Known issues

Forum category

We’ll list known problems here in the top post of this thread… feel free to post comments about anything technical.

Known Issues

  • April 14, 2010: after some securities updates to the site, the Front Page and Filings posts are not showing up in Forum lists. We have techs digging into why this is and hope to have it back to normal shortly.
  • Site Data before June 1: all the old articles and forum activity (fixed) are intact and waiting to be made available in some way. We’re discussing w/several folks who have ideas and should have a solution to announce soon. Update: forum archive online. Just working on article databse now.
  • Private Messaging: no folder system yet and tag filtering is pretty iffy I’m told. The PM system is definitely beta so expect improvements over the next few months as the brains at drupal.org refine it.
  • Browseable site member list: knew I forgot something! We’ll get one up soon. Workaround: use the search box (though accounts less than an hour old may not show up yet in searches… indexing, you know). It’s nothing fancy yet, but a browseable member list is available to other members at http://sharperiron.org/memberlist
  • Profile picture: before you can change your profile pic, you have to delete your current one. Would be nice to be able upload a new one and delete the current in one step… or keep several in profile. Also, if you change your profile pic and want to see it in your browser, you’ll probaby have to refresh a few times or even close and reopen your browser (this is not a bug. Caching the pix helps keep things from getting slow)
  • Latest posts/todays posts view: this is missing from Foundry. Plan to return it soon. fixed
  • Latest posts/counts on Forums page: these are not updating as quickly as we’d like. Looking into what needs adjusting…. likewise for “new” indicators.
  • Ladies Only Forum: the subforums there have not been built yet. Soon. fixed
  • Post links in Foundry: if post is on the second page (not on the first page) it takes you to the top of the first page instead of to the post. Status: not fixable short-term. The Foundry does not “know” what page posts are on.
  • Foundry: OP’s (original posts)/ thread-starter posts, don’t show. Should have this fixed soon. fixed
  • Foundry: Most active ever - something is currently wrong w/how posts are counted there. (Schwenke has not posted 153 times!). Tabled for now.
  • FAQ links not showing in Internet Explorer 8 - this is some kind of IE problem. We recommend Firefox. Will be looking for fix for IE eventually. fixed
  • Multiple subscriptions/notifications. Update: this appears to occur when a comment is edited… one notification goes out per edit. One workaround is to set your notifications to go out in bunches ever x period of time rather than “immediate.” What that does is reduce your number of emails, though you’ll still have a line & link for each edit in the emial that goes out. 9/10/09: we now also have a “Save without sending email notification” option as well so you can edit your post without emailing a notif. for each edit you save.
  • Scripture reference popups (Reftagger). Selected translation in Bible Options box not saving. fixed
  • Articles & Filings not showing up in forums - known issue. Do not yet know cause of this, but getting closer.
  • Clicking the Quote link takes you to an uneeded “Reply” page… Since we don’t use threading (where replies to posts are indented and placed directly below the post you’re replying to), there is really no reason for the Quote link to take you to a reply page.

Feature Requests

  • Combined RSS feed for both Filings and front page articles. [done:
  • Ability to disable missiles fired from North Korea… [rejected: (Considering feature that will alow re-aiming, though)
  • Text formatting bar (for bold, italics, etc.)… [maybe: … in the mean time, Greg L. recommends a Firefox plug in: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/128
  • Shinier stars in the forums w/new posts icon. [done:
  • Full Text Feed Content For RSS Feeds - [approved: (Pending ability to get ads into the feeds)

Discussion

[Diane Heeney] I like the Foundry button! :)
So do I! It’s exactly what I was looking for in my previous post! Thank you so much!

Anne, Greg L. and others…

Did the New Posts view show new post titles grouped by thread or did it include a chunk of text from each post as well?

What if we had a New Posts page where you can select the time frame (like “threads w/new posts in the last three days” … “last week” etc.)? Would that be helpful?

