Love Letters from Schaap: "That is exactly what Christ desires for us. He wants to marry us + become eternal lovers!”

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[dgszweda]

I don’t ever want to blame the victim in this case, but what were the parents of this young girl thinking? This offers further proof to those who don’t always monitor their children or keep a close eye on their activites with other adults. We must be vigilant at all times in these types of matters, especially with young daughters, but also with our sons. Also, it should go without saying for those in positions of power to also stay vigilant. I know the parents will beat themselves up over this matter, but regardless it provides no execuse whatsoever for what Mr. Schapp did.

If Jack had made the minimal effort of keeping his door open and having another person present in the beginning when it was easier to take this action, he wouldn’t have struggled with activities that would have become increasingly hard to control.

I can tell you this, from experience of having family members who have spent a decent amount of time in prison, Mr. Schapp will suffer considerably while he is at the lowest rung of the social ladder in prison. I can tell you without a doubt that these type of people are not loved, and he will definitely have to watch his behavior and his back while in prison. It will not be an easy time for him, although the 10 years is still not nearly enough time for him.

The “grooming” for this kind of behavior and other kinds of wicked and unbiblical behavior began at the pulpit of that church and spread vertically and horizontally resulting in an institutional culture wherein all manner of malfeasance, abuse, manipulation and intimidation flourished. Jack Schaap learned from a master and those who knew him and the culture there have reason to know that even the techniques for wielding cultic control over the masses were taught specifically and thoughtfully to him and not just by example, but by training and mentoring.

As an aside, I’m not convinced that the immediate families of either Jack are true “victims”. They knew the “real him”, they tolerated their private conduct, they are not stupid people and they were rewarded with material comforts and nepotic positions of prestige for their silence and loyalty and public support. I cannot begin to imagine my wife (or my children) putting up the kind of behavior that led to this level of corruption and conduct.

“…several years ago, Schaap released a book that sexualized communion with God. I have long believed that heretical doctrine and belief results in wicked living and morality. I disagree with the remark sometimes made that someone can be right in his doctrine but wrong in his practice. …as it has been said by many before ‘Ideas (beliefs) have consequences.’” ~ Matthew J

Religious Rules of Life…

#1. “A preacher or minister will tell you what his greatest sin, weakness or obsession is – it will be the subject he preaches on most often.”

#11. “Never ever enter a church ‘unguarded’ – look, listen and question everything – especially the pastor.”

#14. “Religious devotion is one of the easiest things to fake.”

Jack Schaap is a product of Jack Hyles and Aberrant Christianity along with Schaap’s fostered ego of megalomania. The end result of this combination is something along these lines.

He is not, btw, a classic sexual predator. They have a history, a lifetime history, of victims.

This appears to be a case of someone who lost perspective of boundaries due to the described conditions above which were exacerbated when he was given the leadership role. Predators, on the other hand, have a discoverable history of victims over the years, especially at Schaap’s age. The absence of multiple victims over the years speaks not of predation but of excceptional opportunity and the right conditions for extreme weakness to exercise itself.

Schaap’s writings are more that of classic megalomania when it encounters theology. Christians are not immune to this. I am reminded of John Knox, who in his 50’s married a 17 year old which was quite scandalous (and no, that age difference was not “the norm” of the day, that is a myth). Now granted, he did not have to hurdled over a wife and commit adultery but it illustrates the kind of license one might believe they are granted as allegedly emissaries of God (I say alleged in that God will make that judgment).

But of course I am not comparing Knox to Schaap or Schaap to Knox in any respect but this context (lest someone not have sense enough to understand the immediate and exclusive context to which I make the comparison).

Schaap needs a great deal of therapy, but not the kind some people might think. His problem is not sexual, that is simply a manifestation of a far greater problem. It simply manifested itself in a way which is sexual but is often manifested in other kinds of boundary violation manners by others which is not so scandalous or appealing to the self-righteous and morally superior crowd who take this opportunity to exaggerate their sense of outrage.

[Dan Burrell]

As an aside, I’m not convinced that the immediate families of either Jack are true “victims”. They knew the “real him”, they tolerated their private conduct, they are not stupid people and they were rewarded with material comforts and nepotic positions of prestige for their silence and loyalty and public support. I cannot begin to imagine my wife (or my children) putting up the kind of behavior that led to this level of corruption and conduct.

Hey Dan. I basically agree with you on this point and I appreciate your correction.

I don’t view Cindy (the wife) as a victim in the same sense as the 16/17 year old. But I feel very sorry for her. She is experiencing and will experience the manifold consequences of her husband’s sinful actions. I’m not so sure though that they were complicit in his sins with the young girl.

So perhaps victim is not the correct word! Or perhaps it is in this sense: “a person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: a victim of an automobile accident. Or a person who is deceived or cheated, as by his or her own emotions or ignorance, by the dishonesty of others, or by some impersonal agency: a victim of misplaced confidence”.

[Jay]

If anyone is interested, Voyle Glover’s book on Hyles is available in both print and Kindle editions through Amazon.

Kindle edition is $9.99.

I would like to read the book but not willing to pay that much for it. Less then $5, maybe!

Profaned Pulpit on Amazon

[Easton]

“…several years ago, Schaap released a book that sexualized communion with God. I have long believed that heretical doctrine and belief results in wicked living and morality. I disagree with the remark sometimes made that someone can be right in his doctrine but wrong in his practice. …as it has been said by many before ‘Ideas (beliefs) have consequences.’” ~ Matthew J

Religious Rules of Life…

#1. “A preacher or minister will tell you what his greatest sin, weakness or obsession is – it will be the subject he preaches on most often.”

#11. “Never ever enter a church ‘unguarded’ – look, listen and question everything – especially the pastor.”

#14. “Religious devotion is one of the easiest things to fake.”

Just curious, Easton - where did you get those rules from? I’ve never seen them.

“…where did you get those rules from? I’ve never seen them.”

Experience.

[Jay]

[Easton]

“…several years ago, Schaap released a book that sexualized communion with God. I have long believed that heretical doctrine and belief results in wicked living and morality. I disagree with the remark sometimes made that someone can be right in his doctrine but wrong in his practice. …as it has been said by many before ‘Ideas (beliefs) have consequences.’” ~ Matthew J

Religious Rules of Life…

#1. “A preacher or minister will tell you what his greatest sin, weakness or obsession is – it will be the subject he preaches on most often.”

#11. “Never ever enter a church ‘unguarded’ – look, listen and question everything – especially the pastor.”

#14. “Religious devotion is one of the easiest things to fake.”

Just curious, Easton - where did you get those rules from? I’ve never seen them.

I was curious as well .. those specific “rules” are ones I can agree with for the most part - but upon googlin’ found rules 2 - 9 here:

http://thehidalgograincompany.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/10-religious-rul…

Have a problem with a number of those…

[PLewis] I was curious as well .. those specific “rules” are ones I can agree with for the most part - but upon googlin’ found rules 2 - 9 here:

http://thehidalgograincompany.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/10-religious-rul…

Have a problem with a number of those…

Interesting find. I thought some of the HDC rules were funny, so I un-donated quite a few times to (un-)support HGC. We can have a sense of humor, right?

I do agree with the three rules that Easton noted in his post.

My 2 cents:

http://dorightchristians.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/jack-schaap-sentencin…

“I was curious as well .. those specific “rules” are ones I can agree with for the most part - but upon googlin’ found rules 2 - 9 here:”

There are actually Rules 1 thru 25.

Keep Googling.

sound a lot like Gibbs’ Rules on NCIS. :D

Here they are.