New Partnership Between Northland And Project 14 Global Missions

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Jim's picture

http://p14gm.org/savenorthland/donate

We are pleased to announce that Northland Ministries, located in Northeast Wisconsin, has agreed to transition the leadership of the Northland Campus in Dunbar, WI to Project 14 Global Missions, effective immediately. This is contingent on raising enough funds, before July 23, 2015, to satisfy current creditors. This will allow P14GM to begin the next exciting Northland chapter. Project 14 Global Missions is a ministry-minded, mission agency, located in Charlotte, North Carolina, that equips Christian leaders, establishes churches, and provides quality education and resource to strengthen and encourage God’s people to reach others with the gospel of the grace of God. P14GM wants to utilize this northern Wisconsin facility for the purpose of advancing missions worldwide, operating a Christian camp ministry that supports our international One Life Christian Camps, and exploring the future educational potential for a Leadership and Biblical Studies Institute.

Aaron Blumer's picture

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Never heard of Project14 I don't think, but a scan of their doctrinal statement--at least the online version--shows belief in the fundamentals of the faith, though it seems "dumbed down." I hope they have a more complete statement somewhere. No idea where they fit on the charismatic gifts spectrum. There is literally no mention of the Holy Spirit.

Still, it looks like a gospel-spreading effort and it's good to see the prospect of the property getting some good use.

Chuck Rawsthorne's picture

Jeff Kahl is the Executive Director of P14 Global and for those that know his ministry background, he was on staff and camp director of Northland Camp and then at Camp CoBeAc before being led to work for P14.  I would think with his background and experience, coupled with his heart and desire for camp and missions, that this could wonderfully be used by the Lord to use the facilities for continued gospel ministry at Northland.

 

Chuck R

CRR

Jay's picture

Aaron Blumer wrote:

Never heard of Project14 I don't think, but a scan of their doctrinal statement--at least the online version--shows belief in the fundamentals of the faith, though it seems "dumbed down." I hope they have a more complete statement somewhere. No idea where they fit on the charismatic gifts spectrum. There is literally no mention of the Holy Spirit.

Still, it looks like a gospel-spreading effort and it's good to see the prospect of the property getting some good use.

I worked for a little while at Northland Camp under Jeff.  I don't think that there will be any issues with either Charismaticism or the Trinity.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Joel Tetreau's picture

It's good news to see ministry at Northland moving forward. To see Northland continue with it's camping ministry and missions is very consistent with everything Northland has stood for over the decades of ministry. It's sad (and telling) to see some of you assume the worst with Northland on the occasions of each potential change or adjustment, as the ministry continues through these days of transition - just because of certain disagreements you had in the closing chapters of the learning institution.

It's OK that some of you have (and continue to have) disagreements towards Northland, however too many have been sinful in their continued animosity and bitterness towards our dear brothers in Dunbar just because the ministry there has ended up in a different denominational footing than your own. Many of you need to grow up. 

Looking forward to seeing God continue to do great things in Dunbar and around the globe.

Straight Ahead!

jt

Dr. Joel Tetreau serves as Senior Pastor, Southeast Valley Bible Church (sevbc.org); Regional Coordinator for IBL West (iblministry.com), Board Member & friend for several different ministries;

DavidO's picture

Dr. T. 

I don't see anyone assuming the worst in this thread.  Do you?  

 

It's a bit of a bellyflop, though, not to articulate trinitarianism in your distilled doctrinal statement.   That's all.