The problem so far is that Drupal Views has “new since x time ago” filters but doesn’t (that I’ve discovered so far) have a “new since my last visit” filter. There’s probably a way to do the latter but so far the experts haven’t said how.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

[Aaron Blumer] New Posts page where you can select the time frame (like “threads w/new posts in the last three days” … “last week” etc.)? Would that be helpful?.
Yes, threads with new posts in the last day. I like it!

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[Aaron Blumer] Anne, Greg L. and others…

Did the New Posts view show new post titles grouped by thread or did it include a chunk of text from each post as well?

What if we had a New Posts page where you can select the time frame (like “threads w/new posts in the last three days” … “last week” etc.)? Would that be helpful?

The problem so far is that Drupal Views has “new since x time ago” filters but doesn’t (that I’ve discovered so far) have a “new since my last visit” filter. There’s probably a way to do the latter but so far the experts haven’t said how.
The New Posts view did not have a group of text from each thread — just a list of threads.

Yes, the “new since x time” would be a big help.

[Barbara H.] The New Posts view did not have a group of text from each thread — just a list of threads.

Yes, the “new since x time” would be a big help.
Good to know. Some of the Drupal people are telling me there is a way to filter the view down to “new since last visit,” too, but so far I’m not clear on how. But it shd be possible to at least get an elapsed-time based solution up fairly soon.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

OK, there’s a new posts view now available for testing. Not sure I like the sorting/grouping as it is… and it is “new” based on elapsed time not new based on “when I visited the forums last.”

But maybe it will be of help.

You can check it out at http://sharperiron.org/new-posts

Would appreciate feedback on what might improve it. Right now the posts are grouped by thread and the threads are sorted according to most recent comment (within the time window of 1 day, 3 days or 7 days). The posts/comments themselves are listed from oldest to newest… maybe better newest to oldest?

Also, the view doesn’t show threads that have zero comments. Can add that later in a sidebar or in additional tabs.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

[jonschultz] Using a web browser to find and read all new posts is so 20th century :)
I’m sure that’s the case… and I’m one of the hold outs. Having never used one, I’m reluctant to install yet another application and learn to use it. But I’m willing enough if I can see how it’s worth the bother. So… what problem does a reader/feed-aggregator solve?

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

I like it!
[Aaron Blumer] OK, there’s a new posts view now available for testing. Not sure I like the sorting/grouping as it is… and it is “new” based on elapsed time not new based on “when I visited the forums last.”

But maybe it will be of help.

You can check it out at http://sharperiron.org/new-posts

Would appreciate feedback on what might improve it. Right now the posts are grouped by thread and the threads are sorted according to most recent comment (within the time window of 1 day, 3 days or 7 days). The posts/comments themselves are listed from oldest to newest… maybe better newest to oldest?

Also, the view doesn’t show threads that have zero comments. Can add that later in a sidebar or in additional tabs.

[Aaron Blumer] I’m sure that’s the case… and I’m one of the hold outs. Having never used one, I’m reluctant to install yet another application and learn to use it. But I’m willing enough if I can see how it’s worth the bother. So… what problem does a reader/feed-aggregator solve?
It’s a central location from which to read multiple blogs. The problem that it solves is the problem of time: it takes a lot of time to “visit” many different blogs if you go to them one by one, or even sort through the emails if you have email subscriptions.

If you just want to try one, try Google Reader. You don’t have to download anything; it’s all online. I’m sure there are better aggregators out there, but Reader is the one I’m using now.

Father of three, husband of one, servant of the Lord Jesus Christ. I blog at mattolmstead.com.

I use FeedDemon, and it’s fantastic. I believe that it doesn’t download the articles, but redirects you to where they are online so there’s no loss of HDD space [unless, of course, you count the install and if you download them yourself].

Now if they could just change the name, I’d be all set. :)

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

I use Google Reader too. Very convenient.

