Book Review - 40 Questions About Creation and Evolution
Of the many contemporary debates pushing and pulling on the Church today, the Creation and Evolution debate is perhaps the most alarming. The New Atheists like Richard Dawkins try to lump any Bible believer in with the crackpots and loonies, while some of the most high-profile creationists spare no punches as they condemn the vast majority of Evangelicalism for any of a number of compromises on this question.
For folks in the pew, the situation is tense: Science continues to raise large questions, and the Church often seems to provide few answers. Many of our youth are pressured to abandon the faith as they encounter new arguments against creation. With at least four major views in Evangelicalism, there is not a strong unified position to lean upon. Most books on the topic defend their particular view and often take aim directly on other sectors of Christianity. These books do more to perpetuate the polarized nature of the debate than provide a clear way forward. And meanwhile it seems that the scientific consensus only continues to become an even larger stumbling-block to Christian faith.
In this context, a variety of new attempts to integrate science and faith have been proposed. Yet for conservative Christians this only raises new questions: How far is too far? What are the limits of integrating faith and science? How important is the age of the earth? Are all forms of evolution out-of-bounds for Christians? What about the Flood—must it be universal? Could animal death have preceded the Fall? What are we to think about Adam and Eve?
These questions and more are addressed in an important new book from Kenneth Keathley and Mark Rooker, professors at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. 40 Questions About Creation and Evolution (Kregel, 2015) charts a course through the debate, raising the right questions and providing many answers. A big burden behind this book is just to survey the positions that are being adopted by Evangelical leaders today. The authors carefully lay out the evidence (good and bad) for each of these positions. Keathley approaches the matter from a young-earth creationist (YEC) perspective, and Rooker adopts an old-earth (OEC) view, but each author takes pains to speak charitably of the other positions and honestly about the difficulties of his own view. Their irenic candor and careful grappling with the major positions makes this book a joy to read.
Overview
Each chapter functions as a stand-alone treatment of a particular question. These questions are loosely arranged by topic. The first two parts focus on the doctrine of Creation in general (and its role in Scripture), and then in particular about the exegetical details in Gen. 1-2. Following this is a section on the Days of Creation. Here the following positions are examined:
- The Gap theory
- The Day-Age theory
- The Framework theory
- The Temple Inauguration theory
- The Historical Creationism theory (or Promised Land theory)
- The Twenty-Four Hour theory
Following this is a section on the age of the Earth. Here the genealogies and the arguments for and against an old earth are examined. In addition, the question of distant starlight gets special treatment. Included here is an examination of the mature creation argument. The next section focuses on the Fall and the Flood. The image of God and the idea of Original Sin are fleshed out here. The final section focuses on evolution and intelligent design. A history of Darwinism is provided along with its key supporting arguments. Challenges to evolution are also presented (often from atheistic scientists who still hold to common descent). The question of theistic evolution is also addressed. Finally discussion of the “fine-tuning argument” highlights the special place our Earth holds in the universe.
Highlights
This book is over 400 pages long, so I only have time to point out some highlights.
Careful Analysis of the Debate: I was struck by the careful analysis of why Evangelicals disagree so much on this issue. Concordism and non-concordism are addressed, and so is the matter of presuppositions. The authors stress that while old-earth creationists (OEC) share many of the same presuppositions as young-earth creationists (YEC), they do not share the view that a YEC interpretation of Genesis 1-11 is the “only interpretation available to the Bible-believing Christian” (p. 20). YEC adherents really do often hold this as a presupposition and so their position is basically fideism: “if one’s presuppositions are unassailable, then his approach has shifted from presuppositionalism to fideism” (p. 21). OEC proponents allow more room for empiricism, which “allows experience and evidence to have a significant role in the formation of one’s position” (p. 21). This philosophical difference lies beneath the OEC vs. YEC debate and recognizing this can help in understanding the mindset of each alternate view.
