The Incoherence of Evolutionary Origins (Part 2)

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The fusion of confusion

Evolutionists, except the rather small coterie of theistic ones, believe every complex and meticulously ordered thing got here through mechanisms which we neither see now nor can see in the evidence left in the past. Even our cognitive faculties and the immaterial laws of logic and number “evolved.” The Big Bang is the most popular notion of the origin of the universe at the present time, although there is a significant lobby of dissidents. The Big Bang is an explosion. All explosions are chaotic, disorderly things. (The Big Bang exploded flat—not in all directions). In other ways it would have been like every other explosion: confused and irrational.

But from this chaos the vast complexity of the first life sprang: not, it is true, overnight, but over billions of years. From this incoherence the coherent came. Do we ever see coherence, in the form of sequenced “specified” complexity, arise out of chaos and disorder? No we do not. Nothing self-orders in complex and specific ways without a code. And a code needs someone to write it. But evolutionary naturalism requires just the opposite.

Furthermore, as we, the observers, recognize and analyze the coherence in the world, our standing (or existence) as observers must be accounted for. This was one of the questions asked by Richards and Gonzalez in their book The Privileged Planet. It is a good question. Why is the world comprehensible? Why can we do science?

This question must be addressed by creationists and evolutionists. It cannot be ducked on the pretext that evolution does not concern itself with such matters. Biological evolution does not. But there is such a thing as “chemical evolution.” There is even a “Center” for it!

One prominent evolutionist puts the matter clearly:

One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task, to concede that the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible. Yet, here we are as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation. (George Wald, “The Origin of Life.” Scientific American, 1954)

We must not link this use of “spontaneous generation” with the old idea that new life arises from rotting meat. Once this is kept in mind there is nothing wrong with Wald’s use of the term. But talk about the power of presuppositions! He believes in the impossible. And as we shall see, it is not one isolated “impossibility” that evolutionists have to swallow. In fact, it is not even the first.

Has this kind of evolution (a form of abiogenesis) ever been demonstrated? It has not. One creationist writer comments:

After decades of investigation, no environment has been discovered that facilitates abiogenesis. The richest inventory of chemical compounds have been zapped, irradiated, dried, rehydrated, and subjected to a host of parameters. All of these processes, however, have resulted in disorganized matter. In order to provide an appropriate framework for life, a machinist would still be necessary, one who could construct several thousand specific proteins, nucleic acids, carbohydrates, vitamins, and lipids in their exact configurations, all the while maintaining the integrity of each molecule in the collection. (Brian Thomas, “Origin of Life Research Still Dead”)

Also, as Meyer explains,

Every choice the investigator makes to actualize one condition and exclude another—to remove one by-product and not another—imparts information into the system. Therefore, whatever “success” these experiments have achieved in producing biologically relevant compounds occurs as a direct result of the activity of the experimentalist—a conscious, intelligent, deliberative mind—performing the experiments. (Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, 335)

To an evolutionist this means that “when” somebody produces organic cells from its constituents the cry will go up, “We have discovered the conditions in which life arose.” But would it? While some confidence in the deliverances of science, even defined in reductionistic tones, is warranted, and the great successes of scientists lend encouragement to the belief that more is to come, it is extremely doubtful that any of these successes have any logical connection to belief in evolution. Scientists holding to evolution have done marvelous things, and so have scientists not holding to evolution. But the principle of testing competing hypotheses is not bettered by a belief which itself has failed to substantiate any of its major tenets.

To any other person any announcement that scientists have found the original environment for life would only prove that trained scientists, knowing the constituents of cellular organisms, have replicated what was (perhaps) previously done. It would certainly not prove it was achieved by undirected mindless processes. If evolutionists could do such a thing (and they can’t), they would, in their announcements, be sure to divert attention away from the designed and controlled laboratory conditions and the training and funding of the scientists.

The blind and ignorant watchmaker

Richard Dawkins wrote,

Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose. (Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1)

We all know this quote, but behind it lies a steely determination not to recognize what we all do recognize in every other walk of life—design. The title of his book is interesting but misleading. Interesting because it evokes a scene where someone blind from birth, and having no prior knowledge of watches, proceeds over time to put together one of these marvelous mechanisms in full working order. Misleading because the watchmaker himself, also envisioned as a product of evolution, but being far more complex than the watch, must also be explained. Although Dawkins is being rhetorical, calling evolutionary processes by this name commits the fallacy of reification—a very common fault with these people.

