A Few Answers to SharperIron Critics
Should we answer critics or ignore them? Though critics should not be lumped in with fools too hastily, Proverbs 26:4-5 might be of some help in answering this question. Apparently, sometimes we should not answer fools, but sometimes we should. Given the number of leadership experts who say, “Never answer the critics because…” as well as the number who say, “You have to answer your critics because…,” I’m guessing that what’s true of fools is also true of critics in this case: sometimes we shouldn’t answer them, but sometimes we should.
Of course, we should listen to our critics first and weigh their criticism. But when listening to a critic reveals a consistent pattern of factual error (and more than a little evidence of malice), further listening is poor stewardship of our time. That narrows the options to “tuning out” or responding.
Public criticism over an extended period of time narrows the options even further. The likelihood increases that people unfamiliar with the facts will encounter accusations and believe them. Actual damage could occur.
Eventually the question is no longer if we should answer the critics but how to answer them without further empowering them—or perhaps, how to answer them in a way that empowers them less than not answering them! One good way might be to target falsehoods without specifically targeting their source.
So here goes. In most cases, these are criticisms that have been leveled publicly against SI or the team for many months, but some more recent accusations receive attention here as well. I’ll put them all in question form.
Is SharperIron going to go under financially?
Sure—doesn’t everything eventually? But the site has not asked for money in over a year. Last August we had a fund drive to pay for 2009’s server costs. As we enter the third quarter of 2010, we’ve no need to do that this year. But what does that prove, either way? Sometimes the wicked prosper (Ps. 37:7) and sometimes the faithful languish (pretty much the whole book of Jeremiah) and sometimes vice versa.
Did SharperIron misrepresent its membership total?
In May of 2009, the membership database had over 4,000 accounts, many of which had been inactive for quite some time. On June 1, 2009, the site went live with new software we nicknamed “3.0.” Due to unexpected data migration problems, we couldn’t get those accounts into the new software in any timely way. So we gave up and asked everyone to register again. From that point on, we had two membership databases. The old one is still on the server.
For some time after June of ‘09, the membership reporting page still had the old ballpark number of 4,000. At some point, I updated the page with more precise wording distinguishing between the two databases. Now we just report the number in the new database (at this moment, 1,387).
To one critic, having the original “4,000” out there for a while was both dishonest and criminal. And more precise reporting as we continued the transition wasn’t good enough either. But one fact remains: the night before we went to “3.0,” SharperIron, LLC owned a database with more than 4,000 member accounts, and after the move it still owned that database—and still owns it today. “SharperIron 3.0” was a nickname for new software, not the name of a new organization. “3.0” does not have members and never will.
I’m still waiting for the FTC to prosecute me for my crimes. But I’m not holding my breath.
Do the SharperIron team members (publisher, moderators, etc.) beat up on non-calvinists?
I’ve been publicly accused (recently by name) of doing this. I’m tempted to offer a cash reward for anyone who can find a thread where I attacked someone for not being a Calvinist or for expressing views contrary to Calvinism. I don’t think I’ve ever even claimed to be a Calvinist. Since some of the critics seem to have too much time on their hands, I invite them to see if they can find any place where I declared my views on Calvinism. It’s possible that I’ve done that somewhere, but it would take a while to find.
In reference to the team, the situation is a little more complex. Many of the team members are more Calvinistic than not, and in the area of Calvinist soteriology, some are very passionate about their beliefs on one point or several. But that’s OK. At SharperIron, the moderators are allowed to have opinions and express them. We’ve officially said so in the “About” information (though it could probably be made clearer), and that’s been standard practice here since SI launched in 2005.
For the record, Arminians (and neither-nor’s!) are welcome here. The doctrinal statement does not exclude them and we’ve never banned anyone for those views. You will find that Arminian or anti-Calvinist views are greeted with passionate rebuttals, but you are welcome to offer passionate counter-rebuttals.
To any non-Calvinist who is being ganged up on at any time: contact me and cry foul. I can’t really help it if the ratio is such that you’re outnumbered—the membership is open in that regard—but we’ve no desire to gang up on anyone. If you’re a non-Calvinist and want more folks standing with you, recruit some buddies to join the site.
Is SharperIron in love with the conservative evangelicals?
That sort of depends on whether you’re talking about the membership, the readership or the leadership. Members are all over the map on that one. Judging from the ‘09-‘10 reader survey, readers would be even more so. But that accusation is often targeted at the site leadership. Where do we stand?
