John MacArthur: The Democratic Party “adopted the sins of Romans 1 as their platform”

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Joel Tetreau's picture

Well - it's just too bad John's not more militant.

SA!

jt

Dr. Joel Tetreau serves as Senior Pastor, Southeast Valley Bible Church (sevbc.org); Regional Coordinator for IBL West (iblministry.com), Board Member & friend for several different ministries;

Mike Harding's picture

Joel,

 

JM is very militant on doctrinal issues.  I appreciate his comments here a great deal.  The fundamentalists I know and fellowship with are also militant and have been sayings similar things to JM's comments for many, many years.  Of all the men classified as conservative evangelicals, I think JM is the finest example.  Yes, I have some disagreements and some differences, but overall I appreciate him and have done so for many years.

 

I just tallied a long list of President Obama's opposition to freedom of religion, Christian virtues, Christian organizations, Christian traditions, the nation of Israel, along with his sympathetic rhetoric and excuse making for Islam.  This president is part of God's judgment on America and American Christians who helped to both place and keep him in office.  Offenses must come but woe to him by whom they come.  I fear for my children and grandchildren.  They will have to endure what this country is becoming.  Meanwhile, we preach the Gospel, the whole counsel of God, live god-fearing lives, pray for our leaders, and practice good Christian citizenship.

Pastor Mike Harding

Joel Tetreau's picture

Harding, you kill me!

I've gotten to the place that I know almost exactly how to make you talk.

One of those is when I say "John needs to be more militant." Every time I say that "tongue in cheek" you show up! I don't know if you remember but one time after a Mid-America Conference on Preaching years ago, you and I had a fun  conversation about Mac. Hey bro - I know you appreciate him and I know where you disagree with him and you need to know while I probably don't share your views, I understand and even respect your views. I know I can be passionate - but hopefully I am at least as gracious and understanding as I am militant.

Please know I share your views concerning the current administrations' opposition to what we all fundamentalists (of any and all stripes) hold dear. Yes - let's redouble our efforts to preach and live a pure a gospel! God bless you Mike. I pray you are encouraged as you faithfully lead the ministry there in Troy.

Straight Ahead bro!

jt

Dr. Joel Tetreau serves as Senior Pastor, Southeast Valley Bible Church (sevbc.org); Regional Coordinator for IBL West (iblministry.com), Board Member & friend for several different ministries;

WilliamD's picture

The U.S. is becoming in full bloom what it reshaped itself to become since 1865 after the Civil War: A government that will take the place of God and determine morals for its people. This kind of government was a result of the Christian base that had started buying into human determinism as promoted by men like Charles Finney and later, Henry Ward Beecher. Because Christians have ridden that train to the end of the track, we have lost our salt and have failed to preserve the nation as a God fearing people.  Human will is king!  The rest of the populace is only a few steps ahead in depravity than the Christian mainstream church is at this point. 

 

God's judgment is already upon our nation as He continues to give us over to our own lusts. Perhaps in the midst of judgment He may show mercy and revive whatever is left of American Christianity that still has some life in it.

Habakkuk 3:2  O LORD, revive Your work in the midst of the years! In the midst of the years make it known; In wrath remember mercy.

James K's picture

The prophets were all clear: the nations will all be found guilty before God.  America was never Christian.  Less overtly evil than others?  Sure.  Let's not forget about the way the oh so (not)holy Puritans persecuted the saints early on this land.

Governments are evil.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Rob Fall's picture

As for my bolded sentence, "Justice for Obediah Holmes!!" 

James K wrote:

The prophets were all clear: the nations will all be found guilty before God.  America was never Christian.  Less overtly evil than others?  Sure.  Let's not forget about the way the oh so (not)holy Puritans persecuted the saints early on this land.

Governments are evil.

Hoping to shed more light than heat..

Jim's picture

James K wrote:
Governments are evil.

James, I would like to challenge you about this assertion.

Are all governments evil? (For example: My local government of Plymouth MN, my county government of Hennepin, State government of Minnesota, the Bassett Creek Watershed Management Commission (our water district that has government functions and elected officials), etc). Where is the evil ... I mean would it be found in the organization documents? The elected officials? The staff?) 

Help me to understand your view. 

Thank you

Rob Fall's picture

I can hardly think of the Pacifica City Council or the North Coast County Water District as evil.    On the other hand, there is the Board of Supervisors for the City and County of San Francisco.

Hoping to shed more light than heat..

Jim's picture

Once I had car problems with and old VW Beetle. A cop ... I mean a policeman gently pushed me with his vehicle several blocks into a service center. 

 

Once again challenging the view that "governments are evil".

 

Jay's picture

James K wrote:
The prophets were all clear: the nations will all be found guilty before God.  America was never Christian.  Less overtly evil than others?  Sure.  Let's not forget about the way the oh so (not)holy Puritans persecuted the saints early on this land.

Governments are evil.

Which is why everyone should vote for me to be President! I'll be a great Emperor President, once I get all of those pesky extraneous laws out of the way and make government work the way I need it to.  :)

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

James K's picture

The message of the prophets is clear that the nations are all under judgment.  The Messiah's kingdom will invade this world and do away with these petty kingdoms.  Revelation makes it clear: the kingdoms of this world will belong to God and His Christ.

The government can help restrain evil to a point, but they themselves are not righteous or morally neutral.  The god of this age works to keep men blinded.

Jim, that water facility is part of a larger, evil system.  It is so completely worthless to God, that it will all burn up in the fires of judgment.  Yes, even those documents.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

jhalstead's picture

I would disagree that Governments are worthless to God.  Doesn't Romans make it clear that the government is created and empowered by God?

Greg Long's picture

Governments are full of evil (in the sense of depraved, which we all are) people. Governments often make evil laws and perform evil actions. But government as an institution is not evil. It was established by God, is used by God to accomplish His purposes, and is something every Christian is called to submit to.

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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)

Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA

Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University

Steve Davis's picture

James K wrote:

Governments are evil.

 

Government is ordained by God and not evil per se. Governments may be evil and all governors are depraved and must themselves be governed. I will take the worst government over anarchy any day.

James K's picture

Saying that God ordained government doesn't make government righteous or even good.  God created a perfect environment, yet because of sin, it is cursed in every way.

1 Jn 5:19

We know that we are of God, and the whole world is under the sway of the evil one.

Again, the prophets declare that all the nations are under the judgment of God.  Not a single government is good.  They are all evil.

The kingdom of Christ is free from the taint of sin and is perfectly righteous.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.