By Jim Apr 24 2013 South DakotaChurch PlantingJerry & Crystal Miller Regular Baptist Southtown Church Planters 7322 reads There are 19 Comments We are moving this Saturday, JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 10:39am We are moving this Saturday, so if you want to contact us, the home phone number listed on our website will not be working until after Monday. We just got the web site up and going this week, so it is still a work in progress. Thank you Jim for posting this for us- we covet the prayers of the SI community. "Southtown Church"!? Greg Linscott - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 10:45am "Southtown Church"? WHERE IS THE BAPTIST? We in Marshall are thrilled at how the Lord is opening the doors for you and your family. We will pray for you, and look forward to seeing how we can help and encourage the work there in the days that lie ahead. Greg Linscott Marshall, MN Greg, you can find the word JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 11:00am Greg, you can find the word Baptist on the home page, on each of the links in the link page, and on the "Meet the Millers" page. I understand your tongue in cheek, but for those who are serious, I am not ashamed to be identified as a Baptist. Thank you Greg and the church at Marshall for the prayers and the encouragement. Your love and friendship are so appreciated. Jerry, Just curious here. Chip Van Emmerik - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 11:38am Jerry, Just curious here. It appears you have a KJV verse on your home page. Is that the version you are planning to use in your plant? Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things? Is this a team effort or ? Jim - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 12:00pm Jerry ... just you and Crystal or are you part of a team? And if a team, who are the other team members? Thanks Twitter Jim's Doctrinal Statement Chip, good question. I used JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 1:24pm Chip, good question. I used the KJV on the website because I have a program that copy and pastes verses in with the push of a few buttons and it is KJV. I currently use the KJV because that is what I am familiar with, but I plan to switch over to the NKJV because the KJO influence is really strong amongst independent Baptist churches in that area (as is Landmarkism/Baptist Brider) and I do not want to be identified with that at all. I like the NASB, but I am so used to the KJV that I think the NKJV would be an easier transition for me. If anyone has a Ryrie NKJV, please let me know, I'd love to get it (I hear they were only out for a little while and are quite rare). Team JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 1:35pm Jim, we do not have an official team, but we do have some team members to help us. First, my wife's sister, Bethany, just graduated from High School last year and has not yet decided where to go to college, so she decided to move to Worthing with us and help with the church plant and go to school in Sioux Falls. Further, there are several churches in SW MN and NW IA who have been praying for years for a church plant in the Sioux Falls area. A couple of them have pastors who are SI members :). They are are willing to send teams over from time to time. I also know some retired pastors in the area who I can call for extra support if needed. Ryrie NKJV? Wow Kevin Subra - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 1:42pm You're looking at a LOOOOOONG ways back. Moody dropped it for the NASB95 Ryrie (yes, that long ago). I'll see if I can locate your address, and try to send you a NKJV (I've had a stock) of some type. I'm NKJV-only. (Just kidding - I do like more literal translations, but have chosen the NKJV for the abundant simplified textual variant notes.) On another note, my daughter, son-in-law (+ 1 2yr old daughter and one on the way) live in Sioux Falls. I passed on the link to this thread and to your web site. She is going to e-mail you for information just to find out more. They've lived in the area about a year, but are not wholly settled because of an unsold house in Iowa. It does appear that Sioux Falls is in need of more good churches. For the Shepherd and His sheep, Kevin Grateful husband of a Proverbs 31 wife, and the father of 15 blessings. http://captive-thinker.blogspot.com Kevin, I would love to get Crystal - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 1:58pm Kevin, I would love to get in contact with your daughter! We have the 4 boys-from 5 down to 17 months. I am looking forward to meeting new people and starting new friendships in that area! It has been really neat to see all the little and big things that the Lord has done along the way. There have been so many different things happen that have no other explanation than that the Lord was at work. Just a reminder- The 605-372-0060 number will not be in service till probably Tuesday. JD, I found while I was Chip Van Emmerik - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 2:44pm JD, I found while I was pastoring that changing the translation on my website and bulletins tended to keep the crazies away and minimize the KJVO distractions. I also grew up KJV and didn't really see a problem with it. Then I switched to the MacArthur's NKJV close to 10 years ago and really liked it. Now I have switched to his ESV in the last year or 2 and like it even more. Good luck. Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things? Thank you Chip. Your reasons JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:00pm Thank you Chip. Your reasons are exactly why I want to switch from the KJV. It is sad that it has come to this, because I really like the KJV, but as I preach, I also see more and more reasons why I would like preaching from an updated version better. So often I come across words or phrases that were a great translation 400 years ago, but now need to be retranslated into 2013 English. Those crazies Donn R Arms - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:00pm Chip Van Emmerik wrote: changing the translation on my website and bulletins tended to keep the crazies away Condescension is a fairly effective way of keeping crazies away as well. Would it not be better to reach out to a KJV onlyier and teach him? You have to love a guy who is committed to what he believes is the truth. My last church had a KJV culture. The president of the Dean Burgeon Society was one of my deacons. After a year of patient teaching most carried a NASB to church. Donn R Arms Fair use guidelines JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:08pm Chip, based on the fair use guidelines, it looks like I need written permission to us the NKJV on the website. Here is what I found http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-King-James-Version-NKJV-Bible/ If you know of another version that I could use without that, let me know and I could update things today. NKJV- Not exactly Greg Linscott - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:16pm Jerry, In the front of most NKJV Bibles, there will be this statement (in addition to the information on BibleGateway you linked to): However, when quotations from the NKJV text are used in church bulletins, orders of service, Sunday School lessons, church newsletters and similar works in the course of religious instruction or services at a place of worship or other religious assembly, the following notice may be used at the end of each quotation: "NKJV." Link Basically, they just require you to cite using "NKJV," and this will cover you for up to 250 verses. Greg Linscott Marshall, MN Donn, thank you for your JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:16pm Donn, thank you for your patient teaching on the subject. I too was once KJVO and am thankful for those who taught me. At the same time we are dealing with a totally new church in an area where the KJO, Hyles, Baptist Brider types already have a reputation of infiltrating and taking over independent Baptist churches. I believe it is important to let people know right away that is not where we are at nor is that where we intend to go. Greg this is the part that JD Miller - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:19pm Greg this is the part that made me think that I needed permission. I put the website in bold below. I will have to contact them to get clarification. Not covered by Fair Use: Scripture on a product in which the verse stands alone such as artwork, notecards, crafts, novelty products, jewelry. Use of charts, maps, illustrations, footnotes, study notes, reference material, and the like. Fair use guidelines do not apply to smart phone applications, media platforms, websites, or related digital products. If you are interested in using an entire book of the Bible or an entire Bible translation, please contact Thomas Nelson's licensing department. "If you are interested in using... an entire Bible translation" Greg Linscott - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:31pm I think the key there is if you wanted to produce large sections, or even the entire text on your website or in a Bible study app. A citation of a verse here and there is something they tend to encourage, and even make things like linking tools available to make it easier to cite on one's internet site, like http://biblia.com/bible/nkjv/Jn1.1 ADDITION: Note this part of their statement: Scripture from any of the Thomas Nelson translations may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic, or audio) up to two Hundred fifty (250) verses or less without written permission... Greg Linscott Marshall, MN NET Bible TylerR - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:33pm JD: You can quote from the NET Bible without authorization. You can download it, or access it online for free here Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? JD Miller wrote: Chip, based Chip Van Emmerik - Wed, 04/24/2013 - 3:38pm JD Miller wrote: Chip, based on the fair use guidelines, it looks like I need written permission to us the NKJV on the website. Here is what I found http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-King-James-Version-NKJV-Bible/ If you know of another version that I could use without that, let me know and I could update things today. I think you would be ok quoting a verse on the home page. This is from the link you provided: Scripture from any of the Thomas Nelson translations may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic, or audio) up to two Hundred fifty (250) verses or less without written permission, as long as the Scripture does not make up more than 25% of the total text in the work and the Scripture is not being quoted in commentary or another Biblical reference work. Please note: Churches requesting to use a small selection of material for church bulletins, sermons or classroom use that falls within our “fair use” guidelines, formal written permission is not necessary. Churches may use stand-alone quotations/scriptures in sermons, bulletins, newsletters, or projected in a worship setting without asking written permission provided the translation is correctly cited. Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?