Francis Chan says he healed deaf boy, girl in rural Myanmar village

During a sermon delivered at Moody Bible Institute’s Founders Week Conference: “I’m going, ‘God, please, please heal,’” he recalled. “People started coming forward for healing....Every person I touched was healed," Chan declared as the audience applauded. - Christian Post

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Paul Henebury's picture

I don't know how these guys get such a following among "solid" evangelicals.  They are manipulators whose superficiality ought to be clear to anyone who knows their Bible and has some good theology.  

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

Joeb's picture

I lean that the specific gift of healing per say has ceased as prophecies and some of the other gifts.  At the same time I do believe our Lord even today can miraculously heal someone if we pray for that.   So to doubt God's power to do miracles today is just as troubling as someone specifically claiming to have the gift of healing.  
 

My question is Chan specifically claiming to have the gift or is he praying for miracles in a very difficult circumstances and God is working miracles  then there and now.  God heals in many ways.  Instantaneously or through Doctors over a period of time or a new drug like the one curing 98% of the hepatitis C cases.  All are through God's power in one way or another.   
 

Even good things comes from bad situations.  Many of the intravenous drug users have hepatitis C.  However when the ones passing away from Overdoses which is very bad and something we want totally stopped some parents of these young victims are donating  their organs.  The Doctors transplant hearts livers lungs infected with Hepatitis C then cure  the Transplant patients with the new drugs.  A double miracle yes.   

Also God's path to healing can be extremely painful and depressing and long.  I just read the Inter Varsity Book Kelly Tough.  It's written by the daughter of Jim Kelly the Former Quarterback of the Buffalo Bills.  The only QB that went to 4 Super Bowls and never won.  My understanding is Kelly is much loved by the Buffalo Fans and has a great testimony for Christ.  Bert can confirm that.  

Anyway the book describes the second time Kelly went through treatment for throat cancer which was long and absolutely brutal and almost killed Kelly. Yet at the end he walked away cured and his daughter praises God for it.  Example of the tough road God may take you on for healing. The book is very good and I highly recommend it     

I think Jim's point on the miraculous healings should be well taken.  It is only a miracle if a person is made whole in a significant way.  Not just my sore back feels better after prayer .  More like my back now being curved from scoliosis and deteriorated with herniated disks and a new MRI showing NO SCOLIOSIS and the herniated disks no longer existing.  I think that's the kind miracle healing Jim is referring to and proving it.  Yet even though that may not happen we still need to pray and ask our Lord for those things   Yes.  
 

One more personal story about my mother.  My mother was in the hospital two weeks to one month a year when I was going through high school.  She had a couple fatal diseases that were going to kill her relatively young. Yet one time she was at deaths door and was in a hospital in New York City and the Dr at that time treating her was suppose to be the top Dr in the US in his field. The Dr told my father my mother was going to die that night and my Pastor and the Elders of our church gathered around her and laid hands on her and prayed for a miracle which God granted the next day.  She was up on her feet from deaths door.  The Dr was so moved that even he admitted a higher power was involved.  
 

About a month  later my mother was back working full time as a nurse.  Yet 2 months after she went back to work she stayed at the Pastors house in Princeton so she could more easily go to a Dr appointment in Princeton the next morning. She was very good friends with the Pastors wife.  That night my mother went home to be with the Lord.   She just stopped breathing.  My mother was 50.   To this day her death certificate cites no reason for her death.  

My mother may have passed away from Post Polio Syndrome which they did not know about at the time.  My mother contracted polio from working in the polio ward. At that time it affected her involuntary muscular system.  Specifically her breathing, but it went into remission.  
 

One more side note when my mother was in NY dying she was left in a room with other women in the same position she was and she led two of them to the Lord before they passed.  So our Lord uses many circumstances to his glory.  
  
 

 

Bert Perry's picture

The thing that bothers me is not the claim of miracles--I tend towards cessationismbecause I don't see many miracles, but don't believe the door is entirely closed--but rather Chan's apparent connection of himself to them.  It seems to go beyond how Peter and Paul described the things God did through them.  

Personally, I do generally appreciate Chan's ministry, as he does challenge us to see things through Biblical lenses and come to appreciate the amazing person who is Jesus.  In this case, though, there is a "huh" moment where I do have some unease and suspicion that this is not entirely on the up & up.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Nord Zootman's picture

I have appreciated much that Chan has said in the past, but his recent comments concerning the Lord's supper troubled me. I was admittedly a little "on guard" as I sat and listened to him preach at Moody. I am a "soft cessationist" and certainly don't limit what God can do. I have just seen and heard enough to be skeptical. Chan is more willing than I am to set aside mid-level theological issues for the sake of unity. I appreciate the need to preach the gospel to unreached people, but I think he discounts the value of preaching the word to established believers. I get the impression that he is looking for something more in his life, and is uncertain what that is.

TylerR's picture

Editor

I know nothing about Chan. I saw his video about the Lord's Supper, and I was shocked. He seems theologically clueless. He also seems adrift and rootless. He doesn't seem like a teacher who any Christian should trust. I think he is unstable and dangerous, and confused. In short, a weirdo.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

DLCreed's picture

I have growing concerns over Chan's recent statements myself...however, I find a declaration of "I know nothing about Chan." followed by assessing him as "theologically clueless", "adrift", "rootless", unworthy of trust, "unstable", "dangerous", "confused" and a "weirdo" -- to be well across the pale....WAY beyond, in fact....in the accessment of a fellow believer, brother and pastor who again, according to your own words, you know "nothing about".  It's graceless and unnecessarily harsh.

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Editor

The video I saw of Chan was of a weird guy who appeared to have the theological acuity of a cucumber. Based on that, I say he's not somebody anyone should listen to. Now, I see Chan saying he healed people miraculously. Sure, I believe him ...

The guy is a weirdo. I'm not sure why that is controversial or why he merits more charity. If I met a pastor who didn't understand th he Lord's Supper and breathlessly told me he'd healed people by laying hands on them, I'd run away and think he was deranged. Few people would fault me! So it is with Chan. He's just a bizarre guy who makes outlandish claims, who seems to not know very much. I wish him luck on his forthcoming odyssey abroad.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

TylerR's picture

Editor

At Moody, Chan apparently expressed dissatisfaction with American evangelicalism. One article explains:

Chan comments on how we are spoiled by so many pastors, thought leaders, and resources flooding our churches, new feeds, and bookstores. Instead of stewarding these things wisely and partnering for the greater good, we compete with each other for brand performance and power of platform.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm about. He caught me. Drat. It's all about branding ... and the Benjamin's.

Spare me. Yawn. The grass ain't greener in Hong Kong. People are people. The good 'ole US of A is a ripe mission field. It's pure secularism. We're having an evangelism event at our local library tomorrow, right in the middle of one of the most secular urban centers in America. Yet, Chan feels it's ok to broad brush evangelicals and claim it's all selfishness!

Well, I have little sympathy for his critiques. He'll find the same problems in Hong Kong, they'll just look a bit different.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

Mark_Smith's picture

DLCreed wrote:

I have growing concerns over Chan's recent statements myself...however, I find a declaration of "I know nothing about Chan." followed by assessing him as "theologically clueless", "adrift", "rootless", unworthy of trust, "unstable", "dangerous", "confused" and a "weirdo" -- to be well across the pale....WAY beyond, in fact....in the accessment of a fellow believer, brother and pastor who again, according to your own words, you know "nothing about".  It's graceless and unnecessarily harsh.

DL,

Did you read where Tyler said he knew nothing about Chan EXCEPT he recently watched a video of him teaching on the Lord's Supper. Now, I have not seen Chan speak on anything myself, but Tyler said this video showed a man who had a vapid theology. Again, it was based on his video about the Lord's Supper, which Tyler said he viewed. So, he is not basing his report on "nothing", but more properly "little". However, in Tyler's defense, I would hope Master's Seminary grad could present a reasonably accurate teaching on the Lord's Supper. If he fails at that, I think that speaks volumes.

Jim's picture

Mark_Smith wrote:

 

DLCreed wrote:

 

I have growing concerns over Chan's recent statements myself...however, I find a declaration of "I know nothing about Chan." followed by assessing him as "theologically clueless", "adrift", "rootless", unworthy of trust, "unstable", "dangerous", "confused" and a "weirdo" -- to be well across the pale....WAY beyond, in fact....in the accessment of a fellow believer, brother and pastor who again, according to your own words, you know "nothing about".  It's graceless and unnecessarily harsh.

 

 

I would hope Master's Seminary grad could present a reasonably accurate teaching on the Lord's Supper. If he fails at that, I think that speaks volumes.

One 'crackpot' view by one TMU grad is but a whisper. #nothingburger news about TMSeminary

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Mark_Smith wrote:

Did you read where Tyler said he knew nothing about Chan EXCEPT he recently watched a video of him teaching on the Lord's Supper. 