I feel kind of silly answering this because I think the answer is obvious. But not everybody reads the forum threads, and some apparently read every fifth word or so (just enough to get things completely wrong). The attitude of everybody on the team that I’ve seen comment on the subject is that the McArthur, Mohler, Dever, Carson, Piper, Mahaney, etc. crowd has accomplished some really good things and appears destined to continue to do that. We appreciate much of these men’s work. I don’t know of anyone on the team who would deny that these men have some problems theologically and/or in their practice of separation. The “CEs” are not all the same, so it’s hard to generalize beyond that.
But in discussions about seeking closer ties with these leaders—and others like them—my own response has been pretty consistently tepid. I continue to not really understand why some are so passionate about seeking that kind of “emerging middle.” I’m not for lumping the CEs in with apostates, but my imagination doesn’t seem to be up to the task of envisioning what benefit there would be in “closer ties” (whatever exactly that means). I don’t see much to gain for fundamentalists, for the conservative evangelicals or for the body of Christ as whole. Since I’m not a believer in “bigger is better,” I tend to see larger coalitions as more dramatic but not more productive in any eternal sense.
“In love with the CEs”? Well, I don’t hate them. Maybe to the critics, that’s the same thing.
Has Aaron described the site as being for “fundamentalists of the conservative evangelical variety”?
I have to smile at that one. There’s a little switcheroo misquote there. In a few places I have described the site as being for, or consisting of, “conservative evangelicals of the fundamentalist variety.” I think in one place I went with “conservative evangelicals of the kind known historically as fundamentalists,” but that was pretty clunky. The aim in those descriptions is to help folks who know nothing at all about fundamentalism get some idea what the term means in reference to the site.
Since all who believe and promote the gospel are evangelicals (the term derives from euangelion, the Greek word for “gospel”), the site is certainly for evangelicals. Since our constituents are more conservative than most who claim the gospel, we’re also certainly conservative evangelicals. But since we’re also particular about separation (with varying understandings of the principle), we are in yet another subset: one called fundamentalists.
Maybe a diagram would be of some help.
Does the SI team unfairly moderate people they disagree with?
I don’t think we’ve ever had a “How we can moderate less fairly?” meeting. It’s our aim to be fair, and we put a lot of effort into looking for good balances, but we’d have to be fools to think we’re always successful. Sometimes the truth in a situation seems quite clear at the moment but looks very different a few days or weeks later. Sometimes the only thing that is clear is that we ought to intervene in a discussion, but we can’t work out among us what form that intervention should take. So sometimes we just have to pick an option and go for it, and hope for the best.
Everybody sees things through the filter of his or her own sympathies and prejudices. This is true of moderators but also of members posting in threads. So it’s all too easy for someone to believe he “got reffed” when a foul is called against him.
Interestingly, the most aggressive critic of our moderating efforts routinely and unilaterally removes—or refuses to post—comments at his own site if he doesn’t like what they say. At SI, your comment posts first and if there are issues, a team discusses them. Through that counsel, we seek to make wise choices.
We’re always looking for ways to do things better. One persistent goal is nurturing healthy tension while simultaneously reining in inappropriate or clearly unhelpful statements. But it’s an art, and none of us claim to be Michelangelo.
Conclusion
SI is not constantly under attack. As far as I know, the site’s enemies are few, and critics of the distorting or dishonest sort are even fewer. I don’t get angry phone calls (which kind of surprises me—but I certainly don’t mind!). If there are a whole lot of folks who think we’re a Very Bad Thing, they don’t seem to go out of their way to say so. To the few who seem determined to sling mud: well, sling if you must. I’m not slinging back—but occasionally we will rinse off a bit.
Aaron Blumer, SI’s site publisher, is a native of lower Michigan and a graduate of Bob Jones University (Greenville, SC) and Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Plymouth, MN). He, his wife, and their two children live in a small town in western Wisconsin, where he has pastored Grace Baptist Church (Boyceville, WI) since 2000. Prior to serving as a pastor, Aaron taught school in Stone Mountain, Georgia and worked in customer service and technical support for Unisys Corporation (Eagan, MN). He enjoys science fiction, music, and dabbling in software development.
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The “conservative evangelicals” would have ALL BEEN fundamentalists if they lived in the 1920s. This is a fact. I read on here where people complain about charismatic leanings of the Piper crowd. Are they really this ignorant? What about all the fundies who go around saying God told them to do this, or the Lord just spoke to me today, or any other language that implies divine revelation?
No, the problem these people have is that Sharper Iron and other blogs have allowed the information to travel so much faster. People don’t have to wait for information to be filtered by the family heads of the fundy power institutions anymore. People are able to read and understand the information directly, and that has the old school (i.e. ignorant) fundies who have lost their power nervous. These same people who still kiss the rings of the family heads have their own blogs where they whine and moan what gets done over here. I get the impression that they think of themselves as made men.