Helpful Discussion of Each Major View: The discussions of each view are extremely helpful. Careful arguments are presented for each view, and then answered. The authors show how most scholars have good reasons to reject the Gap theory today, but they point out the fascinating history of this position (which dates back to the seventeenth century). By the mid-twentieth century, Bernhard Ramm could say that the gap theory was “the standard interpretation throughout Fundamentalism” (p. 112). The Day-Age theory is dismissed as treating “Genesis 1 as though its purpose is to provide a detailed, scientifically verifiable model of cosmic origins,” which hardly seems in keeping with “its ancient context” (p. 126). The Framework theory doesn’t have “a single theological truth” dependent on its unique reading of the text (p. 134). The authors have an uneasy assessment of the Temple Inauguration theory. They seem to revel in the connections between Eden and the Temple, but think Walton’s particular view says too much without enough explicit textual warrant. I note the odd argument that it makes “more biblical sense” that the Israelites believed “God lived in heaven both before and after the creation week” (p. 145). This prevents us from seeing creation as God’s need for a physical habitat to rest in. But didn’t God create heaven in the creation week? The authors seem intrigued by John Sailhamer’s Historical Creation theory. They raise objections but imagine others finding satisfactory answers to them. The Twenty-Four Hour theory certainly is more clearly defended, but strong objections are also raised. A mediating view is also presented that may well be Rooker’s own view: that the 24 hour days are to be seen as literally 24-hour days, but used metaphorically in the text. This whole section is worth the price of the book - the debate is laid out and dispassionately treated in a clear manner that provides directions for further study in a variety of directions.
Excellent on the Age of the Earth: I also appreciated the discussion of the age of the earth. The authors point out that the young-earth/flood geology position has only recently become the predominant Evangelical view. Prior to The Genesis Flood by John Whitcomb and Henry Morris (1961), there had been over a hundred years of Evangelical Christians who held to an old earth. Some discussions of the history of the YEC position devolve into an all-out mockery of the YEC position. This book is honest about the history (and the large role played by George McCready Price, a Seventh Day Adventist and geologist), but does not smear the YEC position with “guilt-by-association.” The major arguments put forth in Whitcomb and Morris’ book continue to be widely repeated today, but many of them have been forsaken by modern YEC proponents: the water-vapor canopy, a “small universe” (to allow for distant starlight), the Fall causing the second law of thermodynamics (entropy), and even the human and dinosaur footprints in the Paluxy River (p. 196). The scientific arguments for a young earth are actually quite tenuous. On the flip side, the scientific arguments for an old earth seem quite strong. Having studied this issue in some depth previously, I still found new arguments and considerations presented here. The authors also quote YEC authors who are also honest about the weakness of the scientific evidence. As an example, John Morris (Henry Morris’ son and successor) has admitted “he knows of no scientist who has embraced a young earth on the basis of the empirical evidence alone” (p. 198). The Biblical case for a young earth, in contrast, is quite strong. Even though the genealogies in Scripture are by no means air-tight nor intended to be strictly chronological, “we still have the impression… that not an enormous amount of time has passed since the beginning of creation” (p. 176). The authors conclude on this matter: “The conclusion must be that, though a cursory reading of Scripture would seem to indicate a recent creation, the preponderance of empirical evidence seems to indicate otherwise” (p. 224).
Conservative yet Open on the Effects of the Fall: The book does draw hard and fast lines, and one of them is the historicity of Adam and Eve. This is ultimately a matter of “biblical authority” (p. 242), and it becomes a “litmus test” for Christians who would want to advocate some evolutionary position (p. 378). The question of the Fall and its impact is perhaps the most important question that divides the OEC and YEC views. They see the Fall as the historical moment of Original Sin, yet animal death before the Fall and the Fall’s impact on the natural creation are more open to reconsideration. The “notion of animal death existing prior to Adam’s fall does not appear to be, theologically speaking, an insurmountable problem” (p. 261). On the Fall’s impact on creation: “YEC proponents seem to be dogmatic about a position which, upon closer examination, appears to be more speculative than they have been willing to admit” (p. 269-270).
Critical of Evolution: As an eager reader of the book, I was challenged by this section, perhaps the most. The discussion on evolution will not encourage any simplistic acceptance of evolution. The authors’ introduce many of the problems to the standard Darwinian model that have been raised of late. Intelligent design is also carefully explained. More space could be given to scientific responses to these new challenges, perhaps, but the section does a good job pointing out the questions which still surround the mechanics of evolution. As for Christians wanting to embrace some sort of evolutionary model (not based on naturalistic Darwinian assumptions), the authors present three essential points that must be maintained:
- The uniqueness of the human race to possess and reflect the divine image.
