Suspect in Norway bombing a "reported Christian fundamentalist"

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Jim's picture

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html Death Toll Rises to 91 in Norway Attacks

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The Norwegian police on Saturday charged a 32-year-old man, whom they identified as a Christian fundamentalist with right-wing connections, over the bombing of a government center here and a shooting attack on a nearby island that together left at least 91 people dead.

The police said they did not know if the man, identified by the Norwegian media as Anders Behring Breivik, was part of a larger conspiracy. He is being questioned under the country’s terrorism laws, the police said, and is cooperating with the investigation of the attacks, the deadliest on Norwegian soil since World War II.

“We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,” a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised news conference. “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.” So far Mr. Breivik has not been linked to any anti-jihadist groups, he said.

Pastor Glenn Entwistle's picture

Once again the media just drops in a line to try and stir up an emotional response. It's an old tactic that still works, unfortunately.

Pastor Glenn Entwistle's picture

Sorry about that. I was responding to the first posted link which just throws the idea in without any official connection. As for him not being a fundamentalist, well, now we have to argue about labels again Smile

Pastor Glenn Entwistle's picture

I'll be interested to see how they have established this link. It's one think to mention being a religious zealot but Christian fundamentalist is pretty specific language.

J Ng's picture

Can you imagine what it must be like at the HQ of the Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami (the Helpers of the Global Jihad) on finding out that it was some white, blue-eyed infidel dude who did this http://www.examiner.com/ci​vil-rights-in-jersey-city/​media-prints-cia-lie-stati​ng-muslim-group-claimed-re​sponsibility-for-olso-atta​ck#ixzz1Sw9hA9ca ]and not one of their own as first reported ?

Like, phew!

Chip Van Emmerik's picture

How did we get from this quote in the first news article:

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Even police confessed to not knowing much about the suspect, but details trickled out about him all day: He had ties to a right-leaning political party, he posted on Christian fundamentalist websites, and he rented a farm where police found 9,000-11,000 pounds (4,000-5,000 kilograms) of fertilizer.

to this quote in another paper:
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“We are not sure whether he was alone or had help,” a police official, Roger Andresen, said at a televised news conference. “What we know is that he is right-wing and a Christian fundamentalist.”

Surely they have more evidence than "he posted on Christian fundamental websites" if they are going to declare he is a fundamental Christian.

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

Dan B.'s picture

Let's not forget Europe is largely oblivious to American Fundamentalism. Their idea of Fundamentalism conjures up, well, precisely the type of thing that just (sadly) happened. (Although, the gap between these two senses is shrinking even in America, no?)

Andrew K.'s picture

Yeah, I remember him posting on SharperIron. It worried me at the time, just how frighteningly passionate he was about the fundamentals of the faith. Meh

Seriously though, don't you think it might be time to ditch the term when the rest of the world has appropriated "fundamentalist" as a nifty handle for any kind of radical, violent freak who ostensibly holds religious views?

神是爱

Wayne Wilson's picture

Thanks for the link. That was quite a video this killer made! What would yone call it: a call to arms? A motivational documentary?

He seems mostly focused on preserving European Civilization from Islamic dominance. Apparently there is a group of new self-appointed Knight Templars formed in 2002. They call themselves the Infidel Resistance. The film invites people to become Justiciar Knights in their own country. There are almost no references to Christianity directly, but many manly images of Crusaders and mini-biographies of famous generals who defeated Islamic armies. Slogans are along the lines of "Banish Islam from Europe" and "Never Surrender to Cultural Marxism" which means political correctness and diversity. It does not really have a racist component. The group seems to regard Nazis as evil, but Communists are worse. It upholds South Korea and Japan as model modern societies because of their cultural purity.

The scariest part is a kind of hunter's permit. It says Marxist Hunter: Multi-cultural Traitor Hunter's Permit. Then it says, Tagging not required. No limit. 1999-2083.

The organization plans to win the Civil War for Europe by 2083. Phase I will last about 30years.

A few kooks or a movement? Who knows, but it may well be attractive to young men fearing the loss of their civilization. The slaughter in Norway seems to be a kind of opening salvo.

Fundamentalist Christian? Not in any sense we would use the word. The examples of great men are all Roman Catholic.

J Ng's picture

Wayne Wilson wrote:
Thanks for the link. That was quite a video this killer made! What would yone call it: a call to arms? A motivational documentary?

