By Aaron Blumer Mar 15 2016 Jerry FalwellDonald TrumpRussell Moore"He offered us food, … so he brought out Wendy's cheeseburgers. He ate cheeseburgers, and we ate cheeseburgers. Then he put on a concert..... Falwell continued that he believes those criticizing Trump are career politicians scared of change." 6751 reads There are 24 Comments So sad.... Aaron Blumer - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 6:21am Trump wined and dined us and we ate cheap fast food together and so he's David and those who criticize him are just career politicians afraid of change. OK, I'm won over. Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me. Some Mature Reflection TylerR - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 6:46am This kind of statement calls for a thoughtful, nuanced and theologically sound reply. It must get the point across, but it must also show the way forward. Here is my worthy effort: Clearly, Falwell is a complete idiot. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Remembering my 12th grade "Government" class @ Christian school: Larry Nelson - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 6:56am I shudder at the thought of "President Trump" (and I'd be astounded should it actually happen). It it were to occur however, how would his election fit with this passage?: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience." (Romans 13:1-5 ESV) Tsk Tsk Tyler Mark_Smith - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 8:48am You committed the ad hominem logical fallacy when you said this about Trump: "Clearly, Falwell is a complete idiot." We can't have that kind of irresponsible talk on this fine forum. We should only talk using Bert approved logic. You need to repent in sackcloth and ashes my friend. Note to Bert: Was that good for you? Price DLCreed - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 9:02am So how much did those cheeseburgers cost? I'm going to guess about 30 pieces of silver. Mark TylerR - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 9:03am Normal rules of logic don't apply to humor! All joking aside, it is disgraceful that a University President would model such ridiculous and muddled thinking. Wendy's cheeseburgers and big-screen televisions? The old "Pastor-in-Chief" line? Is this really the kind of application of Biblical principles a mature and thoughtful Christian man (let alone the President of the largest Christian university on God's green earth) should demonstrate? He actually compared King David to Donald Trump. This is theological lunacy. Perhaps Falwell hasn't quite left the more baser instincts from his fundamentalist background behind . . . Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Idiots Aaron Blumer - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 9:30am We're all idiots sometimes. It's fair to say that Falwell's reasoning capacity is currently underutilized. Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me. If Donald Trump is King David Goodellsboy - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 10:42am If Donald Trump is King David, would that make Obama King Saul? Proverbs 23:1-3 When you sit Jonathan Charles - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 11:11am Proverbs 23:1-3 When you sit down to eat with a ruler, observe carefully what is before you, and put a knife to your throat if you are given to appetite. Do not desire his delicacies, for they are deceptive food. Prov 14:16 TylerR - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 11:15am Proverbs 14:16 A wise man feareth, and departeth from evil: but the fool rageth, and is confident. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Logic Bert Perry - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 11:57am Idiot in this case is a fairly mild word for how I'd describe someone who describes Mr. Drumpf as if he were some kind of man after God's own heart. Either that, or "guy who has been visited by the Mob." Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. This is the guy that Lee - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 12:03pm This is the guy that evangelicalism has significantly committed the training of the next generation of preachers, religious instructors, and Christian business leaders to. Wow! Just wow! Lee Bert TylerR - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 12:09pm I know where you got "Drumpf" from . . . Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Tyler Mark_Smith - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 12:18pm Please tell us where Bert got "Drumpf" from. I do know myself... The problem is Mark_Smith - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 12:27pm Drumpf is his original family name, but I suggest Bert is using it in a derogatory way. Is that proper Bert? Do we really need that at this forum? I mean, you are the one seeking totally virtuous and logic based responses. I think Trump is all you need to say. I suggest you skip the insults. Bert may be onto something... Larry Nelson - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 12:32pm Bert Perry wrote: Idiot in this case is a fairly mild word for how I'd describe someone who describes Mr. Drumpf as if he were some kind of man after God's own heart. Either that, or "guy who has been visited by the Mob." ...Christie, Carson, and now Falwell. Maybe Trump Inc. made them "an offer they can't refuse." Moderator note for Mark Jim - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 2:05pm Mark_Smith wrote: I suggest you skip the insults. Let us deal with Bert! Now carry on ... there's nothing to look at! Twitter Jim's Doctrinal Statement Drumpf...and Cosa Nostra Bert Perry - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 2:05pm ....is Trump's father's original name. I am referring to Mr. Drumpf by this name because of his cheap shot at John Stewart (Leibowitz) for doing the same thing Mr. Drumpf's father did. Sauce for the goose. Regarding the "Mob" comment, I could never prove it in a court of law, but the gentleman made his original name by doing real estate construction in New York for a lot less than others, often (Trump Towers) by doing things like using illegal immigrant labor, ignoring basic safety regulations, and the like. New York City has a powerful union presence, often involving the Mob, that would ordinarily have discovered this chicanery (for which millions in fines were paid) and thrown the yellow flag. So why didn't they? What, or who, was in the way? What may someone have been getting in return? Add to that the sweetheart deals he's gotten from lenders, and the highly improbable endorsements he's gotten from people who should have known better, and I've got to wonder exactly how he's pulling this off. It's certainly not by charm or good looks, and I would at least hope that not that many people would fall for chutzpah. I don't like to start to sound conspiratorial, but it's getting harder and harder to resist. Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. Bert TylerR - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 2:07pm From the look of that nun, you have another thing coming . . . Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? :^) Bert Perry - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 2:34pm Insulting towards Mr. Drumpf? Why would he be ashamed of his historic family name? (I am more or less quoting Mr. Drumpf here) So am I insulting him, or am I pointing out his utter, hypocritical lack of character? Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. About that nun Bert Perry - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 5:02pm If you recite the Solas and sing a few bars of the Reformation Polka, it's amazing how quickly she goes back to persuading hipster emergents to cross the Tiber. I told her to deal with Falwell and Trump. Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. Which is worse: James K - Tue, 03/15/2016 - 6:06pm Which is worse: Falwell endorsing Trump, or Moore criticizing Falwell for not having a very well thought out Christian perspective? 1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other. Trump has no shot Darrell Post - Wed, 03/16/2016 - 11:26am Unless something extremely unusual happens, Trump is the nominee. And with that, the next president will be Hillary Clinton. I found this list of actual polling, including several key states. Needless to say, Mr. Trump is in deep trouble. And in that his name and reputation is already fully known by the voting electorate, there is little he can do to "re-introduce" himself and change opinions. AK: Trump 49 / Hillary 44 (Moore, Jan 2016) AZ: Trump 44 / Hillary 42 (Strategies 360, Dec 2015) FL: Hillary 50 / Trump 43 (CNN, Mar 6, 2016) FL: Hillary 49 / Trump 41 (Marist, Mar 10, 2016) IL: Hillary 57 / Trump 32 (Marist, Mar 10, 2016) IA: Hillary 48 / Trump 40 (Marist, Jan 7, 2016) KS: Trump 46 / Hillary 36 (FHSU, Feb 26, 2016) MA: Hillary 64 / Trump 27 (WNEU, Oct, 2015) MI: Hillary 52 / Trump 36 (NBC, Mar 3, 2016) MN: Hillary 43 / Trump 38 (Mason-Dixon. Jan 20, 2016) NH: Hillary 47 / Trump 39 (WMUR, Feb 28, 2016) NJ: Hillary 52 / Trump 36 (FDU, Feb 28, 2016) NY: Hillary 57 / Trump 34 (Siena, Mar 3, 2016) NC: Hillary 47 / Trump 41 (Elon University, Feb 19, 2016) OH: Hillary 50 / Trump 43 (CNN, Mar 6, 2016) OH: Hillary 48 / Trump 42 (Marist, Mar 10, 2016) PA: Hillary 43 / Trump 35 (Mercyhurst. Mar 11, 2016) SC: Trump 47 / Hillary 42 (PPP, Nov 2015) VA: Hillary 52 / Trump 35 (Roanoke College, Jan 26, 2016) UT: Trump 33 / Hillary 28 (DanJones., Dec 14, 2015) WI: Hillary 47 / Trump 38 (Marquette University, Jan 24, 2016) Trump seems on the verge of making Utah a battleground state. A complete electoral disaster, and he likely takes down a half dozen or more Republican senators as well. His family and behavior Steve Newman - Wed, 03/16/2016 - 5:20pm Is "David-like"??