- The unity of the human race.
- The historicity of the original couple and their disobedience. (p. 378)
Assessment
This book will prove to be helpful for those who want to survey the state of this debate in Evangelicalism today. The authors don’t sugarcoat the controversy and are at times painfully honest. They bring a wealth of research together, surveying the historical background to the controversy and marshal an impressive array of scientific arguments for and against each major position. Some may not appreciate how certain positions are embraced tentatively. Yet others will see this as a strength. Some will fault the authors for going too far, others will scoff at some of the attention drawn to what they consider obscure arguments for a young earth. The book will challenge those pushing the envelope and vying for unflinching acceptance of evolution in all its forms. It will also challenge those who pick and choose among the scientific studies - cherry picking anything that supports their YEC position and ignoring the rest. Above all, the book brings us back to the Bible and the text itself - what exactly does it affirm and how should that shape our consideration of these questions.
Ultimately this book calls for greater unity and charity in this debate. It is precisely here that this book is most needed. YEC proponents too often come across as abrasive, and their arguments seem to lack “tentativeness” or humility. OEC apologists can easily get caught up in the intramural debate and continue the caustic harsh tone. All of this is not only off-putting, but unhelpful. This book presents an alternative and a possible step forward. I trust it will make a contribution toward more light and less heat on this perennially thorny issue. I highly recommend it.
About the authors
Kenneth D. Keathley (PhD, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary) is professor of theology and director of the L. Russ Bush Center for Faith and Culture at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He was previously professor of theology at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. Keathley is also the author of Salvation and Soverignty: A Molinist Approach.
Mark F. Rooker (PhD, Brandeis University) is professor of Old Testament and Hebrew at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. He has previously taught at Moscow Theological Seminary, Criswell College, And Dallas Theological Seminary. Rooker is Author of several books on Old Testament and Hebrew language topics.
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It was miracled here. In that process I lose the ability to do physics on it. Does that make sense?
I didn’t know miracle was a verb. I guess physicists have powers I didn’t know about. It makes sense, though I am not sure I agree. You can still do physics on that light, but you can’t infallibly interpret anything other than what you see. You can’t necessarily extrapolate backward with absolute certainty, right?
For example, if you accept the Andromeda Galaxy is 2 million light years away yet the universe is 7000 years old, how do you reconcile that? One way is appearance of age, a favorite here at SI. The only reconciliation in that case is God miracled the light into position. But then, it is miracle light and not physically produced light… so who knows what happened.
Assuming God created stars, it’s “miracle produced light” in any case, right? Only a naturalist could claim there was no miracle involved, and even they have to jump some pretty big obstacles that would test the faith of the most gullible. The issue, it seems, is whether the “miracle produced light” started at the star (and where in the star did it start, or whether it started some distance away from the start. Why is it a big problem that it started closer than one might think otherwise? Or that some other process sped up the issue?
In this case I am not talking about chemistry, or engineering, or certain branches of physics (medical, laser, condensed matter, etc), or other so called observational sciences. Obviously you can look at them directly.
Fair enough. That’s more clear.
Mark says, “All I am saying is once you say a miracle has happened, there is no scientific investigation you can do in that situation. Is that not obvious? Does that need explanation?”
Mark,
- I believe that a miracle occurred when Jesus turned water into wine. What would I find if I went back in time and did a scientific investigation into the liquid that the wedding guests were drinking?
- I believe Jesus healed people of various diseases instantly. What if I were a doctor living in 1st century Palestine and examined the man who was formerly blind but now can see?
- I believe Jesus calmed the storm on the Sea of Galilee. What would I have found if I were a 1st century meteorologist who for some strange reason had access to modern doppler radar and examined the weather patterns over the Sea of Galilee that night?
- I believe Jesus rose from the dead. What would a forensic team find if they examined the tomb?
- More to the point, if a doctor examined Adam and Eve on Day 8, how old would they declare them to be? If an arborist examined the trees on Day 8, how old would he declare them to be? If an astronomer examined the stars on Day 8, how old would he declare them to be?
