Franklin Graham Urges Buttigieg to Repent and Rejects Idea of ‘Gay Christian’

"Evangelist Franklin Graham is pushing back against comments by Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, a gay man who has made faith a major part of his campaign." - Christian Headlines

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G. N. Barkman's picture

Once again, Franklin Graham openly defends Biblical Christianity without concern for the attacks from the liberal media which are sure to follow.  I have long realized that Franklin has much more courage than his father.

G. N. Barkman

GregH's picture

Yes Graham is quite willing to call liberals sinners. He is not so interested in pointing out the sins of his alt god Donald Trump. 

He is pathetic.

G. N. Barkman's picture

GregH, I understand where you are coming from because of previous comments on SI.  I have no interest in defending the many sins of Donald Trump, nor in claiming Trump as a fellow Christian.  From what I have seen, neither does Franklin Graham.  

What Graham did recently, is call out an openly gay politician who claims to be a Christian, and also claims that God made him gay and approves of his gay lifestyle and gay marriage.  That is a direct and public attack on Biblical Christianity, something I am not aware of Trump doing.  That is what Graham denounced.  If Trump does something similar, I expect Graham to publicly censor Trump as well.  Far from being pathetic, Graham has shown himself courageous.  May God protect and uphold him.  We need voices like his that will speak out for Biblical truth in the public arena.

G. N. Barkman

GregH's picture

We will have to disagree. Homosexuality is of course one of the pet sins of evangelicals but I think Trump has hurt Christianity far more than Buttigieg with his own plethora of sins. Yet, Graham fawns over him and defends him like a girl does for her junior high crush. Yes, the media has noticed the hypocrisy and they are very right to point it out.

TylerR's picture

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If Franklin Graham hadn't wedded himself to a particular politician and become a "court evangelical," he wouldn't be facing charges of hypocrisy. He should have stayed out of the political sphere, and focused on evangelism. His meeting promo material often comes with the American flag displayed on front. He positions himself as an American, Christian nationalist - rather than a Christian ambassador for the coming Kingdom of God. 

I appreciate his comments about homosexuality, but he undermines himself by every move he makes to frame himself as an American nationalist Christian. 

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

G. N. Barkman's picture

GregH, it would appear that you are dodging the issue.  Saying Trump has hurt Christianity more than Buttigieg with his many sins is a judgment call, a subjective opinion.  What I said, specifically, is that Trump has not, to my knowledge, paraded his sins as acceptable and normal Christianity.  That's what Buttigieg has done by saying that God made him gay, and that his gay marriage is condoned by God.  For Trump to do something similar, he would have to say that God made him an adulterer, and that his sexual immorality is OK with God.  Has Trump said anything like that?  Has Franklin Graham said anything like that in defense of Trump?

I agree with Tyler that Graham should separate himself from direct political involvement.  But denouncing a frontal attack on God and the Bible, as Buttigieg did, is exactly what Christians should do, but it takes courage to do it.  I'm thankful that Graham was willing to stand up and be counted.

G. N. Barkman

GregH's picture

I don't think Trump has to say what you say he would have to say to be evil enough for Graham to confront. I think he is quite evil enough, at least as evil as Buttigieg.

After Trump was exposed in the Mueller report as dishonest and crooked, where was Graham with his condemnation then?

Again, the fawning of Graham and Falwell and that crowd is sick and I despise it. I will never donate to Samaritan's Purse again. I will not encourage my kids to go to Liberty either. That is how strongly I feel about this. Graham and those like him are hypocrites. 

dgszweda's picture

I think what Greg is stating, rightly so, is that Trump consistently says things like he "has a great relationship with God", and portrays himself as a Christian, while at the same time sinning blatantly (i.e. lying, not treating others as Scripture dictates...).  Franklin Graham is an ardent supporter of Trump because he is blinded by his belief that Trump is a "defender of Christians".  He is willing to call out Buttigieg because that is a pet issue for Christians, while failing to recognize the blatant sin around others that he supports.  Sin is sin.  His comments steer less mature Christians in doing things like supporting Trump and rejecting Butigieg.  This is not a theocracy, and having a super Christian as president is not going to turn around this country or make it anymore acceptable to God.