Quick question: Could links to external sites be set to open in a new tab/window? Most sites are set this way now, and I’m forever forgetting to CTRL-Click when I’m on SharperIron to avoid leaving the site when I want to check out a link.

Now can we get it in a button or link somewhere so I don’t have to keep coming back to this post to click it? :)
[Barbara H.] I like it!
[Aaron Blumer] OK, there’s a new posts view now available for testing. Not sure I like the sorting/grouping as it is… and it is “new” based on elapsed time not new based on “when I visited the forums last.”

But maybe it will be of help.

You can check it out at http://sharperiron.org/new-posts

Would appreciate feedback on what might improve it. Right now the posts are grouped by thread and the threads are sorted according to most recent comment (within the time window of 1 day, 3 days or 7 days). The posts/comments themselves are listed from oldest to newest… maybe better newest to oldest?

Also, the view doesn’t show threads that have zero comments. Can add that later in a sidebar or in additional tabs.

Yes. It’s in the Forum menu now to right… near “Forum Archive” Edit: needs a little artwork doesn’t it? A splash or something.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

Probably nobody cares about this one but subscriptions are now working properly for me! They were working before for anybody not using an @sharperiron.org email address. Turned out there was an incorrect setting on the server somewhere… so now I get email notif! Hurray! http://www.freesmileys.org] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance001.gif

(The banana is dancing to Bach, btw… one of the Brandenburg Concertos, if I’m not mistaken)

I don’t know what this one is listening to… http://www.freesmileys.org] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy093.gif

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

Thank you!!
[Aaron Blumer] Yes. It’s in the Forum menu now to right… near “Forum Archive” Edit: needs a little artwork doesn’t it? A splash or something.

This is a question rather than an issue. On the old forums the ability to edit a comment was available for, I think, about half an hour after posting. Is that the same now?

[Barbara H.]
[Aaron Blumer]! Hurray! http://www.freesmileys.org] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance001.gif

(The banana is dancing to Bach, btw… one of the Brandenburg Concertos, if I’m not mistaken)

I don’t know what this one is listening to… http://www.freesmileys.org] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy093.gif
They must be using one of Mrs. Haught’s aerobic videos. :)
I dunno…that banana guy looks like he’s doing the “Stayin’ Alive Moon Walk Macarena Charleston” to me…. :D

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

[Barbara H.] This is a question rather than an issue. On the old forums the ability to edit a comment was available for, I think, about half an hour after posting. Is that the same now?
It was set at 10 minutes, which is a bit short. It’s now at 15 minutes… since, as everyone knows, if you don’t achieve perfection in fifteen minutes, you never will. :D

Actually the only reason for a limit at all is to help keep the threads making sense… otherwise folks are replying to something that is no longer there and others replying to a reply to something that has changed, etc.

The ideal would be if the system were smart enough to sense how “hot” a thread is, and shorten or lengthen the edit time according to how fast new posts are hitting the thread. That way, if it’s moving slow you can edit for an hour if you like.

Probably not worth the trouble though. That’s sort of like a self-parking car. Really cool, but I think I can live without it!

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

I was gone all last week counseling at Jr. Boys Camp so I’m catching up on things now.

* I like the new posts feature.

* For those who recommended a feed reader…I use Google Reader. I find it helpful to aggregate new posts from multiple blog sites, but I’m not sure whether or not it would be helpful for what I used to use SharperIron for. I don’t necessarily want to “subscribe” to all the threads and have them appear in my inbox or in a feed aggregator, because then I would have to sort through a bunch of threads I’m not interested in and a bunch of posts I don’t want to read. I’d rather just browse to a page that shows recent posts so I can see what’s being discussed on SI in the last day or few days. Unless I’m missing something about feed readers, I’d prefer the new posts way of doing it.

* I’m still getting multiple emails for the same post of the threads I have subscribed to. In other words, if Aaron (or someone else) posts a response I’m getting two and sometimes three emails in my inbox for that post. But it doesn’t happen every time for every post. Again, I don’t know if it’s because he edited it or what.

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Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA

Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University

The way the feed reader used to work, it gave you links to new entries in the Front Page and the Filings. It didn’t even give you the text, just the headers. That was kind of good, because then it was easy to skip the ones you had no interest in, or link to SI to read the ones that looked intriguing. I admit I usually find the non-text feeds frustrating, so I’d be glad for that to be changed. I would still visit SI occasionally to check on the BBS proper, but it was nice to have the “headlines” show up in my feed reader.

Something that may or may not be related to the multiple emails thing - I’m having issues with the new posts stars. The main forum page will have a star next to, say the Filings forum, or the Front Page Articles forum. I’ll click on it, only to find no indication that anything in the forum is new. If I mark all topics in the forum read, it then goes away, but it happens again later. Also, and again possibly related, there’s a post in Youth Ministry about Sunday School campaigns where I was the last poster, but the main forum page shows the poster before me as the last poster. It never did update to show that I posted - you wouldn’t know I had if you didn’t click on the actual thread. I wouldn’t have noticed except I kept thinking I’d been replied to, when I hadn’t. ;)

Edited: It’s in Youth Ministry, not Christian Education.

[Greg Long] I was gone all last week counseling at Jr. Boys Camp so I’m catching up on things now.

* I like the new posts feature.

* I’m still getting multiple emails for the same post of the threads I have subscribed to. In other words, if Aaron (or someone else) posts a response I’m getting two and sometimes three emails in my inbox for that post. But it doesn’t happen every time for every post. Again, I don’t know if it’s because he edited it or what.
I like the new posts too…and it is kinda nice actually to have several recent posts listed under a thread title, to see what may have been missed.

I too am getting multiple listings in the emails. But not always. Not sure what the deciding factor is, whether it is duplicated or not. And when I click on the link in the email, it always takes me to the front page of that thread instead of the post that is listed.

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

I just posted in ladies forum and put a verse reference in there, and found that it linked to the text for me! Neato!!! :D

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

I’ve added multiple notifications problem to the known issues list. Once my subscriptions started working, they started working double or triple as well!

So we’re researching that.

For those who like the aggregator approach: should be possible soon to make the “new posts” page available as rss feeds. So those who want it that way can, and those who like to come to the new posts page can do that.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

I’ve noticed that when a new thread is started, it doesn’t show up in “New Threads” or the Foundry until a comment is made. Can this be tweaked? Otherwise, the only visibility a new thread topic gets is if a person scrolls down through the forum page…not sure how many do this. Just a thot.

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

Just so I’m clear…. where is “New Threads” ? I’m not sure I know where you mean for that one.

You’re right though that threads w/o comments do not yet show in Foundry or the New Posts page.

It’s on the do-list.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

[Aaron Blumer] Just so I’m clear…. where is “New Threads” ? I’m not sure I know where you mean for that one.

You’re right though that threads w/o comments do not yet show in Foundry or the New Posts page.

It’s on the do-list.
I’m sorry. I meant New Posts. Thanks for being gracious. Pardon me for addressing something that has apparently already been brought up.

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

There is a now a view of new threads in Foundry… what it does is display only threads that don’t have any comments… so it’s entitled “Threads Awaiting Comment”

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

[Aaron Blumer] There is a now a view of new threads in Foundry… what it does is display only threads that don’t have any comments… so it’s entitled “Threads Awaiting Comment”
Your picture really ought to be on bubble gum cards, you know. :)

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

Well, Drupal really is an excellent tool. It’s not without its critics and it has shortcomings, but I think the whole gang of developers over there ought to be on bubble gum cards, especially the module contributers who built Views, Advanced Forum, and several other add-on tools we use heavily here. Both Blogroll and Foundry are completely Views-dependent.