I am frankly amused at the attempts of some of these men to beat their chest and shout against SI. They could after all just come on here and seek to debate the scriptures and other topics. They won’t though. They cannot not be rankerous and rowdy. Now they sit at home and furiously pound their keyboards in anger and frustration because fundies no longer just sit there and be told what to believe.
Aaron, I truly think you should leave them to themselves. Don’t even engage them. If they want to be crazy, let them.
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Removed personal reference; notified original poster -Jay C.
1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.
Matthew Richards
Indianapolis, Indiana
Matthew
Indianapolis, IN
[Aaron Blumer] OK, here’s another go at my picture that is worth 999 words.Aaron,
I also shrunk the font used for “Conservative Evangelicals” so that I do not suggest any exaggerated sense of importance for them. ;)
“Fundamentalism” would be much, much larger, but wouldn’t fit in its oval that way.
You really need to put “fundamentalism” in bold letters and slap a porky (pocket hanky with points) on it!
Matthew
[Aaron Blumer]Just for that jab I take back my try at humility. I’m right and will start my own movement - righterism!I’m sure I’m not (and many of you would agree)Yes. I was just telling someone that the other day. But I had to agree that you have made me think.. sometimes when I really didn’t want to.
[Bob T.] However, there have been times when the moderators of SI have deleted posts and been involved in discourse in which they have merely had the effect of restricting discussion based on personal view or offense. In my over 5 years of posting I have had a post deleted but one time (of course it was unjust). ;) However, I am talking about others who have come and gone.Couple thoughts, and I’m kind of musing aloud here…so bear with me.
A prime example is on this thread. Do not be so quick to gang up on dissenters…If I may be outlandish in my remarks - stop and listen!
So far as some of the outside criticism of SI by bloggers, this is to be expected…it comes with some contents pulled from a Dempsy Dumpster. In my years of going to Fundamental Pastors meetings I would occasionally meet and talk with someone that by demeanor and attitude had me thinking that they were not balanced. It is possible that some Fundamentalists who get involved in the constant criticism syndrome, which some make into a ministry, are what Psychiatrists call “functioning Paranoids,” even functioning Paranoid Schizophrenics. That may be why they often take statements wrong or misunderstand what is going on. This of course is but a general statement and I am not applying it to any specific person.
I think you’re right about the bolded section…it does sometimes it look like we do ‘gang up on’ people, especially when the comment is especially atrocious. Take, for example, the comment you brought up because it’s obvious. Three people from the mod/admin team addressed that specific comment within an hour, and I was one of them. I also know that we didn’t plan and coordinate that together because I was too busy writing my own reply to check with them first - not a good sign of coordination! Yet the allegations haven’t been proven (as of yet), and this person instead leaves for another site and makes more disparaging remarks about us and SharperIron. He returns and reposts twice, but hasn’t yet provided proof for his allegation. So what is it - are we evil and mean for gangtackling him or are we legitimately trying to address a concern by grieved members? Others, including Aaron himself, have noted that when it comes to personal, face to face interaction about where we screwed up, we don’t get a lot of emails…most of it comes in through proxy or via something like Facebook that one of us just happened to see and shared with the rest of the team. Aaron would know about that better than I would.
The maddening thing is most, rather than taking advantage of the various ways to contact the mods and admins about perceived injustices in general (PM, email, even the snail mail address is posted), they snipe at us via proxy. So now we’re supposed to turn the other cheek and pretend it never happened, putting us into positions (like this) where we’re reacting after literally months of criticism, or we’re the Gestapo, silencing all dissent, hiding all posts in a pathetic attempt to cover our tracks, or banning our poor and misunderstood members willy-nilly. Which is it? And more importantly, what’s the RIGHT way for us to do it?