Brian Dempsey's picture

I worked under Jeff Kahl for two Summers while a student at Northland (2000-2001), and enjoyed serving under him. He's a "camp guy." It that sense, the camp aspect of this ministry should thrive. He had great attention to detail (to the point of irritation for overworked, underpaid, and tired camp staff...but that's sort of what you sign up for), and his heart to see campers change for Christ was encouraging, especially during some of those long weeks with Junior High boys... I don't really know about the other plans listed on the website (Bible Institute, grad programs for pastors, etc). These seem a little outside his wheelhouse, but I am assuming other staff would be brought on at this point. I haven't kept in contact with Mr. Kahl, but I would assume that he would still be theologically and practically where Northland was under Dr. O. I'm good with that. Its not where I am personally, but I have a great deal of respect for those who are "more conservative" (or less conservative for that matter) than I am, but who don't hold it up as a badge of spirituality. I never sensed that in Doc O. I pastor an Independent Baptist Church (kind of waffles between fundamental and conservative evangelical), attend a doctoral program at Southern, and would love to see Northland succeed in this. I always regretted not getting up there for family camp before it closed. I guess we'll see what happens.

 

Brian Dempsey
Pastor, WBC
I Cor. 10:31

 

Andrew K's picture

DavidO wrote:

Dr. T. 

I don't see anyone assuming the worst in this thread.  Do you?  

 

It's a bit of a bellyflop, though, not to articulate trinitarianism in your distilled doctrinal statement.   That's all.

I don't think much of distilled doctrinal statements in general. Not to throw water on many of my friends who are very optimistic about this, but... I'm not. Don't want to go into any details. Let's just call it a hunch.

Don Johnson's picture

Jim wrote:

This is contingent on raising enough funds, before July 23, 2015, to satisfy current creditors. 

What's "enough funds"?

Enough =

Jeff Kahl, Executive Director for P14GM, has been appointed the onsite Executive Director for Northland Ministries to navigate strategic planning for the future. His current priority is to get the “friends of Northland” to eliminate the $1.2 million dollars of current debt.

See here for full release.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Jim's picture

Who set that deadline?

before July 23, 2015,

What happens if less than $ 1.2 M is raised? If that amount is the deal breaker .... what happens to if $ 1.1 M is raised? Funds returned to donors?

Too many unanswered questions!

kuiper530's picture

I have been looking around on Guidestar looking for Camp CoBeAc  recorded financials for the past few hours and can't make any headway. I know CoBeAc is owned by the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of Michigan but can't find any records on them. Anyone else know how to look them up?  I would be interested in comparing Kahl's financial success at CoBeAc before donating money. Also I really wish the Sword of the Lord paper thing would have grown up into a credible publication arm of fundamentalism. People have questions and it would be nice to have credible reporters doing the work for and making the information known. I would love to see Kahl's organization be properly vetted by a credible news source before making a monetary decision, but fundamentalism doesn't have anything like that.  

Don Johnson's picture

And perhaps Kahl will be able to provide answers.

But I don't get the gratuitous dig "fundamentalism doesn't have anything like that". It seems uncalled for. SI could call and ask those questions and report the answers they get. Doesn't matter who does it. I'll give it some effort myself, but I am in a situation this weekend that will preclude getting to it as quickly as I could wish.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Jim's picture

Don Johnson wrote:

But I don't get the gratuitous dig "fundamentalism doesn't have anything like that". It seems uncalled for.

You are being to tough on the  poster. My take on his comment is that Fundyland does not have an equivalent of the Evangelical Council of Financial Accountability

Some ministries are upfront about their finances, but most are not. Instead one must research using Guidestar. I myself could not find Project 14 on Guidestar

AND the 990 approach is always about 2 years old. 

Don Johnson wrote:

SI could call and ask those questions and report the answers they get. 

I may if I have time

Jim's picture

Subject: Questions about the Northland project

  • Who are the creditors? Amounts?
  • What is special about the July 23, 2015 deadline? What happens if it is missed? Who set that date?
  • What happens if less than the $ 1.2 M is raised and the deadline passes? Would the monies be returned to donors? Or how would the monies be used

Thanks

Jim Peet

Jim's picture

Good afternoon, Jim, 

 

Thank you for taking the time to search us out. The creditors that will need to be satisfied soon can be found at this link: http://p14gm.org/savenorthland/faqs. July 23 is the deadline that was set by the Northland board of directors as 3 weeks from the date of the press release, which was this past Thursday, July 2. If the deadline is not met, meaning that the total $1.2 million is not raised, then the monies would be returned to the donors. 