G. N. Barkman's picture

I'm not saying Buttigieg is a greater sinner than Trump.  Only God is qualified to make that judgment.  I'm saying that Buttigieg is claiming that his sin of homosexual conduct and gay marriage are OK with God.  I've never heard Trump claim that his adultery and carelessness with facts are condoned by God.  That is a large and significant difference.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  When Trump claims his adultery is condoned by God, I will denounce him, and I would expect Franklin Graham to do so as well.

G. N. Barkman

Paul Henebury's picture

I understand what you're saying.  You have a good point.

Does Buttigieg support gay marriage?  Abortion (at any trimester)?  Illegal immigration?  

Look, the issue is not really about who's the bigger hypocrite in claiming to follow Christ.  It's about whose policies best line up with a Christian ethic 

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

GregH's picture

G. N. Barkman wrote:

I'm not saying Buttigieg is a greater sinner than Trump.  Only God is qualified to make that judgment.  I'm saying that Buttigieg is claiming that his sin of homosexual conduct and gay marriage are OK with God.  I've never heard Trump claim that his adultery and carelessness with facts are condoned by God.  That is a large and significant difference.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  When Trump claims his adultery is condoned by God, I will denounce him, and I would expect Franklin Graham to do so as well.

So Trump can do whatever he wants but you won't denounce him unless he claims it is sanctioned by God? What is your basis for that? Does your Bible say not to denounce sin unless the sinner claims that God sanctions his sin?

I will say this one more time. Christians that held their nose and voted for Trump are OK by me. On the other hand, Christians like Falwell and Graham that excuse anything Trump does and give him cover because of his politics are hypocrites. 

Paul Henebury's picture

I sympathize with that last paragraph

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

dcbii's picture

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GregH wrote:

I will say this one more time. Christians that held their nose and voted for Trump are OK by me. On the other hand, Christians like Falwell and Graham that excuse anything Trump does and give him cover because of his politics are hypocrites. 

I'm pretty sure that most here at SI agree with this, though there are certainly plenty of never-Trumpers here too.  There may be some big-time Trump supporters on SI, but if there are, they hide it pretty well.

Dave Barnhart

dgszweda's picture

G. N. Barkman wrote:

I'm not saying Buttigieg is a greater sinner than Trump.  Only God is qualified to make that judgment.  I'm saying that Buttigieg is claiming that his sin of homosexual conduct and gay marriage are OK with God.  I've never heard Trump claim that his adultery and carelessness with facts are condoned by God.  That is a large and significant difference.  Why is this so difficult to understand?  When Trump claims his adultery is condoned by God, I will denounce him, and I would expect Franklin Graham to do so as well.

I would argue that when Trump states, "he has a great relationship with God", in light of his behavior, he is in essence stating that God condones his behavior.  Yes, it isn't quite being as direct as Buttigieg, but he is making the exact same argument.  You can only have a great relationship with God, when you are regenerate and living in a right relationship, anything less than that, destroys the image of a Holy and Righteous God.  It isn't that Franklin is silent on Trump, instead he praises Trump and supports him.

Joeb's picture

As usual the Christian Right Trumpeteers are HYPOCRITES big time ie Graham and Jerry Falwell Jr. .  That’s why I’m an Independent now. Look the other way when their favorites sin and let  the Liberals have it. Also Mainline Churches and/or other Christian Churches.  

Kinda like Jerry Falwell Jr hiring the Former Baylor Athletic Director who was fired from Baylor for looking the other way while the Baylor Football Team Players drugged and gang raped female Students.  Figures.    Oh yeah that’s right he repented even though he did something directly job related.  I don’t ever want to hear from this crowd about Federal Gov Employees or Public School Teachers.  

Also just like the SBC Churches knowingly rehiring Child Sex Perp Pastors. .  Shame on them. They should not be making a peep about anyone for a while including BJU other Christian institutions who have had scandals.   Kinda like Michele Duggar robo calls saying Transgenders are child sex perps while knowing full well her son was one. Seems Greg H is spot on.   

