The Regulative Principle - A Baptist Doctrine
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[David R. Brumbelow]It’s considered a Puritan principle, derived from Calvin and the Anabaptists in contradistinction to the Lutheran and Anglican “normative principle,” whereby things not forbidden are permitted. I don’t know where the particular term came from.Where and when did the actual term, “Regulative Principle,” come to be used? I noticed the ones quoted in the article did not use the term.
As far as every believer giving his Amen, that may be a good general rule. But if every believer has to give his Amen to a practice in Worship, then just one believer in the congregation can run things.
David R. Brumbelow
No, no one should be controlling anything, because the idea is to remove control over the worship service from men altogether. E.g., perhaps someone may not want to say “Amen” because they don’t like a particular song. But if the song is doctrinally correct and appropriate to a congregational context, all grounds for objection from Scripture on conscience are gone. It’s simply a matter of personal preference, which is not a reasonable objection. Only what is instituted by Scripture or “good and necessary consequence thereof,” is permitted and all else is forbidden.
I remember the New Testament telling believers to greet one another with a holy kiss about five times….it would seem that either we get very creative with arguing what is cultural (I confess I do not greet my brothers and sisters this way), or we need to do a great degree of thinking and yes, arguing and debating, over what is proper in the modern context. But that said, I would tend to argue that maybe, just maybe, we ought to be breaking bread more often—I cherish the memory of attending a church where they “broke rice” every Sunday (it was a mostly Chinese church)—and I would dare suggest that we do need to learn how to demonstrate love for one another more effectively.
Plunge in immediately? No, let’s do baby steps, but let’s see what God does when we try to live a little bit more like the New Testament church.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
How does something as simple or innocuous as verbal announcements during a worship service fit with the Regulative Principle? Is there any example of announcements during a worship gathering in either the Old or New Testaments?:
“Men, don’t forget the “Rise with the Guys” fish fry this Saturday morning at 7 at Peter’s Point on the west shore of the Sea of Galilee. Brother Andrew will be speaking on the topic of “Fishing for Men.” BYON (Bring your own net).”
Yes, I’m being somewhat mischievous, but my point is serious: if only those elements specifically mentioned in Scripture should be included in our worship services, then announcements and a host of other (minor) components need to go too…..
Maybe that’s why some church’s do the announcements before the service starts and use an offering box instead of passing the plate. Now if we can figure out what to do with the “Welcome Song” and “Music Specials”, we’ll be all set. : )
"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan
A few random responses:
To David Brumbelow:
However, it seems some go too far with the idea of the Regulative Principle when they want to argue if the Bible does not directly speak against something, then it is permissible.
This is not the Regulative Principle. This is typically called normative—that whatever Scripture does not forbid is permissible. The RPW is the opposite—that only what Scripture commands is permissible. It Scripture does not directly command it, it is not permissible in corporate worship.
With this strict view things such as drinking, gambling, slavery, etc. could be justified by saying, “Well, the Bible doesn’t directly speak against it.”
Whatever the merits or demerits of these individual things might be, it has nothing to do with the RPW unless one is arguing that we should drink, gamble, or enslave people as acts of corporate worship, in which case they would be ruled out of order (aside from communion perhaps, or in some churches, giving in the the offering itself is a bit of a gamble I suppose).
To Larry Nelson:
How does something as simple or innocuous as verbal announcements during a worship service fit with the Regulative Principle? Is there any example of announcements during a worship gathering in either the Old or New Testaments?:
Are these announcements part of worship? Because if they aren’t, they aren’t included in the RPW. Whether or not we should announce things or when they might be announced is a matter of wisdom, I suppose, and there may in fact be a number of things that need to go. But the RPW deals with worship.
The point of the RPW, simply put, is that we aren’t allowed to create our own means or methods of corporate worship. God knows how best to please him in the gathered assembly for worship, and we should listen to Him and do only those things which he has said please him in corporate worship.
It is designed, in part, to protect the conscience of the individual by refusing to compel them to do something God hasn’t commanded. An individual might have a problem of conscience with something not commanded. To do that in corporate worship causes that individual either to violate his conscience by participating or to harm the fellowship of the body by not participating.
The RPW does not apply directly to things other than corporate worship, in my view, though it might have some application or shed some light.
[Larry Nelson]Yes, but once more, that isn’t what the RPW actually is/says. It adds that things mentioned in Scripture or that might be derived “by good or necessary consequence.” One could possibly argue that announcements are necessary to insert into the service for the purpose of maintaining order. Although sometimes church announcements can be silly and perhaps are better at the beginning or the end of a worship service, since they interrupt the flow and clearly are not an element of corporate worship as such. (Announcements frequently do seem to function as an occasion for the speaker to practice his stand-up comedy routine.)How does something as simple or innocuous as verbal announcements during a worship service fit with the Regulative Principle? Is there any example of announcements during a worship gathering in either the Old or New Testaments?:
“Men, don’t forget the “Rise with the Guys” fish fry this Saturday morning at 7 at Peter’s Point on the west shore of the Sea of Galilee. Brother Andrew will be speaking on the topic of “Fishing for Men.” BYON (Bring your own net).”
Yes, I’m being somewhat mischievous, but my point is serious: if only those elements specifically mentioned in Scripture should be included in our worship services, then announcements and a host of other (minor) components need to go too…..
A lot of the comments I’m seeing here generally appear to be knee-jerk responses (“Ties aren’t in the Bible. Better throw away my tie! Guffaw!”, etc.) and don’t reflect any serious reading on the matter.
The following link provides a rather conservative interpretation of it, but it’s a good place to start if anyone’s actually interested in learning about something that was very important to our forebears but that we apparently find weird and outlandish: http://www.arbca.com/regulative-principle
[Andrew K]…they [announcements] interrupt the flow and clearly are not an element of corporate worship as such.
