Evangelicals to Trump: ‘History Will Record the Greatness That You Have Brought’

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dgszweda's picture

What is really sad is when the media and so called "leaders" proclaim that these individuals are evangelical Christians.  Paula White, who is heretical, a female pastor and has had three marriages is viewed as someone representing the views of a Christian.  Unfortunately, History will not record the greatness.  So sad that between this posting and the Liberty movie that Christians view this as a "prophetic savior".  When I was younger, I wondered how the AntiChrist was really going to come to power and really fool everyone.  Now I am quite convinced that this will be easier for Satan than we really realize, and it will probably be the fake church that ushers him in.  Well we know that Trump disdains fake news, but seems to embrace the fake church.

GregH's picture

Hey don't knock him. He also stated in this speech that Christians can now say "Merry Christmas" again. He is fixing things right and left.

Jay's picture

Greatness?

The great mess Trump has made, perhaps.

I continue to appalled and amazed at how many Christians continue to support President Trump and his sinful and foolish behavior.  At least we know that some of the people involved with this are false teachers.

As for this:

At the dinner, Trump claimed he ended “attacks on communities of faith.” “We’ve taken action to defend the religious conscience of doctors, nurses, teachers, students, preachers, faith groups, and religious employers,” he said in a speech laden with references to God. 

What the President and Congress gives can also be rescinded by the President and Congress.  Just keep that in mind...the backlash against Trump’s presidency is going to be something to behold.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Darrell Post's picture

"Greatness" wasn't an option on the ballot in 2016, which said more about the citizenry than it did about the candidates. The two options were horribly flawed individuals. Even so, I am thankful at least we got Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh (yet to be confirmed), plus a host of conservative justices at the circuit court level. It doesn't take much imagination to see what sort of judicial nominees President Hillary Clinton would have given us. 

So the judicial appointments alone will long outlast the Trump presidency, with all its warts. We will have to wait and see the outcomes of some of Trump's other moves in regards to trade and the economy. I understand he has done some good work in the area of deregulation and rolling back some of President Obama's excesses. 

But whenever I see any article involving evangelicals and Trump, my reaction is to say 'God-fearing, morally sound, and personal integrity' wasn't a 2016 general election ballot option. I know there were some evangelicals who enthusiastically supported Trump in the primary to which I shake my head in disbelief, but once the options were reduced to Trump vs Clinton, evangelicals who did not support either in the primary had to choose between these two if they wanted to have any say in the outcome. 

 

dgszweda's picture

Darrell Post wrote:

So the judicial appointments alone will long outlast the Trump presidency, with all its warts.

I don't support much of the approach that Trump has taken.  But I am glad for the infusion of the right viewpoints into the judicial system and some of the pro-business activities he has taken.  Otherwise, not much else has been redeeming.

dgszweda's picture

Jim wrote:

https://centralseminary.edu/not-my-president/

 

One of the words in that cartoon is extremely bad, and I would recommend that it be taken down.  Extremely offensive.  Take a look at the last frame and look up what c**** means.  Should never have been posted.

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Apart from the appropriateness of the cartoon, that is exactly where many of us stand today.  And I agree with Darrell, too.  Not all of us thought it would be helpful to vote 3rd-party, and judged Trump, with all his flaws, to be better than the alternative.  Now that he's president, those like me don't think everything he is doing is good, by a long shot, but a lot of what is getting done policy-wise, is much better than the alternative would have been.  Even in hindsight, I would have made the same decision at the voting booth.

Dave Barnhart

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dgszweda wrote:

Jim wrote:

https://centralseminary.edu/not-my-president/

One of the words in that cartoon is extremely bad, and I would recommend that it be taken down.  Extremely offensive.  Take a look at the last frame and look up what c**** means.  Should never have been posted.

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cuck 

A man who is desperate for acceptance, approval, and affection from women. This desperation has led to the compromise of his beliefs and values, the desecrationof his dignity and self-worth, and his inability to stand up for himself and what he deserves as a human being, eg. loyalty, fidelity, and honesty in a romantic relationship.

John E.'s picture

If that's true, then my BJU Shakespeare professor has some 'splaining to do.

Cuck comes from cuckold, and while a pejorative and not a word that should be applied to someone lightly (if at all), I think very few people find the word itself offensive. Prior to five minutes ago, I would've written probably no one finds the word itself offensive, but .... here we are.

Expanding on D.L. Creed's definition, it refers to a man who knows he is married to an unfaithful woman but refuses to do anything about it. 

ScottS's picture

Oxford dictionary says "cuck" is:

US informal A weak or servile man (often used as a contemptuous term for a man with moderate or progressive political views).

So in the context of the cartoon, it seems it is used exactly correctly, without anything I can see that would be "extremely offensive."

Scott Smith, Ph.D.

The goal now, the destiny to come, holiness like God—
Gen 1:27, Lev 19:2, 1 Pet 1:15-16

Bert Perry's picture

I think we need to reevaluate passages like Ephesians 4:29 in light of the fact that those Anglo-Saxon words only became unacceptable after the Battle of Hastings, and hence the primary point of Paul's prohibition of "corrupt communication" cannot possibly be just those words.  Plus, Scripture refers in no uncertain terms to the perpetrators of adultery.  Can that be OK, but somehow it's wrong to refer to the victims?

Never mind the fact that I personally consider being called "Nazi" or "Hitler" a wee bit more corrupt than "cuck".   Yes, there's a point where the seriousness of the sin just boggles the imagination, and there's not a whole lot of point comparing some sins, but I dare say the allegation of wholesale slaughter of over ten million people beats out being cheated on by your wife.  Just sayin'. 