 

I hope this adds some clarity to your questions. Please feel free to contact me at this email with any further questions you may have. 

 

Blessings, 

Karen Lucas

Executive Assistant 

Project 14 Global Missions 

 

info@p14gm.org  l www.p14gm.org l 980.245.2027

Jay's picture

Q: Where does P14GM line up with traditional fundamentalism/Christianity?

A: P14GM is a not-for-profit 501(c)3 charitable organization, unaffiliated, and traditionally conservative in relationship to Baptist polity and fundamental distinctives. We believe in institutional conservatism and individual liberty practicing deference, love, and non-judgmentalism toward those who may differ. We desire to equally apply 'truth' and 'grace' generously in our life applications while being firmly rooted in biblical principles.

Can I just note that it is incredibly discouraging to me that I have now seen two calls for the 'restoration' of 'traditional' fundamentalism / 'old' Northland through the P14GM organization?  Are we really about Christianity and the Fundamentals, or are really after the re-establishment of a specific kind of religious and social culture?

Maybe I'm reading too much into those remarks (one via FB yesterday, and the above), but man, it seems like people have this idea that you can't be a "Fundamentalist" (whatever that means anymore) without culottes, conservative music, and the King James.

And as for 'non-judgmentalism towards those who may differ' - well, we'll see about that.  It's pretty obvious that if you aren't a "traditional / conservative Fundamentalist", you're in error from what I have read over the years.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Jim's picture

kuiper530 wrote:
I know CoBeAc is owned by the Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of Michigan but can't find any records on them. Anyone else know how to look them up? 

http://www.cobeac.org/about-us/history/

In 1959, a group of churches purchased a large piece of land located in Prudenville, MI and started what would become Camp CoBeAc. With a few cabins, a dining hall, and a chapel, CoBeAc was used of the Lord as a place for youth groups all over the state to come and use for their summer camp. Camp CoBeAc is owned and operated by the Independent Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of Michigan (IFBF) and has been serving thousands of individuals from churches across the Great Lakes region for over 50 years.

Jim's picture

https://unknowing.wordpress.com/2015/07/06/northland-undead/

I wish they had let the funeral go on. This has done violence to my expectations. Why can’t we let Northland rest in peace? Why are people traversing the land and spending time and energy keeping the thing out of its well-earned rightful grave?

This comes of overachieving on enthusiasm. Project 14 is what the latest posse of graduates to the rescue is called, I gather, and has a slogan which tells me what I need to know.

“The goal of Project 14 Global Missions is to reach the world with the Gospel starting in Nicaragua.”

After lots of prayer and consideration we felt the Lord leading us to begin reaching the world through Nicaragua, instead of a place with a major airport. And Dunbar.

Is it the facilities? Too hard to resist letting go of all that solid campground property? Here is a beautiful facility in the middle of nowhere and what a shame to let to go to a productive turkey farm. Because we need solid camp ministries in a location that is an ordeal to reach, and of course solid conferences held in northern Wisconsin in January, and above all a solid graduate program far from any polluting legitimate academic endeavor.

Jim Barnes's picture

I agree with those who don't see this proposal as a good idea. I realize it would be a great real estate bargain, and would place Northland's property back under fundamental Baptist control, but there are other areas to consider. Northland's funeral will have to go on, and the signs at the campus entrance will need to be changed. Let's pray for God's will in this matter.

JimD's picture

From Jeff Kahl's FB page posted 7/13/2015 PM

"Today, we got news that one bill of $419,000 bill will be reduced to $205,000 if we get the money quickly.  Will you help and send your pledge today? Every dollar raised from today will be worth double the amount given! (The reason is we won't have to pay the whole amount of we meet the target timeframe)."

 

http://p14gm.org/home

JimD

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