So why in so many churches that would adamantly claim to adhere to the RPW are they anywhere in the midst of worship services? Why is a non-element so often interposed into the sequence of RPW elements? Announcements seem to routinely be given a “free pass.”
[Note: unlike your “tie” comment above, I’m not confusing a circumstance with an element.]
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Once you allow accommodation for derivation, then the entire substantive basis for what can or might be deemed an element flies out the proverbial window. At that point, the division between Regulative and Normative really boils down to differences in opinion. One church’s announcements become another church’s skits. One church’s soloists become another church’s “sacred dance.” Etc. Do you see what I’m saying?
[Larry Nelson]The “tie example” wasn’t for your benefit, but for the comments on electrical systems and offering plates.Andrew K wrote:
…they [announcements] interrupt the flow and clearly are not an element of corporate worship as such.
So why in so many churches that would adamantly claim to adhere to the RPW are they anywhere in the midst of worship services? Why is a non-element so often interposed into the sequence of RPW elements? Announcements seem to routinely be given a “free pass.”
[Note: unlike your “tie” comment above, I’m not confusing a circumstance with an element.]
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Once you allow accommodation for derivation, then the entire substantive basis for what can or might be deemed an element flies out the proverbial window. At that point, the division between Regulative and Normative really boils down to differences in opinion.
As for your assertion, I disagree. I have not “allowed for derivation”; but there are differences in opinion on how to interpret the RPW, as there are on any system. As I said, I would interpret the RPW as disallowing announcements during the service. Others would not. None of us would make announcements an element of worship, though perhaps some would argue the function they serve of passing important info for church order justifies their presence. But there are many other areas where we would agree, and so the RPW still appears to serve an important function.
I see what you’re saying, but I think you’re confusing epistemology with function. The RPW is neither an infallible construct, nor does it provide an infallible interpretation of how it should be understood. As in every doctrinal system, there are gray and fuzzy areas where, should you press hard enough, cause a great deal of head-scratching as to how they should work themselves out in the practice of a local church. Nonetheless, it is very useful for what it does, which is to protect the conscience of the believer and to ensure that we are, to the best of our understanding, offering up worship to God that He has authorized. The RPW helps us to understand with what we may bind the consciences of believers—what elements of worship must be present in corporate worship—and give us freedom to reject innovations, however well-intentioned they may be, as unwarranted.
….we ought to take a look at not necessarily what ought to be excluded, but more importantly what ought to be included in our meetings. We all agree that we ought to have a time of teaching, for example, and the New Testament also prescribes prayer and the singing of psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. It strikes me that if we put that which ought to be prominent in that prominent place, we then will end up implicitly pushing out the things that do not. It is to say “I’m sorry, Bob, but given a choice between the liturgical hip-hop dance you suggest and the sermon, the sermon wins every time.”
Put differently, we might do well to start describing the regulative principle as primarily prescriptive and not proscriptive.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
[Andrew K]…some would argue the function they [announcements] serve of passing important info for church order justifies their presence.
That just seems inconsistent to me (and I understand that you are not personally arguing for such a construct).
If any one can justify the presence of a (reasonable) RPW non-element in their worship service on the basis of its expediency, then on what basis can another’s justification of the presence of a (reasonable) RPW non-element in their worship service on the basis of its expediency be discounted?
For one, the function served by announcements may justify their presence. For another, the function served by an illustrative skit may justify its presence. On what basis could either party discount the other?
I assumed that the purpose for announcements was to prepare people for the passing of the offering plate (which seems to always follow the announcements) and give them the opportunity to write their checks or get out their wallets.
"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan
I fully admit that I have not done any heavy reading on the RPW. But that’s partly because discussions like this make me skeptical of its actual value, since there are so many disagreements as to its meaning and application.
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
Apart from Ron’s tongue in cheek comment (I think), it strikes me that Paul and John do a certain amount of announcements in the epistles. Now granted, this is not explicitly referred to as part of the Lord’s day or other meetings, but if we infer that the epistles would be read to the largely illiterate slaves that were the main part of the church in those days (at least so I’m told), then we have to assume that some form of announcements existed back in those days. They were warned about Alexander, Hymeneaus, Diotrephes, and the like. They were told to reconcile with the repentant incestuous man. Timothy and Titus had to announce elections for deacons and elders as part of their God-given and Paul-communicated commissions. Another example is in 2. Cor. 9, where Paul announces a collection for the Jerusalem church and notes how awesome the Macedonians had been, even though they were poor as dirt. (etc., etc., etc.)
So in my mind, the question is not whether there would be some form announcements in the early church or not, but rather when and where the important announcements would be communicated.
Jury is still out on that hip-hop liturgical dance. :^)
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
Ron, the phrase “that there be no gatherings when I come” springs to mind.
And I think most folks missed Don’s condemnation dismissal of the RPW with words that actually support it. I’ll just point that up
The tradition-rich Jewish folk (I mean, if they could, they would be offering animal sacrifices at their temple) try to follow as many traditions as they can but they don’t use the synagogue as a worship center, instead, they call it a shul (school).
The 2nd Temple in Jesus’ day was the worship center, the weekly synagogue (upon which the church service mimics the purpose of meeting) was for general instruction.
“God is not served by human hands.” This speaks of creating idols but much more along the same line. The local church is not primarily for worship but teaching. Worship is anytime a Christian is living the cruciform life including the church service but the church service is not the worship center.
Any time mysticism is substituted for the ability given by God’s spirit, it is idolatry.
All this talk of RPW is just fruitless discussion since the local church functionally is not a worship center, period. End of discussion, period.
"Our faith itself... is not our saviour. We have but one Saviour; and that one Saviour is Jesus Christ our Lord. B.B. Warfield
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