Baptist Preacher Blasts Congregant During Sermon for Sleeping; 'Hissy Fit' Goes Viral

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Ron Bean's picture

Is there a fundamentalist version of the Stockholm Syndrome that causes people to stay in ministries like this?

Been there, done that. And I wear my tee shirt to church.

BTW, this type of pastoral abuse is not as rare as we'd like it to be.

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

Doug Flynn's picture

"Wish you'd stop bein' so good to me, Cap'n."

JohnBrian's picture

I wrote this in the contact form on the church's website:

"I saw the video of the rant that Pastor Standridge engaged in on May 19th. That alone should disqualify him from continuing as your pastor."

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Dave Doran's picture

How did folks come to the conclusion that this was a fundamentalist church? I tried to find something that would say that or indicate that at the church's website, but I couldn't find anything. I did see that they have a woman who is a ministry/ministerial associate and with a position described in a way that I've never seen at a fundamentalist church.

I am not denying he is, but wondering if that is a confirmed point or if he is some kind of Lone Ranger guy with quirks all his own. Anybody know?

 

Added edit:

Guess if I would read the article better I would have seen that the pastor describes himself this, "an old sovereign grace Baptist with the soul of a Pentecostal." 

 

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Donn R Arms's picture

Have to cut this guy some slack. It is probably a southern, blue collar kind of church where this kind of thing is endearing. It is a cultural thing. We ought not to let the sensibilities of our own milieu color our view. We are just looking in and were not present and part of the congregation.

I recall several occasions when Paul Tassell did the same thing at Grandview Park Baptist, and his people loved him dearly.

Donn R Arms

dgszweda's picture

Dave, I would say that he isn't a fundamentalist in the terms of the IFB circle.  But you must look at StuffFundieslike with a grain of salt.  They group a lot of stuff together as fundamentalism, which when dug further isn't even fundamentalist, but maybe even charismatic or other type of things.

Ken Woodard's picture

He seems to be rather comfortable with his message. Like it is a regular event. Which would not be culturally acceptable. But Paul addressed some people in his epistles rather sternly too.

 

Maybe we could have a poll of the preachers here:

1. Have you ever done this in church?

2. Have you ever done this in your office while preparing a sermon?

3. Have you ever done this in the car alone on your way home after church?

4. I always have control of myself

5. My people never frustrate me. They have never done anything like the people that were being confronted on the video.

 

I'll admit to being guilty of doing number 3. 

C. D. Cauthorne Jr.'s picture

One of them Five-Point Calvinists!  Absolutely no compassion! 

 

(stated jokingly -- as long as we're stereotyping independent Baptists based on this guy, we might as well go all the way)

Larry's picture

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Have to cut this guy some slack. It is probably a southern, blue collar kind of church where this kind of thing is endearing. It is a cultural thing. We ought not to let the sensibilities of our own milieu color our view. We are just looking in and were not present and part of the congregation.

So Donn, you are suggesting there is a culture where this kind of stuff fits the biblical image of a shepherd such as revealed in 1 Peter 5:1-4?

 

Jim Welch's picture

I saw this video after studying III John 9-11 with our church family.  The pastor in this video is a modern day Diotrephes!  In no culture would his actions from the pulpit represent a servant of Jesus Christ.  His behavior contradicts the sweet counsel of Paul to Timothy in II Timothy 2:24-26 and the final word on leadership from Jesus in Mark 10:42-45.  The man in this video is totally unfit to be a pastor of a New Testament church.

TimNT's picture

Doug you caused me laugh out loud when I read your cool hand Luke comment. Smile

Joel Tetreau's picture

As I most often do - I totally agree with Jim Welch here. Diotrephes at the end of 3 John is a great comparison.

Good Call Jim!

Straight Ahead!

jt

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Todd Bowditch's picture

Donn R Arms wrote:

Have to cut this guy some slack. It is probably a southern, blue collar kind of church where this kind of thing is endearing. It is a cultural thing. We ought not to let the sensibilities of our own milieu color our view. We are just looking in and were not present and part of the congregation.

I recall several occasions when Paul Tassell did the same thing at Grandview Park Baptist, and his people loved him dearly.

 

Donn, I cannot "cut this guy slack"... he is abusing his responsibility as a shepherd to build up his church with Scripture. He is demonstrating, in my opinion, that he is unfit for pastoral ministry. There is no grace present in his words or actions. He was interviewed by FoxNews and he indicated that he often yells at his congregation because that's the way that he handles things.

I don't think it matters whether or not his congregation has come to accept this as the norm...it's sinful.

May Christ Be Magnified - Philippians 1:20 Todd Bowditch

DLCreed's picture

Donn R Arms wrote:

Have to cut this guy some slack. It is probably a southern, blue collar kind of church where this kind of thing is endearing. It is a cultural thing. We ought not to let the sensibilities of our own milieu color our view. We are just looking in and were not present and part of the congregation.

I recall several occasions when Paul Tassell did the same thing at Grandview Park Baptist, and his people loved him dearly.

 

I grew up in an abusive church like this and I literally broke out in a sweat as I watched it.  Yes, it is a lot like the Stockholm Syndrome.  The passive aggressive "I beat you/I love you", the forced confession of appreciation for the abuse in public, the swagger -- it was all there.  There's another word to describe this "church" that begins with a "c" -- "Cult" (not to mention "crazy" and "controlling".)

Donn -- As someone from the South and from a Blue Collar background, let me tell you there is a whole lot of other unBiblical behavior (like racism) that is a "cultural thang" and it is also equally wicked. 

I wish I had known then what I know now.  I would have stomped out of more than one church service (at various churches) and done so loudly.

This guy does NOT have the Spirit of Christ....

 

PhilKnight's picture

Donn R Arms wrote:

Have to cut this guy some slack. It is probably a southern, blue collar kind of church where this kind of thing is endearing. It is a cultural thing. We ought not to let the sensibilities of our own milieu color our view. We are just looking in and were not present and part of the congregation.

I recall several occasions when Paul Tassell did the same thing at Grandview Park Baptist, and his people loved him dearly.

Unless  this man is joking or  suffering from some sort of dementia, there is absolutely no context under which we should "cut this guy some slack."   He violates not merely the "sensibilities of our milieu"; he violates the spirit of Christlike love and humility that should characterize any minister of the gospel.   If this sort of egomaniacal pulpit manner is "endearing" to the people in his church, it is because of one or both of the following: (a) he is appealing to the cruel part of their sin nature that finds pleasure in hearing people subjected to public ridicule and humiliation; (b) he is manipulating some craven desire of his people to submit parts of their lives to his authority that are outside his legitimate purview as a pastor.   In fact, I'd be tempted to say to that anyone who finds this "endearing": "You know not what spirit you are of!"

This sort of "leadership" isn't exclusive to the south.  (Just ask the folks in Hammond, Indiana.)  The tactics of Jack Hyles are alive and well.

Philip Knight

Ron Bean's picture

All I can say is "me too" and I'm glad that it's all in my rear view mirror.

And they aren't all from the Hyles's camp. Some hold degrees (earned and honorary) from respected fundamentalist schools and are contributing factors to the exodus of our younger generation.

It may not be you or me, but the a lot of spectators think we're related to them.

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan