"When will the ESV grow up? I am perplexed with this unending series of revisions!"

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Paul J. Scharf's picture

...and seems to defy logic.

If the changes are not that significant, it would seem wiser to leave it alone.

As one who has recently started using the ESV a fair amount (MacArthur Study Bible), this is certainly another reason for me to continue to consider the NKJV as my primary English text.

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Jim's picture

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How do I use my old ESV in class when it differs now in over a thousand verses with the new ESVs in my students’ hands?

Ever Pastor or teacher experiences this very same issue every time the Word is taught. It's probably more of an issue in a church than in a seminary classroom. If you teach take an informal poll sometime: Who has the KJV? NIV? ESV? etc.

I didn't see anything by way of significant change in the 27 pages

Paul J. Scharf's picture

from basing or building a lot on the ESV.

If you really wanted everyone to be on the same page (no pun intended) in a classroom -- for memorization, etc. -- you would have to have everyone buy the same ESV like a textbook, or else print it out, which would sort of defeat the purpose of promoting the ESV as your primary text to begin with.

The fact that the changes are not significant begs the question -- why mess around with it??

(P.S. -- I have noted several of these types of minor changes in various NKJV texts, but to my knowledge they have never done anything like this, and I hope they never get the idea to do a "NEW NKJV" as a sales booster. That would be a serious mistake, IMHO.)

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mounty's picture

Patience, everyone. There was another earlier translation of the Bible that took 158 years to settle, remember?

mounty's picture

Awesome! You know, if I chose my Bible like I chose my operating systems, I'd have to wait until the first "service pack" to the ESV came out in 2007.

Jay's picture

It's not a bug....it's a FEATURE!

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

David R. Brumbelow's picture

Just stay with the NKJV.
David R. Brumbelow

SBashoor's picture

Dr. Bill Barrick at Master's Seminary cautioned all of us years ago when ESV first came out that we shouldn't rush to change our pew Bibles. He said we should wait to so how many and what kind of revisions the committees would make in the subsequent years. He's not down on the version, just mindful that in the early years of a version, changes are bound to come. In fact, he was involved in some stages of the translation, as was Dr. Mike Grisanti.

I've noticed the differences in my classes, though probably not as much as Varner has.

BTW, has anyone else seen the ESV with Apocyrpha? It's only available through Oxford Press. It's an evangelical translation of the books, all appended after Revelation.

M. Scott Bashoor Happy Slave of Christ

Jay's picture

Does anyone know if there's a way to put together the new ESV changes in a Word document or in something other than that website? I wanted to read them, but the fake book format is making me crazy and is unprintable.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Aaron Blumer's picture

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I don't use ESV a great deal, so I don't really "have a dog in the fight" but.... perusing the changes, I have to say that my impression is that ESV keeps getting better.
On the other hand, you never know what sort of direction they might go down the road, and there are disadvantages to all these adjustments. Most of them would exist anyway in the typical congregation where people are not all using the same translation to begin with.

Matthew Richards's picture

This doesn't trouble me one bit. I really don't see what the kerfuffle is all about. Attempt to live whatever Bible version you are currently using and all will be well.

Matthew

James K's picture

One more reason why you should just change to the Holman CSB.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Rob H's picture

Make a batch of stickers on your computer. Print 'em and pass out to your congregation to put inside the cover of their ESV.

"Note: This ESV text may contain terminology and phraseology hazardous to human communication. Caution is advised while teaching, studying or discussing material in this product. Examining context and reference material may suffice to mitigate related issues such as head-banging, fist-shaking and un-brotherly tongue-flapping."

Or, teach a class on what they're doing with the ESV so the people can at least have an idea of what's going on. It's still the Bible, right? Or is it a failed translation that needs to be disposed of and replaced by something else?

Paul J. Scharf's picture

Rob H wrote:
Or, teach a class on what they're doing with the ESV so the people can at least have an idea of what's going on. It's still the Bible, right? Or is it a failed translation that needs to be disposed of and replaced by something else?

It is still the Bible, but if the ESV wants to become the predominant, standard English text of the Bible for the evangelical world -- something it seems to be at least on the verge of becoming -- this seems like a really silly way of doing business.

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