Russell Moore: 'If I were a member of Congress, I would vote to impeach' President Trump
“ ‘This is not about politics. This is about our country, about the rule of law and about the sanctity of human life,’ Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, wrote in a Jan. 11 op-ed posted on his website.” - CPost
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Impeached twice, we’ll see where the conviction proceedings go.
If I were in Congress, I’d have seen if I could add a passage to the impeachment bill; add the names of Democrats who gave support to protests which soon became, or already were, riots. If it’s wrong for Trump to do it, it’s wrong for Democrats. The fun thing is that the list of Democrats to be impeached includes Kamala Harris and Nancy Pelosi, as well as Maxine Waters. Or maybe submit a companion bill stating that because inciting riots is wrong, we need to be consistent, with a fairly long list of names of people who supported the riots associated with George Floyd’s death, the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, and numerous Occupy/Antifa actions.
Yeah, never gonna happen, but we can at least show Democrats that they’re doing kabuki theater and not acting on any real principle.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
There are times when what’s factually correct is just so out of place. It’s like interrupting expressions of thankfulness at someone’s funeral by mentioning the deceased treated you badly.
The wrongness of some Democrats’ leniency toward violent race riots is so not important right now.
And also so not the same thing.
None of them were President. None of them spread a completely bogus anger-generating stolen election hoax for months and reaped a fortune from donors. None of them were chosen by The Good Guys to be the national political leader of conservatism.
Of course the left is going to act like the left. Trump made sure that the right acted like the left. It’s not the same at all.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
Again, too little too late. Trump did what he did and got to where he got to through a whole myriad of enablers. I still stand by the fact that the entire Republican party apparatus should be gutted. The RNC drove this false message throughout its electorate and kept feeding Trump what he wanted to hear. Even on his way out with his head low, the vast majority of Republican leaders are still defending him. Trump may not have quite none what he was doing and he may have said some stupid things and he may not have said directly that they should resort to violence, but he created a whole framework over the last 6 months that only had a path of destruction. Stupidity isn’t an excuse. I hope the Senate convicts, I hope they strip him of his ability to run again and I hope they strip him of his pension. I hope that his business dries up for a lack of anyone willing to engage or partner with him.
And yes, the democrats have a whole slew of mess on their hands as well, but that is irrelevant for this case. He was the president, his acts were seditious, his call to the Georgia Secretary of State could be considered impeachable, and all of it was built on a narrative of fraud so that he could drum up the base and stock his pride.
[Aaron Blumer]Our government is comprised of 3 separate, co-equal branches.There are times when what’s factually correct is just so out of place. It’s like interrupting expressions of thankfulness at someone’s funeral by mentioning the deceased treated you badly.
The wrongness of some Democrats’ leniency toward violent race riots is so not important right now.
And also so not the same thing.
None of them were President. None of them spread a completely bogus anger-generating stolen election hoax for months and reaped a fortune from donors. None of them were chosen by The Good Guys to be the national political leader of conservatism.
Of course the left is going to act like the left. Trump made sure that the right acted like the left. It’s not the same at all.
If Trump is going to be impeached for supposedly “causing insurrection” with comments that are *far* tamer than comments LOUDLY proclaimed by those in the left in Congress and fully IN context, they should absolutely face the same consequence themselves. And lets just add that those present have stated that Trump’s comments were taken out of context by the media and that there was no call to insurrection.
Literal buildings burning. Federal and State facilities attacked. Property of private citizens destroyed. Violence, looting and many deaths. Many thousands arrested (but their bail fundraised for and paid by those on the Left in places of political power). Their violence ENCOURAGED by these people in positions of power on the left.
Further, one of those exact same people in a position of power who called for more of the same after the burning and looting was already going on is going to be VICE PRESIDENT next week.
You are right. These things are not the same. What those on the left have done is far worse, and they should face consequences for their deliberate encouragement of the riots this last year. Trump and those on the right have done nothing but condemn violence and destruction of property since bad actors turned a rally into a riot on the 6th.
Trump and those on the right have done nothing but condemn violence and destruction of property since bad actors turned a rally into a riot on the 6th.
Further, Trump has been holding rallies for years. During those years before Jan. 6th, how many windows have been broken, how many fires were started, how many business were looted, how many cops were beat up, how many people were killed- need I go on.
As angry as I am with those who broke into the capital and stole and destroyed things- as angry as I am with those who hurt cops on Jan. 6th- the Jan. 6th behavior does not come close to rising to the level of violence that we saw from the left over the past year. Anyone who is unable to recognize that has a clear problem with bigotry and should attempt to keep their rancor toward Trump and his supporters in check.
Good article. I agree wholeheartedly.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
So would I.
Not to be rude, however, but I’m not sure why Russell Moore’s opinion on this matter carries more weight than any other Joe Baptist. I don’t recall him studying constitutional law.
Maybe I just don’t get it because I’m not SBC.
We’re all about reason and logical argumentation until we enter the realm of politics. Last time I checked, tu quoque argumentation is still a logical fallacy. Further, Jesus condemns this sort of judgment in Matthew 7:1-5.
Face it, my brothers and sister, before we bemoan the fate of Donald Trump et al. at the hands of hypocritical democrats, we need to admit that we have a lot — and, I mean a lot — of log removing to do in our own camp. It must begin in our churches. Once we’ve dealt with our own “in-house sins,” then we can stand against the hypocrisy of others. Until then, our faux anger and outrage is nothing more than a temper tantrum.
Grow up and do the hard work.
We’re all about reason and logical argumentation until we enter the realm of politics. Last time I checked, tu quoque argumentation is still a logical fallacy. Further, Jesus condemns this sort of judgment in Matthew 7:1-5.
Face it, my brothers and sister, before we bemoan the fate of Donald Trump et al. at the hands of hypocritical democrats, we need to admit that we have a lot — and, I mean a lot — of log removing to do in our own camp. It must begin in our churches. Once we’ve dealt with our own “in-house sins,” then we can stand against the hypocrisy of others. Until then, our faux anger and outrage is nothing more than a temper tantrum.
Grow up and do the hard work.
Are you saying the church needs to take the log out of their own eye before they can call out democrats, but they do not have to take the log out of their own eye before confronting republicans? That is what I am talking about when I use the word “bigotry.”
As angry as I am with those who broke into the capital and stole and destroyed things- as angry as I am with those who hurt cops on Jan. 6th- the Jan. 6th behavior does not come close to rising to the level of violence that we saw from the left over the past year.
Nobody’s even making that claim.
The inescapable truth is that Trump and his devotees created the situation on Jan 6. There would have been no protest at all without his “stolen election” propaganda campaign. And the deeper problems on the right that gave rise to Trump’s election in the first place also contributed and are still there.
Also a fact: none of the summer violence attempted to prevent Congress from installing a legally elected president. Both the short and long-term scale of the capitol protest were immensely larger and more serious than all the local stuff put together.
No, we’re not going to fix anything until we face the log in our own eye, as someone already noted, on the right. Talk of other group’s problems (the left’s problems) is changing the subject. It’s transparently evasive.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
Trump has a good case that the Senate cannot try him once he leaves office. Read Article One, Section 3, Paragraphs 6 and 7. If the Senate proceeds with trial after Trump leaves office, look for Trump’s legal team to ask the Supreme Court to decide the question.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
I am furious with President Trump. I believe he deserves to be impeached. What he did, either directly, or by shameful deceit and manipulative encouragement is despicable and needs to be punished appropriately.
But, it is not inappropriate to say that Palosi, Harris, Waters, and others in high offices have been equally guilty. SI is beginning to sound like Don Lemons shameful attempt to explain why his support of months of rioting by the Left was a good thing, but this one riot by the Right is bad, bad, bad. Let’ s be willing to say they are BOTH equally reprehensible and both ought to be denounced and all who encouraged either need to be held accountable.
G. N. Barkman
Moore states that he favors using the 25th Amendment to remove Trump. This situation is not what the 25th Amendment is designed for. Perhaps people should actually read the Constitution before waxing philosophical about the Constitution. The appropriate mechanism in this situation, if you choose to attempt to remove the President, is impeachment. Pence’s letter to Pelosi answers why using that Amendment is not the correct process. Additionally, using the 25th Amendment would take awhile since the Amendment gives the President the right to answer charges.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
Both the short and long-term scale of the capitol protest were immensely larger and more serious than all the local stuff put together.
That is simply an opinion, just like your opinion that there was no substantial election fraud. The fraud issue is still not settled one way or another. In fact, a woman in Texas was just arrested for fraud that was exposed before the election. These things take time and the issue has not yet been settled.
I am extremely concerned about how the logic of the beam is being abused. Imagine in the church if we said that we could not ever confront sin in women because men still had sin problems. If only women’s sins were being addressed and men’s sins were being ignored then we would have an issue. Essentially that is what is being endorsed- only confront one political party’s sins and ignore the others. That is not even close to righteousness.
Futher the beam is for SELF reflection, not for corporate.
[G. N. Barkman]Let’ s be willing to say they are BOTH equally reprehensible and both ought to be denounced and all who encouraged either need to be held accountable.
No one is saying that they are not both bad. This thread is about trump though, not every government official in the country. I kind of feel that many of us are acting like 1st graders. We say, “We took Johnny’s toy because Johnny took my toy”. Just because the democrats do something doesn’t lessen our need to call out Trump. The overt concern with Trump is because his behaviors have been excused for 4 years by the religious right, always pointing to the other side being worse.
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