It’s been fun… but we’ll probably not be adding features for a while now. Have to catch up on other stuff.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

Aaron, I think the multiple email notifications for thread subscriptions is definitely related to editing posts. I posted something and edited it twice, and received a total of three emails in my inbox.

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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)

Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA

Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University

It seems like my Logos plugin randomly resets to the NKJV and I’m not sure why. Anyone else running into this problem?

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

[Jay C] It seems like my Logos plugin randomly resets to the NKJV and I’m not sure why. Anyone else running into this problem?
Perhaps, unbeknownst to you, your computer is KJVO. :bigsmile:

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

And it would explain these subtle promptings of the Spirit to reformat my hard drive. :D

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

I’m seeing this also, Jay… (settings revert to NKJV). NKJV is currently the site default so it probably has something to do with that. It me simply be an incorrect config. setting. Will check it out soon.

Greg: on multiple notificaitons.. I’ve also seen that edits seem to generate new notifications. Haven’t quite been able to pin down whether I consistently only get one if I don’t edit, though. Are you able to verify that if you post and don’t edit the post only one notif. goes out?

That would be a huge clue to tracking down the bug. Probably has something to do with some of the special stuff we’ve got in place to allow time-limited post editing… or just a bug in the notificaitons module.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

[Aaron Blumer] I’m seeing this also, Jay… (settings revert to NKJV). NKJV is currently the site default so it probably has something to do with that. It me simply be an incorrect config. setting. Will check it out soon.

Greg: on multiple notificaitons.. I’ve also seen that edits seem to generate new notifications. Haven’t quite been able to pin down whether I consistently only get one if I don’t edit, though. Are you able to verify that if you post and don’t edit the post only one notif. goes out?

That would be a huge clue to tracking down the bug. Probably has something to do with some of the special stuff we’ve got in place to allow time-limited post editing… or just a bug in the notificaitons module.
I am not Bro Greg, nor would I aspire to such greatness :) , but I checked through my subscription notifications, and this idea (that the multiples are stemming from how many revisions) seems to bear itself out. The posts I know went up w/o a hitch were flagged with one notification, while the ones I edited have multiples in the body of the notification email. A telling thing would be to ask Bob T how many times he revised his comment on the “Recovering Legalist” thread…his comment 1373 came through duplicated 4 times in the email I received yesterday at 9:24 am my time (Mtn). And, I edited this one once to include the item below, so that ought to be reflected in this same way if we are suspecting correctly.

FWIW, My default translation seems to be NIV. That was what appeared in the little box prior to my attempting to change it, then I clicked ESV and “save”…the next time I logged in, there was “NIV” in the little box again. hmmmmmmmmmmm….

"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com

[Diane Heeney] FWIW, My default translation seems to be NIV. That was what appeared in the little box prior to my attempting to change it, then I clicked ESV and “save”…the next time I logged in, there was “NIV” in the little box again. hmmmmmmmmmmm….
It’s an evil conspiracy to get fundamentalists to use a watered-down translation.

No, actually, it’s an unfortunately interface quirk. It always says NIV, but when you hover over a reference, it should show the translation you saved. I’ll post an issue w/the module developer. I’m sure he’ll tweak it shortly. What it ought to do is say “please select” there…. or better yet, display your actual choice after you save it.

Edit: correction… looks like it saves & shows your chosen translation, but eventually reverts for some reason. I’m asking the Reftagger Module folks for help.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

“nrambeck” has updated the Reftagger module, so now your chosen translation should save and stay saved (or should I say “persevere”). And your Bible Options control panel should display the version you have saved.

Note on multiple notifications: I’m pretty confident now also that multiple notif’s usually only go out if a post gets edited. I think that’s not really a bug, it’s a just a feature we don’t especially like. So I’ve put in a feature request to see if we can get either a site-wide switch to turn off edit notifications or a per-user setting so you can get ‘em if you want ‘em.

Not sure which, or either, will be to the the liking of the module developers. Will post when I know more.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.