I say all of this because the example of Christ in John 18 comes to mind…
19 The high priest then questioned Jesus about his disciples and his teaching. 20 Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world. I have always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all Jews come together. I have said nothing in secret. 21 Why do you ask me? Ask those who have heard me what I said to them; they know what I said.” 22 When he had said these things, one of the officers standing by struck Jesus with his hand, saying, “Is that how you answer the high priest?” 23 Jesus answered him, “If what I said is wrong, bear witness about the wrong; but if what I said is right, why do you strike me?” 24 Annas then sent him bound to Caiaphas the high priest.I put a lot - and I do mean a LOT - of time into this site. I probably put two to two and a half hours in today (although today is an aberration because I knew this thread was coming.) So do Aaron, Jim, and Susan, among others - they’re the more visible members of the team. We ARE offended when someone accuses us, especially when they coordinate with other, less charitable, people in order to do so. I can take the slings and shots - even when my posts are ripped from context and turned against me - but we do want to resolve criticism graciously, especially when there is a grain of truth, as you yourself alluded. We can’t do that if our critics are more interested in spreading gossip and slander than if they are in actually addressing concerns. I know that the mods take criticism because we criticize ourselves internally in the Team (not just Mod) forum, and sometimes a someone will say that they got a PM saying they went over the line…or they just volunteer it and say, ‘hey, I messed up here’. As Aaron said,
It’s our aim to be fair, and we put a lot of effort into looking for good balances, but we’d have to be fools to think we’re always successful. Sometimes the truth in a situation seems quite clear at the moment but looks very different a few days or weeks later. Sometimes the only thing that is clear is that we ought to intervene in a discussion, but we can’t work out among us what form that intervention should take. So sometimes we just have to pick an option and go for it, and hope for the best.I know that I can’t pull back the veil and show the inner workings of the site, but we are taking the merited criticism to heart and we do want to make the site better; Aaron has alluded to that as well. My plea is this - don’t empower The Adversary by spreading slander and dissension among the brothers and sisters in Christ…confronting us on our sin is actually the Scriptural thing to do, no matter what we may want to do. See:
Everybody sees things through the filter of his or her own sympathies and prejudices. This is true of moderators but also of members posting in threads. So it’s all too easy for someone to believe he “got reffed” when a foul is called against him.
[http://christianteens.about.com/od/whatthebiblesaysabout/f/gossip.htmSo I’d appreciate some feedback here. This isn’t about one person in particular - although they can certainly address me publicly for what I’ve written, since all of this is out in the open - but about how we handle criticism. If we’re going to be critiqued - at least provide specifics for that so we know what’s going on. I know all of the team members personally, and no one on the team brushes off criticism as unwarranted or worthless.
Leviticus 19:16 – “Do not go about spreading slander among your people…I am the Lord.” (NIV)
Matthew 7:12 – “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” (NIV)
Ephesians 4:29 – “Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” (NIV)
Yes, I know - I probably should provide specifics here for the one comment in particular. Yet I’m not trying to make an example of that person - I’m actually trying to safeguard their privacy by intentionally leaving specifics out - just to demonstrate that it’s impossible to take some of this stuff in any way other than personally, esp. when there’s no way to know who is making the remarks and whether or not they actually care or if they’re just shooting burning arrows into a neighbor’s wheat field (Proverbs 26:18-19). And this statement is something that I’m putting my name to - so hold me to it!
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
[Rob Fall] SNIP
Old Guard, from what I can gather, a lot of the criticism of the”old guard” is made about the OG who came out of the SBC. Much of the current OG (speaking of the FBFI and GARBC) didn’t. They did have good relations with their southern brethren. But, after l’affair Hyles and the KJVO controversy such relations became strained. IOW, the current OG didn’t go through the types of tsuris of some younger SI members. so, they don’t quite understand the stridency of some of the comments.
Hoping to shed more light than heat..
Let me offer a donut, some coffee, and some clarifications (donuts and coffee have a way of uniting fundamentalists).
Clarification on older preachers - There are older preachers who love what is taking place on SI.
Clarification on disrespecting older preachers - I’m not sure I have seen this here. Any attempt at disrespect has been moderated from what I understand. Most people I know on SI have a great respect for godly older preachers.
Clarication on Piper - I hope nobody buys everything Piper says. Evaluate his words and actions. His whole teaching on “Don’t waste your life” is one of the most significant challenges given to the body of Christ in this present time. His whole teaching on leaving comfort because of need has inspired a whole new group of young people to go and risk it all for the sake of the gospel. Fundamentalism should embrace this and echo this teaching. Piper also must be commended for his honesty in issues like missions. He has not been afraid to acknowledge that the center of gravity in missions is rapidly shifting from America to parts of Asia and South America and has called the church to respond accordingly. Piper is wrong in having Rick Warren. He is also wrong in some of the other things he’s done. Learn to respond to him with wisdom. This is all that SI has ever encouraged, I believe.
Now, as Joel T has always encouraged, let’s gather around the campfire, have a big group hug, and break out the smores. :D
[Rob Fall] Did this make any sense or is it so obvious that it need not be discussed, or is this comment so obscure no comment can be made, or…? I want to be part of the discussion on SI. But it’s hard when I don’t get any interaction.Rob,[Rob Fall] SNIP
Old Guard, from what I can gather, a lot of the criticism of the”old guard” is made about the OG who came out of the SBC. Much of the current OG (speaking of the FBFI and GARBC) didn’t. They did have good relations with their southern brethren. But, after l’affair Hyles and the KJVO controversy such relations became strained. IOW, the current OG didn’t go through the types of tsuris of some younger SI members. so, they don’t quite understand the stridency of some of the comments.