I read quite well and Tyler did not use the word "EXCEPT".  He made an absolute sentence in the declarative voice and then made a second, contradictory sentence.

Regardless, one of the things that drove me away from the "brand" of fundamentalism that is embraced by many on this site is the kind of excessive and irresponsible harshness Tyler's over-the-top response embodies.  I used to be a master at such verbal acuity myself.  The number of people I ever convinced to reconsider their viewpoint by using cheap shots and name-calling (I mean, if we're going to call names, can we do a bit better than "weirdo"?  At least Joe Biden is more creative) is ZERO.  Eventually I was convicted about the tactic when confronted by some I was actually hoping to convince on a topic.

Chan IS a Christian brother.  He has issued some rather problematic statements of late after years of thought-provoking teaching and writing that was sound and important.  Somehow, I think both his proponents and those who have their eyebrows raised would be better served by challenging arguments that address the error rather than just hurling cheap epithets and unfounded insults.

But hey, if you and Tyler think that a Donald Trump style of scorched-earth rhetoric is effective these days for convincing people of spiritual truths, go ahead and knock yourselves out.  I am just pointing out that, from my perspective, it's as weak in efficacy as it is in Christian grace.

Mark_Smith's picture

Oh please...

 

TylerR's picture

Editor

Online communication is difficult. You picture me as spitting at the screen as I wrote those words. I wasn't. I was just saying, matter-of-factly, that Chan appears ignorant and irresponsible. If any pastor displayed a cluelessness about the Lord's Supper, then told me he'd healed people, I'd stay far away from him. I wouldn't do it because I despised him. I would just think he's unhinged and unstable.

My apologies if I seemed angry. I was just making observations based on what I saw. He seems like a troubled guy who is searching for something. I hope he finds it. I suspect he'll eventually only find more disillusionment in Hong Kong. I will try to couch my opinions in more moderate tones in the future, even if the substance is the same.

For what it's worth, I'm also not a fundamentalist.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

Mark_Smith's picture

DLCreed wrote:

 

But hey, if you and Tyler think that a Donald Trump style of scorched-earth rhetoric is effective these days for convincing people of spiritual truths, go ahead and knock yourselves out.  I am just pointing out that, from my perspective, it's as weak in efficacy as it is in Christian grace.

Where did I insult you in my post? But you did me.

DLCreed's picture

....if you were insulted by my words, you and I have different calibrations or definitions for the term "insult".  Usually, we boomers/busters have a higher standard for what makes us feel insulted.

Joeb's picture

Take it easy guys.   Bert where are you when your needed.   Shine some light on this matter.   Yikes! 

Mark_Smith's picture

DLCreed wrote:

....if you were insulted by my words, you and I have different calibrations or definitions for the term "insult".  Usually, we boomers/busters have a higher standard for what makes us feel insulted.

No matter the generation, DL, your tone is abominable.

Here's the point. You posted a criticism of Tyler for being ungraceful, but in that critique you were ungraceful. I pointed out what you missed in your criticism, and you attacked me with both barrels. Twice.

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Joeb wrote:

Take it easy guys.   Bert where are you when your needed.   Shine some light on this matter.   Yikes! 

Joeb, I'm not the one making personal attacks. What did I do wrong?

Joeb's picture

Mark just kidding around.  You guys are fine.  Although I do value Bert's opinion very highly. 

Bert Perry's picture

I sure am a dog faced pony soldier, or whatever.  :^)  Let's get the "dislikes" going!

Seriously, regarding Chan, there have been a number of things with which I've disagreed over the years.  I was very uneasy, for example, with his choice to leave the church he founded to do other ministries--I tend to think that vocational ministry really ought to involve "going to the mat" with individual believers, and I felt that he was dodging that to do more of an academic, "lecture style" ministry.  I also am uneasy at his easy endorsement of the miracles at Moody; there have been enough frauds (e.g. Benny Hinn crusades) that we ought to be skeptical of purported miracles.

On the flip side, what I really value about Chan is that he goes back and concentrates more on the Gospels; I've felt for years that evangelicals tend to do the epistles at least superficially better than the Gospels, and one big reason for this is that the Gospels seem to challenge dominant cultures far more than we're comfortable with.  

How to criticize Chan effectively?  Be specific.  If he's mangling doctrines of the Lord's Supper, tell us how, for example.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.