By TylerR Aug 22 2018 Social JusticeJohn MacArthurMacArthur on Social JusticeSometime after I entered full-time ministry, it dawned on me (to my profound shock) that the greatest threats to biblical truth typically arise from within the fellowship of professing believers—and it is a relentless parade of attacks. See the rest of the series here. 2621 reads There are 11 Comments Easing into it, isn't he? Bert Perry - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 12:04pm Hasn't even gotten to the point of defining the problem as he sees it. Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. Framing the Historical Context Mark_Smith - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 12:09pm It seems he is trying to frame the historical context... It feels like one of those click-bait links on the internet. It tells you some story by giving you a picture and half a sentence on each slide. Cat TylerR - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 12:10pm We're like kittens chasing the string ... ! Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? In defence of Mac Bert Perry - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 12:50pm Doing this demonstrates that he's not singling out SJWs any worse than anyone else; he's an equal opportunity offender. Still irritating, though. Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. (Whistling.....) Larry Nelson - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 12:50pm Bert Perry wrote: Hasn't even gotten to the point of defining the problem as he sees it. I hear he's kinda busy dealing with some other, pressing matters...... Patience TylerR - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 1:04pm He's established a good foundation. I'm not worried about waiting! Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Actually, this is part 2 of Joel Shaffer - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 7:48pm Actually, this is part 2 of his series, https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B180822 while the link above is part 1. Depends TylerR - Wed, 08/22/2018 - 10:59pm Joel: His intro was part 1, then he did part 2 on Monday (this post), and just today he posted part 3. Strangely, MacArthur's own numbering is off: He didn't title his intro part 1 He entitled his part 2 as part 1. He titled his part 3 as part 2. Go figure ... Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? The third installment dropped late Wednesday Mark_Smith - Thu, 08/23/2018 - 8:03am and John is in full meddling mode. He went after worship and music, as well as the general approach to ministry that is all too common today, which is to attract the lost by looking a whole lot like the world. For a year or two, I have been reading Thom Rainer's blog (Thom is the president of Lifeway Christian Stores, btw, and is a big guy in the Southern Baptist Convention). It is full tilt pragmatism, with just enough gospel to keep it honest. The people love it over there. There are some good things to learn there, but the pragmatism is thick and cannot be challenged. I bring that up to show the extent of pragmatism in the church. It isn't just Hybels' family tree. While he hasn't taken aim directly at social justice yet, it is clear he intends to place it in the broader trend of taking things from the world and applying them to the church. I agree with rejecting this, but you have to be clear about what you mean, and most people don't listen! For example, women are spiritually equal to men. Women are to be treated respectfully by all. All sexual abuse is to be taken seriously, etc. However, the #metoo movement is a purely worldly phenomenon. The same goes with BLM and recent trends in racism, as well as immigration. Even more uneasy Bert Perry - Thu, 08/23/2018 - 9:47am He starts, really, with a slippery slope (fallacy) argument, that if we adopt the world's methods in worship, we will then adopt the world's message. Obviously that's what happened when Luther adapted secular songs for the great hymns of that faith, and it's what happened when William Booth did the same....oh, wait, the LCMS/LCWS are still faithful, and the Salvation Army is still faithful..... Hopefully this gets better, but it's really mostly about guilt by association and slippery slope. I do indeed have some objections to great portions of SJW activity, but overall I'm a lot more sanguine about the matter because the Biblical bounds are generally pretty clear. Want to tell me that we ought to take allegations of sexual assault seriously? I'm in. Want to tell me that we ought to simply accent homosexuality? Um, can you google "e coli infection" and get back to me afterwards? I would concur with Larry that Mac has other things on his mind, obviously. That noted, one of the things you do when you've got pressing issues is to lay off the others. Mac needs some friends to tell him "take a break from other stuff, we've got some big deals here that need our attention." Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. In response to MacArthur's Joel Shaffer - Sat, 08/25/2018 - 7:50am In response to MacArthur's part 2 (or part 3 on Sharper Iron), I do agree that there are some evangelicals who have gone down the slippery slope of compromise and have embraced a pragmatic view that if you don't accept the LGBTQ movement with open arms or other social justice issues then the church will somehow die. However, those who are propagating that message come from the progressive evangelical arm and I would even say that many of them weren't really evangelicals in the first place. Here is an article from John Pavlowitz that fits MacArthur's narrative to a T. https://johnpavlovitz.com/2017/06/04/the-christians-making-atheists/?utm... Pavlotwitz grew up Roman Catholic, switched to United Methodist after marrying his wife, attended Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary and then became one of the pastors at Good Shepherd United Methodist Church in Charlotte, NC, and was eventually fired from there for writing articles that didn't fit their view of Christianity. Was he really an evangelical in the first place? If so, was he already connected to bastions of progressive evangelicalism (Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary-Brian McClaren is a regular lecturer there). When I was an adjunct professor at Cornerstone University a decade ago, several of my students who had more progressive leanings were reared in Mainline churches, became Christians in more conservative evangelical youth groups that they attended for a year or 2 and then went to college at Cornerstone U Their faith was a mile wide and an inch thick without much exposure to discipleship. While at Cornerstone, they would attend a progressive evangelical church like Mars Hill Bible Church-when Rob Bell, Shane Hipps, and Kent Dobson were pastors (all of which became heretics) and they had already drank the progressive evangelical Kool-aid where disciple=social justice which replaced the true gospel of Jesus with the social gospel. I also know a few of my students that were discipled in toxic fundamentalist and evangelical churches that ended up progressive evangelical and followed this tragectory from the true gospel to the social gospel. One of my students who used to be an evangelical youth pastor of a Nazarene Church (the church were he grew up in that was toxic in several areas) ended up at Mars Hill Bible church, embraced a very politically left Christian faith (very similar to Sojourners), moved to both Tennessee and Florida in the Bible Belt. When the majority of evangelical churches in the south were not the type of social justice Christians that he was (voting how he voted) and embracing the LGBTQ agenda, he became disallusioned with the Christian Faith, divorced his wife and now is an agnotistic. Slippery slopes can happen, but the problem is when a person like MacArthur seems to overgeneralize the slippery slope argument to everyone.