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

dgszweda's picture

John E. wrote:

I would've written probably no one finds the word itself offensive, but .... here we are.

It is heavily used in the world of pornography, and probably why no one finds it offensive is that their blockers may be blocking it.  If you turn your blockers off, and type cuckold into Google Search, you will find that >90% of the returns on the first 3 pages are anywhere from soft pornography to extremely hard pornography.  After the first three pages it becomes 100% of the returns.

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dgszweda, I don't doubt that you're correct about Google search results of the word. Sadly, we could put together a whole list of words that have an appropriate contextual use that if we were to type into a search engine would result in pornographic links. I'm not sure it's necessary to start banning words because they're used by pornographers. 

dgszweda's picture

John E. wrote:

dgszweda, I don't doubt that you're correct about Google search results of the word. Sadly, we could put together a whole list of words that have an appropriate contextual use that if we were to type into a search engine would result in pornographic links. I'm not sure it's necessary to start banning words because they're used by pornographers. 

I would agree, if this was something sometimes results in pornographic links.  What I am trying to indicate is that there is practically no legitimate use for it today, especially when 100% of the results come back as pornography.  That is because today the word is not used in how you think or how Oxford defines it.  How it is being used today, and how the younger generation would view it is that "it is another man taking another man's wife, having relationships with her, and turning that man into a cuckold".  If no one really cares, that is the choice of the moderators.  The fact that besides about 5 sites that are returned back are okay to view and the other 99.99% sites are hardcore pornography, should add caution to us in how the word is used today in the world.  In the modern world this term is no longer viewed as a general word, but a word that defines a type of pornography.  Obviously the world understands it to be this way, just not Sharperiron.

John E.'s picture

No one on SI (that I'm aware of) is advocating that the word become part of our daily lexicon. We're simply defending Jim against your accusation that he used an "extremely offensive" word.

You wrote:

In the modern world this term is no longer viewed as a general word, but a word that defines a type of pornography.  Obviously the world understands it to be this way, just not Sharperiron.

It defines a certain type of pornography, true. But there are many words that define certain types of pornography. The fetish industry is not only wicked, it's prevalent. I'm not debating that. Once again, by your standard, we could find many words that we'd have to label "extremely offensive" because they've been co-opted by the fetish porn industry.

Just because a word defines a type of pornography doesn't mean that the type of pornography provides the only definition of the word(s). The world understands what I just wrote. The alt-right has adopted it to describe what they believe are cowards who are too weak to stand up for themselves politically and who vote against their own self-interest. As a #NeverTrump writer, I've been called that word more times than I can count, often followed by the threat of violence and even death threats. I'm pretty sure that I have a fairly good handle on what many in the world mean by that word. 

 

Bert Perry's picture

One of the nastiest parts of the Internet is the tendency of pornographers to use otherwise innocent words like "bunny" to link to their wares.  Hadn't known that "cuckold" was such a keyword, and hopefully David managed to learn that without a nasty meeting with HR or something like that.  :^)

Regarding the Google search correlation, the question I've got is why one would search for "cuckolds" on Google in ordinary life.  It's a word with Shakespearean and some other uses, but I just don't get why one would look it up on Google search.  "Hmm....let's see if I can find some articles, pictures, and videos about men whose wives cheated on them!"  Um, no.  I'm content to know what the word means and have it used simply with classic literature, biology, and the like--if we want to do guilt by association, count me out.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

ScottS's picture

Assuming this site's information is reasonably accurate (and I have no idea how accurate, though the information is interesting on the evolution of the use, if that evolution is accurate), then the term "cuck" that is in question here is fairly new in use for political purposes (ca. 2016), but definitely rising in popularity for that type of usage. So in short, here we seem to have a case where the word was more associated to porn, but is actually becoming more used in the political sphere similar to how the comic utilized it.

Scott Smith, Ph.D.

The goal now, the destiny to come, holiness like God—
Gen 1:27, Lev 19:2, 1 Pet 1:15-16

Bert Perry's picture

Scott, while I'd bet "cuck" will be making, sadly, its porn debut, we will yet have a distinction between the political "cuck" and the pornographic use of "cuckold".  Can't see myself using it much outside of historic literature and perhaps biology, though.  I do not "get" the historic thought of finding humor in adultery, to put it mildly.  

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

ScottS's picture

Bert, as I understand it, the word was already well established in porn (so no debut waiting), but has been acquired and redefined for political usage (so the opposite of words normally getting appropriated the other way around). But I agree, I had never even heard this shortened form of cuckold until this thread (and still probably would not have if dgszweda had not pointed out his objections), and I don't expect seeing myself using it again outside this thread. Though if I see it used now, in the political sense, I'll have a better understanding of it.

Scott Smith, Ph.D.

The goal now, the destiny to come, holiness like God—
Gen 1:27, Lev 19:2, 1 Pet 1:15-16

Jim's picture

This 'controversy' (kerfuffle) over the 'c' word reminds me of ....

[Aside: one of the great things about being retired!]

On a phone conference call with a female who ranked me by several levels ... I had to deliver some bad news about something she had not done and needed to do.

She accused me of using my "angry voice" (I did have a 'rasp' from the after effects of a cold). The more I protested the greater her rage!

The moment the call ended, I high-tailed it (as fast as someone with crutches can go) to my manager's office on the same floor but some walk away.

Just as I arrived out of breath, his phone rang with her call complaining about me.

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Outcome: I had to see a throat specialist <--------- company request