He seems mostly focused on preserving European Civilization from Islamic dominance. Apparently there is a group of new self-appointed Knight Templars formed in 2002. They call themselves the Infidel Resistance. The film invites people to become Justiciar Knights in their own country. There are almost no references to Christianity directly, but many manly images of Crusaders and mini-biographies of famous generals who defeated Islamic armies. Slogans are along the lines of "Banish Islam from Europe" and "Never Surrender to Cultural Marxism" which means political correctness and diversity. It does not really have a racist component. The group seems to regard Nazis as evil, but Communists are worse. It upholds South Korea and Japan as model modern societies because of their cultural purity.

The scariest part is a kind of hunter's permit. It says Marxist Hunter: Multi-cultural Traitor Hunter's Permit. Then it says, Tagging not required. No limit. 1999-2083.

The organization plans to win the Civil War for Europe by 2083. Phase I will last about 30years.

A few kooks or a movement? Who knows, but it may well be attractive to young men fearing the loss of their civilization. The slaughter in Norway seems to be a kind of opening salvo.

Fundamentalist Christian? Not in any sense we would use the word. The examples of great men are all Roman Catholic.

Thx, Wayne. Personally, I think the guy's got mental problems in addition to his murderous, anti-Christian streak. I mean, he totally miscalculated the effects of his mission--how many more (probably fewer) Norwegians would now be won over to his cause!

Not that the media and political reaction has been overly clever either, resolving not to http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013... "keep all this wealth to ourselves" as a result of the rampage but to open the door to greater jihadist immigration.

Perhaps they need to check out a couple of clips that might underlie what they term "Islamophobia":

  1. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e38_1311456981 ]Claiming "Allahu Akhbar" whether for or against the government may not be a good way to experience multiculturalism.
  2. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1a5_1311501413 ]Sharia law treatment of thieves might not be the most acceptable or suitable for European "monocultures."
  3. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ce2_1311328714 ]The brutal execution of female murderers in this GRAPHIC video may offend some of their Liberal sensitivities.

    That's before they think about how noble and humanitarian the culture of Secular Humanism is, based on those regimes built on that religion over the last century.

Chip Van Emmerik's picture

This quote is chilling

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It found Muslims will be more than one-quarter of the Earth's population by 2030 -- but only 8% of the population in Europe and 6.5% of the population in Norway.

After the disruption caused in the French and Danish (I think) riots a few years back, I just assumed the immigration numbers were much higher. To think that this small a population could create such an uproar is startling. FWIW, Wikipedia says the Muslim population in the U.S. was only 0.8% of the population in 2009. But, still.

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

farmer Tom N's picture

I thought the claim he was a fundamentalist Christian was highly doubtful the first time I saw it,

but when I read the link to the NY Times this morning from Drudge,

[url ]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/24/world/europe/24oslo.html?partner=rss&e...

my suspicions were confirmed,

A little test for all you fellow fundamentalist wacko's like me out there,

if you are listing philosophers who influence your thinking would it include any of these,

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"A Facebook page and Twitter account were set up under his name days before the rampage. The Facebook page cites philosophers like Machiavelli, Kant and John Stuart Mill. "

That's the one's I list, you too, right?

NOT SO MUCH!!

J Ng's picture

‎" http://www.ibtimes.com/art​icles/186020/20110725/ande​rs-breivik-manifesto-shoot​er-bomber-downplayed-relig​ion-secular-influence-key.​htm ]If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian ... I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person as that would be a lie. I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment.... Religion is a crutch for many weak people and many embrace religion for self serving reasons as a source for drawing mental strength ," he wrote.

That's just great! As it turns out, it's Islamic Fundamentalists and Secular Humanist Fundamentalists who terrorize western nations and NOT Christian Fundamentalists. Guess it's kinda embarrassing, but will the Christianophobic media now start going after their own kind?

http://www.ibtimes.com/art​icles/186020/20110725/ande​rs-breivik-manifesto-shoot​er-bomber-downplayed-relig​ion-secular-influence-key.​htm

Gerry Carlson's picture

Mollie Ziegler over at Get Religion points out the following:

Meanwhile, the deputy police chief announced that the shooter was a “Christian fundamentalist” but no one has reported either the evidence for the claim or how the police determined that. Whatever the case, he may be the only Freemason, Rome-leaning, Protestant fundamentalist in the world.

Mollie's piece is an interesting read to counter the "facts lite" headlines that spilled out after the shooter was identified as a blond, white Norwegian and not an Islamic Terrorist.
[url ]http://www.getreligion.org/2011/07/the-atlantic-has-the-terrorist-all-fi...

Full disclosure: I am a third generation 3/4 Norwegian (1/4 Swede). My grandmother would have had some choice words for this type of individual. She would have chased him with her purse swinging, just like she did to hoodlums in pre and post WWII Chicago. Not sure there are many Natalie Leir's in today's gentler Norway. Grandma loved people, but she would not abide foolishness.

Gerry Carlson