Bible passages that guide us about secular/unbelieving criticisms of Christian worship music/ministry?

“If you sing pop lyrics, you are going to have a problem with your ministry because rock n’ roll by definition, and popular music, is about sexuality." A judge then interjected, "And demons." Simmons then repeated, "And demons.”

— Gene Simmons, a famous rock musician; transcribed from a video clip from an episode where he appeared on American Idol

Should Christians care about what secular/unbelieving people say in negative comments such as these about the worship music/ministry of certain Christians? What Bible passages do you think guide us in knowing what to do with such comments?

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Jay's picture

What about the unbelievers that approved of the music?  Does their opinion count?  If it does when they don't approve of the music, why shouldn't it count when they do approve?

Oh, right.  I know the answer to that question already.

 

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

RajeshG's picture

Jeremiah 40:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, after that Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard had let him go from Ramah, when he had taken him being bound in chains among all that were carried away captive of Jerusalem and Judah, which were carried away captive unto Babylon. 2 And the captain of the guard took Jeremiah, and said unto him, The LORD thy God hath pronounced this evil upon this place. 3 Now the LORD hath brought it, and done according as he hath said: because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed his voice, therefore this thing is come upon you.

Nebuzaradan, an unsaved Babylonian official, made profoundly spiritual assessments and declared them accurately and communicated that accurate understanding to a true prophet of the Lord.

Jay's picture

God also used a donkey to restrain the madness of a false prophet (2 Peter 2:16).  So your point is...what exactly? That God uses the unsaved too?  That's hardly news.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

RajeshG's picture

Jay wrote:

God also used a donkey to restrain the madness of a false prophet (2 Peter 2:16).  So your point is...what exactly? That God uses the unsaved too?  That's hardly news.

I'm reading through Jeremiah right now and happened to read this passage this morning. I saw its application to this thread as soon as I read it. I'm adding to the compilation of biblical data that many have contributed to this in this thread that either shows or implies that it is wrong to dismiss criticisms of Christian ministry simply because that criticism happens to come from an unbeliever.

As I continue to read through the Bible this year, I'll be posting any other passages that are relevant that no one has yet mentioned in this thread. There is no need for asking further what is my point when I happen to do so now that it has been plainly set forth to you yet again what I am doing in this thread.

Aaron Blumer's picture

it is wrong to dismiss criticisms of Christian ministry simply because that criticism happens to come from an unbeliever.

The point above is denied by either nobody or nearly nobody

About all that seems to actually be in dispute, after one strips away all the drama, is...

  • The relative credibility of various sources of opinion
  • The conclusions that can be validly drawn from the opinions of experts
  • How 1 Cor 2:14 and similar passages limits the potential value of expert opinion from non-believers
Ron Bean's picture

it is wrong to dismiss criticisms of Christian ministry simply because that criticism happens to come from an unbeliever.

The point above is denied by either nobody or nearly nobody

I appreciate this. 

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

RajeshG's picture

Aaron Blumer wrote:

The point above is denied by either nobody or nearly nobody

About all that seems to actually be in dispute, after one strips away all the drama, is...

  • The relative credibility of various sources of opinion
  • The conclusions that can be validly drawn from the opinions of experts
  • How 1 Cor 2:14 and similar passages limits the potential value of expert opinion from non-believers

I am glad that we are in agreement on that point. It was not my intent to go further than this in this thread.

To evaluate these other points thoroughly would require a lot more discussion. Based on what I am observing in my other threads, especially the polls, it seems unlikely that there would be much agreement on broader points.

Thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

 

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