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
is to say “appearance of age” is a horrible answer to the problem of the why the universe is so big and is full of stars, galaxies, etc, given God created the universe “ex nihilo” in the “recent” past. A much better answer would be some relativistic effect… but most people aren’t interested in those. Is it too hard to understand what I even mean by “relativistic effect”?
You are making my point. When Jesus made the wine by miracle, can you compare it to traditionally made wine. When He healed, can you compare that to medicine? No. There is no comparison. Science cannot be used to compare the two.
When Jesus made the wine by miracle, can you compare it to traditionally made wine. When He healed, can you compare that to medicine?
What would be the difference? Would you be able to tell by scientific examination which was the product of a miracle and which was not? How?
To paraphrase Andrew Snelling (see AiG thread) There would be no way for me to know since I am not there.
But I think I know what you mean. The wine likely would be like any other wine. Now let me ask you something. What if all wine was miracle wine and there was no natural wine. That is the case with stars in an appearance of age scheme. The are no natural stars.
For example:
1-Jason Lisle’s anisotropy of the speed of light
2- David Humphrey’s white hole theory
3- others I can’t think of author’s name…book at office.
Read the AiG website, it repeatedly rejects the “appearance of age” argument.
Let’s assume the universe was created by God some time around 6000 years ago. Let’s just say it was 6000 years ago. If I assume light traveled all the time in the past at the present speed of light (300,000 km/s), that means light from 6000 light years away can reach earth in that time. Assuming you believe we can see a universe bigger than that radius, how do you propose that light traveled more distance than that?
Don’t feel like you have to have a perfect answer. I am looking for your perspective…yes YOU.
My life was better before you started asking these questions …
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
Mark, I appreciate your input here. I know you take a lot of heat from it even though you say over and over you are a YEC. Some people just don’t like the hard questions that challenges their belief system I don’t think. It makes them uncomfortable.
When I was in high school I considered the appearance of age arguments and discarded them, for much the same reasons as you have expressed on SI. At the time, I read Russell Humphries book Starlight and Time and found it to be an interesting explanation. I am perfectly comfortable with relativistic explanations.
I have not read the book that is the subject of this review. I have read Hank Hanagraft’s book on Old Earth Creation and did not find it compelling at all.
I do own the book Untold Secrets of Planet Earth: Dire Dragons by Vance Nelson. The book has 135+ color photos of ancient artwork, pottery, cave drawings, building carvings etc of dinosaurs. I found the book incredibly compelling for this argument: Man and dinosaurs lived in the same time period.
The book seems in my mind seems almost irrefutable since the pictures speak for themselves. The book shows which country the artifacts have come from and the history behind them. There is no way these ancient people could have come up with these images (many of which seem almost identical to modern museum reproductions and fossil finds) without having lived among the giant lizards or “dragons”.
I’m not sure how the OEC would explain these since virtually all evolutionist say dinos died off millions of years before man. The book is VERY compelling.
[BrianW]I have not read the book that is the subject of this review. I have read Hank Hanagraft’s book on Old Earth Creation and did not find it compelling at all.
I do own the book Untold Secrets of Planet Earth: Dire Dragons by Vance Nelson. The book has 135+ color photos of ancient artwork, pottery, cave drawings, building carvings etc of dinosaurs. I found the book incredibly compelling for this argument: Man and dinosaurs lived in the same time period.
The book seems in my mind seems almost irrefutable since the pictures speak for themselves. The book shows which country the artifacts have come from and the history behind them. There is no way these ancient people could have come up with these images (many of which seem almost identical to modern museum reproductions and fossil finds) without having lived among the giant lizards or “dragons”.
I’m not sure how the OEC would explain these since virtually all evolutionist say dinos died off millions of years before man. The book is VERY compelling.
Evidence for dinosaurs coexisting with man is virtually non-existant. We never find dinosaur fossils with human fossils - never. There is no good YEC explanation for that.
Here is Institute for Creation Research article admitting that the famous Paluxy river bed “human footprints” among dinosaur footprints is very likely not genuine - may very well be a different species of dinosaur prints. At the least they back away from using that evidence in their argumentation (almost no YEC authors today use this, even though The Genesis Flood continues to be republished and circulated with the misleading claims based on old interpretation of the evidence still there.)
