By TylerR Jun 01 2017 DispensationalismRaptureCripplegate: The dispensationalist in me refuses to give up on Revelation 12, and when properly interpreted, Revelation 12:5 provides still another confirmation of the pre-tribulational rapture. 2510 reads There are 4 Comments No TylerR - Thu, 06/01/2017 - 11:23am Not convinced at all. Seems like far to big a stretch. Seems best to take Rev 12:5 as referring to Jesus ascension, not the rapture of the church. I think far-fetched arguments like this is one of the reasons why dispensationalism has a bad name. I understand good men have argued for the rapture here. Sounds insane to me. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Me neither Jim - Thu, 06/01/2017 - 11:38am I am pre-Trib but have never considered Rev 12:5 as a verse All probably know that Roman Catholics see Mary - Queen of Heaven, in Revelation 12:1, "a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars." Twitter Jim's Doctrinal Statement Eccentric Paul Henebury - Fri, 06/02/2017 - 11:54am I've read this view before and I think it's plain daft. Dr. Paul Henebury I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca. Not Good Defense Ed Vasicek - Sat, 06/03/2017 - 9:44pm I hold to the pretrib rapture, but Revelation 12 has nothing to do with the rapture. "Son" and "male" are parallels, reminiscent of Isaiah 9:6, "For unto us a child is born,unto us a son is given." "The Midrash Detective"