPittman. Don Johnson (Jer 33:3). Bob Hayton. Larry Rogier. They all have different ways of seeing things. Which of them is definitive of “SI”?
But another thing to consider- many of your friends, I imagine, are pastors. They are used to speaking publicly in monologue. This is desirable, but it can be disconcerting when that is what you are accustomed to, and you say something online and someone responds with a contradictory view. I don’t think that venue is ideal for Sunday preaching. But SI isn’t a preaching forum- for better or worse, it is a discussion forum.
There are things that ought to be considered as far as how that discussion is conducted. There are things that have been assumed that perhaps ought to be challenged, though too- if for no other reason than to strengthen the perception that the thing still has merit. Better it be challenged here and you consider and offer a careful counter than you enter into controversy at a local ministry level blindsided and unprepared.
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
[Greg LInscott]….many of your friends, I imagine, are pastors. They are used to speaking publicly in monologueThe internet will either help reform fundamentalism or kill it.
Example: 40 years ago. I asked my Pastor what was wrong with interracial marriage (a question about a comment in one of his messages). HIs response was something like this - It’s obvious …. they even smell different.
As a new Christian I had one spiritual point of reference. Now Christians have thousands.
I was a Pastor. I would make make pronouncements (none of them as stupid as the one above). I didn’t like to be questioned. I suppose that is human nature.
I don’t discount the perception of your friends (or mine). But I think if men are going to be critical, they should at least contact Aaron directly. I stand by that. My record here has been pretty clear. If I have a problem with someone, I go to them directly. It has helped me make many friends in the process. :) Even if I didn’t gain one friend, it is still right. I think Jim’s comments are helpful here. Non of us like being challenged, but it is helpful for us to be challenged. But it should be done in a kind and loving way. I think that is something all of us need to work on.
Roger Carlson, PastorBerean Baptist Church
Hoping to shed more light than heat..
Many of my preacher brethren have voiced concerns about SI for several years now…these men are not likely to get online and address the issue. Most of them are grieved, but they ignore SI, hoping it will go away.So- these men do not like Sharper Iron, it does not benefit them in any way, they do not wish to contact the admin with concerns, advice or insight, they have no intention of ever using the site, they ‘ignore’ it- but yet they discuss the site with others in less-than-favorable terms because the presence of this site grieves them and thus they want it to ‘go away’.
Just checkin’.
Right now there are people who will not post on SI anymore, but will announce to the 10s of people who read their site information regarding SI. Steady updates are posted about what goes on over here. These people perfectly act out exactly what I was saying in my first post. They no longer control information. They no longer have a mindless army to command. These types are using the blogs to recruit fellow bitter and disenfranchised people. So more and more people feel wronged and so they post their big resignations and then go shout from behind their walls. This is not a strategic retreat, this is cowardice.
I have no personal anger toward these people. I truly am saddened that so many within fundamentalism refuse to understand the actual roots and causes of the movement. It is no longer actually about theology, it is about preserve a movement at all costs. SI undermines them, so they flee. Their blogs have become refugee camps for those too lazy to understand the scriptures, fundamentalism, and history. Those who have a heart to fight, will fight themselves when there is no one else.
1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.
Just clinging to my guns and religion... www.faithbaptistavon.com
[Pastor Marc Monte] Susan, Bingo! You got it! That’s exactly what I said. An astoundingly perfect interpretation of the reality I know! These dear pastors—great men with decades of ministry experience—feel exactly that way: grieved but unwilling to do anything directly about it for a variety of reasons. Unless my perception is faulty, I get the idea that you don’t exactly believe me. That’s O.K. I only shared this perspective in an effort to help. Sometimes it’s important to face a PR problem. Sometimes it’s easier to pretend it isn’t there. I really don’t mind that you question my perception, however, I hope you do not question my integrity in this matter. I am only an occasional contributor to SI and I have no real reason to grind an axe. I just thought my personal “on the ground” observations could be helpful to those seeking to chart the future course of SI. It’s awfully hard to tell the emporer he has no clothes.I can only speak to one case. I think he skimmed though once or twice; disliked the atmosphere (though this may have been in the more heated days of yore). The brother in question has enough on his plate that he can not afford the time to post here. ‘Sides, writing effectively is a different talent than speaking (preaching) effectively. I was trained to extemporaneously preach from an outline and still do. That’s a different skill set than faceless corresponding here on SI. The men I know have no problems in carrying on challenging face to face conversations. Again, another case of tarring a whole generation with the folly of a subset.
Hoping to shed more light than heat..
But if they do, the contact form is there. I have nothing more to say than that.
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