I have also seen a “stegosaur” carving from a Cambodian temple floating around the internet as proof that man and dinosaurs co-existed - that dinosaurs are fairly late. This is debunked pretty clearly in this article. The same author debunks other claims of dinosaurs in ancient art, in this article.
Finally, I have heard on SI that there have been “soft tissue” discoveries in Dinosaur fossils which supposedly prove they cannot be millions of years old. This article at Reasons to Believe explains why this is not so.
As the book I reviewed points out, if one does appeal to the mature earth idea, then one cannot appeal to other evidences for a young earth. It is either mature (old-looking) or it is young, cannot be both. The thing that frustrates me in this debate is that YEC proponents feel completely fine with cherry-picking the evidence: ignoring hundreds of studies which point to an old earth and fixating on one that talks about soft tissue in dinosaur fossils. Ignoring the hundreds and thousands of dionsaur fossil finds with no human fossils anywhere near them, and pointing out obscure artwork which “proves” dinosaurs and man co-existed. This argumentation method is consistent with how King James Onlyists reason. Any possible proof for a reading in the KJV is accepted as proof enough for its legitimacy, never mind that you don’t like the Vulgate but if it is the only source for a given KJV reading, then at that point it must be preserving the Perfect Words of Scripture…..
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of weird looking alien like things interacting with people in societies all over the globe. You have to be careful with this line of evidence IMHO.
[Mark_Smith]First, I accused Mark of holding a position that was only present in his own mind earlier. Someone called me on it. In retrospect, I agree is sounds very snarky. I can honestly say it was not intended in that way, and I hope Mark and I have had enough interaction here that he recognized that However, I should have been more careful in wording my remarks, and I apologize for not being more gracious in my statement.By historical science I think AiG means mostly biology and geology, but the term applies to astronomy. I will stick to astronomy as something I know very well. No human being will likely in the near future ever travel to a star (even our own star). We infer from information we can see. There is no way I can actually directly measure the density of the Sun for example (or the Earth for that matter). But, I claim as a scientist I can measure it in other ways. I claim from studying dense matter and nuclear physics to make thermonuclear bombs we have an excellent idea what is going on under the surface of the Sun. We know how much light the Sun emits. We know how many neutrinos leave the Sun as well. Inferring that the power source of the Sun is nuclear fusion, I know how much fuel it burns. I can measure how long it will live. By comparing the amount of hydrogen to helium in the Sun I can get an estimate of how old it is. I also can know that light takes over 100,000 years to move from the core of the Sun to the surface from the same information.
Once again I face a dilemma. The science of physics, using completely reasonable measurements and well-established theory (no crack pot atheist schemes going on here), tells me light from the Sun takes 100,000+ years to reach the surface from the core. If the Universe is young, say 7000 years, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sun to shine like it does from natural explanations and processes. So, we turn to “appearance of age”. I claim that God made the Sun mature with light in various stages of progression moving out from the core. All well and good. IT IS A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION, but I must admit that in this case the Sun is not really operating by physical processes, but “miracle” ones since almost no photon leaving the Sun’s surface was ACTUALLY PRODUCED in the core of the SUn by nuclear fusion. Thus, there is no science I can do on it. Do you follow my logic?
Secondly, here Mark has explained more completely what he means when he says you cannot do science if you accept an appearance of age argument. While I still disagree with the premise, at least now I can better understand what he means when he uses this shorthand statement.
Third, the crux of the matter. Mark says here that once a miracle enters the picture, all science stops. For that reason, he finds the appearance of age argument unsatisfying (though I appreciate his willingness to concede it could possible be accurate however unlikely he deems it to be). The root problem that I have tried repeatedly to point out is that Mark doesn’t solve his dilemma by rejecting the appearance of age. Elsewhere, he has professed belief in God as Creator. Consequently, no matter how far back you place the creation event (10 thousand or 100 billion years) or by what means you explain our arrival at the present place and condition of the universe (theistic evolution of ex nihilo creation with appearance of age) you are still starting the whole process with a miraculous event - God created. Anyone who accepts God as creator must necessarily reject the presupposition of uniformitarianism - which means Mark is unable to do any real science anyway.
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
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