I hear what you are saying and think you may be on to something here. I am part of the group that lived through some of the foolishness of the OG that came out of the SBC…
Matthew
[Bob T.] The 18 year old is on the same field as the 80 year old ( I am not 80, only 71).Would you care to expand on your statement? I am bothered by several age-related comments in this thread that seem, to me, to dismiss youth. The general thrust of those comments seems to be “I’m old (guard); therefore, I’m right” instead of “these are the Biblical principles, and here is my perspective on applying these principles based on my age/experience)”. I wonder if I’m understanding the age-related comments correctly. God demands respect for age, but God gives truth to both young and old. Consider Elihu (passage below). He showed respect for age by waiting and being afraid. When the time came, Elihu spoke and laid out what he believed was truth. My guess is that Elihu was quite agitated since the passage states twice that his wrath was aroused. For full disclosure I am 43, with lots of gray hair :)
Job 32:1-10 (NKJV)
So these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes. Then the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the family of Ram, was aroused against Job; his wrath was aroused because he justified himself rather than God. Also against his three friends his wrath was aroused, because they had found no answer, and yet had condemned Job. Now because they were years older than he, Elihu had waited to speak to Job. When Elihu saw that there was no answer in the mouth of these three men, his wrath was aroused. So Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite, answered and said:
“I am young in years, and you are very old; therefore I was afraid, and dared not declare my opinion to you. I said, ‘Age should speak, and multitude of years should teach wisdom.’ But there is a spirit in man, and the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding. Great men are not always wise, nor do the aged always understand justice.“ Therefore I say, ‘Listen to me, I also will declare my opinion.’
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[Matthew Richards]Speaking of a conversation I had with one of the OG, he just plain has no idea of the troubles some here have gone through. Saying that, if he did he’d be more understanding of them. Then again he’s from the Mid-West, fellowships with the FBFI and ministers in the West, so the whole former SBC mind set is terra ingognita for him.[Rob Fall] Did this make any sense or is it so obvious that it need not be discussed, or is this comment so obscure no comment can be made, or…? I want to be part of the discussion on SI. But it’s hard when I don’t get any interaction.Rob,[Rob Fall] SNIP
Old Guard, from what I can gather, a lot of the criticism of the”old guard” is made about the OG who came out of the SBC. Much of the current OG (speaking of the FBFI and GARBC) didn’t. They did have good relations with their southern brethren. But, after l’affair Hyles and the KJVO controversy such relations became strained. IOW, the current OG didn’t go through the types of tsuris of some younger SI members. so, they don’t quite understand the stridency of some of the comments.
I hear what you are saying and think you may be on to something here. I am part of the group that lived through some of the foolishness of the OG that came out of the SBC…
Matthew
Hoping to shed more light than heat..
[Pastor Joe Roof] Clarification on disrespecting older preachers - I’m not sure I have seen this here. Any attempt at disrespect has been moderated from what I understand. Most people I know on SI have a great respect for godly older preachers.Hmmm… please re-read post #46 in this thread and ask if its language is respectful or disrespectful? Or try #47 and #48.
Not that I am personally frustrated by this or the job Aaron et al are doing. But you say you haven’t seen disrespect for older preachers here? Man, open your eyes!
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
The reason it is interesting is because even the world understands PR better than we do. Contrast this article and following comments with another company fight a battle of public discontent (say BP for example).
* Would BP even loosely compare their critics with fools as the original article did? Behind closed doors, sure, but in a public statement?
* Would they imply that their critics don’t have anything better to do than look for faults? (“Since some of the critics seem to have too much time on their hands, I invite them to see if they can find any place where I declared my views on Calvinism.”)
* Would they aggressively demand “proof” and extended discussion from every critic publicly? In some cases, yes, but not in a way that makes them look like a bully.
The lesson Rehoboam learned about PR is still applicable. No one is above being called on the carpet by the people you serve.
The right tone should almost always be apologetic. Admit your real problems without sarcasm and jabs, ask for clarification gently (mostly privately), and ask for further suggestions. People respect that and they give second chances.
These things are not rocket science. These strategies are employed by basically every company in business. Why fundamentalism has such a problem with public relations is perplexing.
Aaron, when you start this comparing your critics to fools (not directly but certainly introducing that comparison), you can hardly expect things to go well. But I think your tone has improved considerably through this thread from the original post. In fact, I am very encouraged by many of the things that have been said since that.
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