Wait that Whitehouse Attorney lied.  Anyone taking good notes is a liar.  Yeah Sarah Huckabee Sanders only made a slip of the tongue when she said that the FBI Agents told her they didn’t like Comey.  Just a slip of the Toungue  

You know Daddy Huckabee just made a little slip  by commuting Extremely Viotent Offender Maurice Clemmons 112 year prison sentence in the face of everybody telling him not to do it.  Clemmons got saved so out of prison he goes. Clemmons who grew up in a good family was robbing people again 6 months out of prison.  After three years out of prison he raped a child and assassinated four Police Officers sitting in a cafe having lunch.  

If I did what Daddy Huckabee did  I sure would not be throwing any stones at anyone the rest of my life.  To tell you the truth I’d be very tempted to take my own life if a decision I made in the face opposition ended up harming people like that.  

Yet Daddy Huckabee is front and center criticizing everyone in support of Trump.  Just a little slip that cost 4 Police Officers their lives.  Just a little slip by his Daughter versus a BOLD FACE LIE.  Just like her boss Donald Trump.  Just a lot of little slips. 

DLCreed's picture

GregH wrote:

I don't think Trump has to say what you say he would have to say to be evil enough for Graham to confront. I think he is quite evil enough, at least as evil as Buttigieg.

After Trump was exposed in the Mueller report as dishonest and crooked, where was Graham with his condemnation then?

Again, the fawning of Graham and Falwell and that crowd is sick and I despise it. I will never donate to Samaritan's Purse again. I will not encourage my kids to go to Liberty either. That is how strongly I feel about this. Graham and those like him are hypocrites. 

I agree strongly with your accessment of Graham and his embrace of Trump and the damage it has caused the Gospel (and the plethora of other evangelical leaders who have done the same.)  I was just offer a word of caution before dismissing the whole of Liberty University because of the words of Jerry, Jr.  Let's just say that Jerry's love for all things Trump is not shared by many, perhaps even a "moral majority" of faculty members in several of the schools that comprise LU.  Jerry's political pragmatism and theological shallowness is not lost on many who are on the frontlines of the educational experiences at LU.

GregH's picture

DLCreed wrote:

 

GregH wrote:

 

I don't think Trump has to say what you say he would have to say to be evil enough for Graham to confront. I think he is quite evil enough, at least as evil as Buttigieg.

After Trump was exposed in the Mueller report as dishonest and crooked, where was Graham with his condemnation then?

Again, the fawning of Graham and Falwell and that crowd is sick and I despise it. I will never donate to Samaritan's Purse again. I will not encourage my kids to go to Liberty either. That is how strongly I feel about this. Graham and those like him are hypocrites. 

 

 

I agree strongly with your accessment of Graham and his embrace of Trump and the damage it has caused the Gospel (and the plethora of other evangelical leaders who have done the same.)  I was just offer a word of caution before dismissing the whole of Liberty University because of the words of Jerry, Jr.  Let's just say that Jerry's love for all things Trump is not shared by many, perhaps even a "moral majority" of faculty members in several of the schools that comprise LU.  Jerry's political pragmatism and theological shallowness is not lost on many who are on the frontlines of the educational experiences at LU.

Thank you. It is good to hear there is some sense of sanity still there.

David R. Brumbelow's picture

“Mayor Buttigieg says he’s a gay Christian,” Graham wrote. “As a Christian, I believe the Bible which defines homosexuality as sin, something to be repentant of, not something to be flaunted, praised or politicized. The Bible says marriage is between a man & a woman – not two men, not two women.

“The core of the Christian faith is believing and following Jesus Christ, who God sent to be the Savior of the world – to save us from sin, to save us from hell, to save us from eternal damnation.”  -Franklin Graham

A sound, biblical statement.  I have great respect for Franklin Graham’s courage, convictions, evangelism. 