What these sorts of quotes are telling us is that because of their naturalistic bias, these eminent evolutionists will not even consider special creation as an alternative. And as there are just two models of origins, evolution (in their view), wins by default: it must be true no matter how much evidence accrues to falsify it. Operating from such an outlook the evolutionist is doomed to miss the wood for the trees.

Evolution is treated as unfalsifiable, and is treated as such because it is viewed as having so much power to uphold the philosophy of naturalism. It is the only avenue of explanation open to the materialist, and cannot be allowed to buckle under unwelcome scrutiny. It is treated and taught as an unassailable fact. Evolution supports naturalism. Naturalism is the only methodology permitted by evolutionists. Ergo, naturalism must support evolution. It is viciously circular.

Writing some time ago, two evolutionists admitted that,

Our theory of evolution has become one which cannot be refuted by any possible observation; every conceivable observation can be fitted into it. It is thus outside of empirical science, but not necessarily false. No one can think of ways in which to test it. Ideas, either without basis, or based on a few laboratory experiments carried out in extremely simplified systems, have attained currency far beyond their validity. They have become part of an evolutionary dogma accepted by most of us as part of our training. (E. Birch and PR Ehrlich, The Journal of Nature, 1967, number 214)

Things haven’t changed:

Science today is locked into paradigms. Every avenue is blocked by beliefs that are wrong and if you try to get anything published by a journal today, you will run up against a paradigm and the editors will turn it down. (Sir Fred Hoyle, from Scientific American, March 1995. Quoted by Andy Macintosh, Genesis for Today)

But the law of biogenesis holds. Why look for ways to circumvent it?

Biologists know only that all life derives from proceeding life, and that the parent organism’s offspring are always of the same kind. The idea that life can come from non-life is called abiogenesis, which is assumed by evolutionists to have occurred only once or a few times at most in earth history. This conclusion is not a result of evidence, but is obtained because the current dominant worldview in Western science, naturalism, requires a chance spontaneous origin of life. (Jerry Bergman, In Six Days, ed. by John Ashton, 40)

The blind watchmaker seems to be on a hiding to nowhere.

Discussion

[Mark_Smith]

Wayne Wilson wrote:

Mark exhibits all the characteristics of a True believer…in the Big Bang, that is.

It is a fact. He never suggests in any way that there may be problems with it. Its professional detractors are “crusty” and “old.”

Big Bang theory is explained with the acronyms and scientific jargon of the initiated, giving it the weight of authority by reason of mysterious verbiage (much the way some pastors put the hoi polloi in their place by using very large, technical theological words). Young Earth Creationist views are presented in simple, child-like terms, as though they have no knowledge of physics, mathematics, or the laws of nature. Simple terms mean simple ideas, so they must be simpletons.

Suggestion for Mark: Open up a correspondence with Derek Humphreys and/or Jason Lisle, and report back to us on your discussions. Better still, post them.

Wayne,

I appreciate your comments and those of others. I really do. My intent here has been to get people like you to interact with things they are uncomfortable with or lack knowledge about, but that is not what is wanted. I understand. I guess it is not reasonable of me to assume so.

My intent was to get people to think outside of their comfort zone. To look the science of cosmology in the face, rather than to throw a verse at it and run in fear. Maybe you didn’t do that but plenty of others do. Through 2 threads I have tried with little success. I guess I failed, so I will “shut up”. Good day all.

And, yes, I am familiar with many of the arguments of creationist scientists, and I am very familiar with the faults of the Big Bang theory. Discussing those was not my intent here. I guess my intent, as it always is as a science educator, is to teach science when I can and when appropriate. All too often, I weep because Christians, of whom I am and whom I love, just want “red meat” and statements like “science like cosmology is bad”. We’ll take microwaves and airplanes, leave the astrophysics alone! Quite frankly, and I am only slightly exaggerating on this, if you go to the average fundamentalist church or meeting and introduce yourself as a scientist, you are immediately distrusted. The only way to win confidence in people is to assure them you are a creationist…and even then you are eyed very carefully, and never quite trusted. If you even hint at something like the Big Bang…bang, you are thrown under the bus! Can you imagine what that is like?

And, yes, Jason Lisle adamantly accepts the age of the universe just like I originally wrote above. He proposes a way to make the universe have experienced way more time than the earth, just like I wrote above. That is what all creation scientists do…because the age is real.

Now, Mark, if I may say, that’s the best thing you’ve written so far. Measured, polite, not a rant. This makes for good conversation. But I think you have come across differently in your previous postings. I’m not sure which Mark people see when you feel under suspicion at Bible believing churches, though I accept what you say, and you are entitled to your own feelings. I respect that.