David R. Brumbelow

G. N. Barkman's picture

If Trump said, "I am an adulterous Christian" and claimed God's endorsement on that statement, he would be saying essentially the same thing as Buttigieg.  When Trump says he has a good relationship with God, who's to say he is not claiming confession of his sin, and claiming God's forgiveness?  I'm afraid the core issue has gotten lost in the mire of political mud slinging.  Is Trump really a Christian?  Who knows but God.  (My opinion is that he is not.)  Is Buttigieg a true Christian?  I find that hard to believe, given his public defense of openly and ongoing gay activity which he claims is endorsed by God.

Franklin Graham has never endorsed Trumps adultery.  If Trump ever claims that his adultery is OK with God, Graham should confront him publicly as he did Buttigieg.  The issue is not which of the two is the worse sinner.  The issue is which of the two is claiming God's approval for his sin.

G. N. Barkman

GregH's picture

So this is really the essence of your debate?

Christians should only denounce sin when the sinner claims that his sin is sanctioned by God.

Seriously? Where do you get this principle from? Did you apply this principle to Bill Clinton during his scandal? Or does it only apply when you agree with someone's politics?

 

 

GregH's picture

To answer my own question, yes there is a hypocritical double standard based on politics at least for Franklin Graham. Here are his own words (WSJ 1998):

Last week Mr. Clinton told 70 million Americans that his adulterous actions with Ms. Lewinsky were a “private” matter “between me, the two people I love the most–my wife and our daughter–and our God.”

But the God of the Bible says that what one does in private does matter. Mr. Clinton’s months-long extramarital sexual behavior in the Oval Office now concerns him and the rest of the world, not just his immediate family. If he will lie to or mislead his wife and daughter, those with whom he is most intimate, what will prevent him from doing the same to the American public?

Private conduct does have public consequences. Some of Mr. Clinton’s defenders present King David of the Bible, one of history’s great leaders, as an example as they call on us to forgive and forget the president’s moral failings. Since God pardoned David’s adulterous act with Bathsheba, the reasoning goes, we should similarly forgive Mr. Clinton.

But forgiveness is not the end of David’s story. Huge consequences followed immediately. The prophet Nathan confronted David with the news that while his life would be spared, the life of his child would be extinguished after just seven days on earth. Bathsheba’s husband and others were killed in an attempt to cover up the illicit affair. David, who confessed his sin when confronted by Nathan (perhaps God’s special prosecutor), also witnessed a bloody coup attempt by his own son, Absalom. He was never the same king.

The private acts of any person are never done in secret. God sees and judges all sin, and while He seeks to restore the offender with love and grace, He does not necessarily remove all the consequences of our sin. As a boy I remember my mother telling me of the consequences of sin. Like a boat, whose wake can capsize other boats, sin leaves a wake. Just look at how many have already been pulled under by the wake of the president’s sin: Mr. Clinton’s wife and daughter, Ms. Lewinsky, her parents, White House staff members, friends and supporters, public officials and an unwitting American public.

Mr. Clinton’s sin can be forgiven, but he must start by admitting to it and refraining from legalistic doublespeak. According to the Scripture, the president did not have an “inappropriate relationship” with Monica Lewinsky–he committed adultery. He didn’t “mislead” his wife and us–he lied.

Am I supposed to respect this kind of hypocrisy simply because Graham is supposedly on my side? I don't. He is a hypocrite.

Mike Harding's picture

Neither Trump nor Buttigeig show signs of regeneration.  Both are unbelievers, though both have deceived themselves in thinking they are believers.  Their policies are quite different, however.  

Pastor Mike Harding

Joeb's picture

The extreme Right accuses the left of moving the goal posts all the time.  That is exactly what Graham is doing with Trump just because he likes Trump. We don’t confront Trump about his Bimbos even when it was directly connected to his election as President and possibly a criminal act.  It’s a private matter when it comes to Trump but when it involves Bill Clinton then it’s not a private matter.

 Greg gave a perfect example where Graham is being a hypocrite.  Clinton’s transgressions did not tie as directly into him getting elected.  So what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.  Trump should discuss how he lied about his Bimbos and so should all of us.  According to Graham it is very relevant.  Trump should be held into account for his lies.  Trump lies all the time, but it’s okay for Graham and other Christian Trumpeteers.  This is my biggest point of contention with the Christian Right.  Do as I say not as I do.  Walk the talk.