I honestly don’t know any Bible Christians who believe cosmology is bad. And we do take microwaves and airplanes because there really is a difference between observational, repeatable science and speculative science. The creation is not repeatable. The cosmos is difficult to comprehend and we are far from most of it, obviously. We measure what we can, and make theory. But that’s all it is. Theory. It’s interesting, but it is not definitive. Scripture is definitive.

The timings of these threads on evolution has been good for me because I am preaching through Hebrews, and last Sunday had Heb. 11:3 as my text. I mentioned as a lead in I have never preached on Creation Science in more than two decades at our church. I have taught aspects of it in other settings (not claiming any scientific expertise, but from a biblical point of view), but never a full sermon on the subject. Our doctrinal statement supports a literal six days and a young earth, while recognizing there are those who love the Lord and disagree. I repeated that point carefully. “Your soul is not imperiled by believing in an old earth.” Then I explained why we teach a young earth. It is based on exegetical grounds, not science. But I am persuaded the true facts of the universe do line up with Scripture and may one day be found. I am not bothered by big Bang theory. Many secular scientists (and philosophers) are just as sure there is no soul as they are there was a Big Bang, and that humans are just biology. They have their experimental evidence about humans, too. I am not persuaded. I don’t fear it. I don’t fear cosmology. Let them speculate. I am not intimidated by any of these ideas.

I watched the full lecture and Q and A with Stephen Meyer at Socrates and the City. He’s an old earth guy I appreciate very much. Something he said interested me. He was asked about creation scientists. He did not demure, but explained how ID people and Creationists approach science from different perspectives. Then he said there are very good, legitimate scientists among the Creationists. I think you should adopt his respectful tone.

I think in fundamental circles you can say, “You know, the universe in some ways really appears old, and I am don’t know how that squares with Scripture. I know good people are working on that problem, and I know God knows much, much more than I do. What do you think?” I suspect most Christians would be just fine with that.

Blessings to you, brother.

Mark has said,

“”That is not what I was trying to do. I was trying to present a different perspective and to try to “teach” rather than just give the “don’t trust this science” and “science can’t give the right answer” stick that creationists usually do. But that can’t be done in this medium effectively (by me at least).”

Of course, these articles are about the incoherence of evolutionary origins, with asides on the Big Bang as an explosion which supposedly brought order into being via purely natural causes! THAT is what I am writing about. Mark, however, has hijacked the thread and turned it into a rant against the understanding of science by Young-Earth Creationists and a rather confusing apology for the elusive accepted scientific method. The posts say nothing about YEC!

As for blackbody, well this is worth a read.

Now in reply to the above it ought to be obvious that science CAN give the right answer, and that it CAN often be trusted. But I am talking about science as metaphysics: evolutionism and methodological naturalism - and people here are getting upset! Now Mark and others have tried to place science in a separate sphere of knowledge than Scripture. Genesis 1 is clear, but then science says - (as if that was my subject). They have ignored my challenge to naturalism as a foundation for science and have pursued their own agenda. If they wish to be in two minds about science and Scripture as authorities (which has the right to tell the other) I wish they would come clean and admit it - or else tells us why we should not take Genesis 1 and Exodus 20:11 the way everyone did until the dawn of the Enlightenment.

I believe Mark is a YEC, but he needs to reconcile his science and method of science with the final authority - Scripture.

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

There has been a lot of talk about believing the Creation account by faith. I’m good with that so long as “faith” is defined in terms of rational assent (in the strong sense) to the claims and promises of God in His Word. “By faith we understand.” This is why the Christian cannot operate without faith in any sphere. Whatever is not of faith is sin. Mark argued for a ‘pragmatic naturalism’ which gets things done. But naturalism is not an option for the Christian - ever. I think Mark confuses naturalism with seeking for explanations for things within God’s world. E.g. God has put it together this or that way.

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

[Paul Henebury]

Of course, these articles are about the incoherence of evolutionary origins, with asides on the Big Bang as an explosion which supposedly brought order into being via purely natural causes! THAT is what I am writing about. Mark, however, has hijacked the thread and turned it into a rant against the understanding of science by Young-Earth Creationists and a rather confusing apology for the elusive accepted scientific method. The posts say nothing about YEC!

Paul,

I genuinely apologize for “hijacking” your thread.

Mark

Mark,

Thank you for a gracious response. May I say that I would love to see a piece about ‘Doing Science as a Christian’. It is important territory. Moreover, you are right about simplistic approaches to science by some Christians. This is covered, e.g., by Del Ratszh (sic?) in his book Science and It Limits.

Thank you again!

God bless you and yours,

Paul

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.