By Aaron Blumer May 11 2018 Andy StanleyOld TestamentStanley: "Jesus' new covenant, His covenant with the nations, His covenant with you, His covenant with us, can stand on its own two nail-scarred resurrection feet. It does not need propping up by the Jewish scriptures" CPost 2513 reads There are 13 Comments To justify this, Stanley Andrew K - Fri, 05/11/2018 - 7:07am To justify this, Stanley preached last month about Acts 15, which described how the early church decided that Gentile converts did not need to strictly observe Jewish law to become Christians. Glad Stanley clarified this for us. So many churches today are trying to bring back animal sacrifices and regulations about trimming beards. You hear about another every week. Rachel Held Evans-Lite John E. - Fri, 05/11/2018 - 7:20am Stanley's comments sound like a "gentler" version of what RHE preaches in her forthcoming book ironically titled Inspired. "No propping up by the Jewish Scriptures" Bert Perry - Fri, 05/11/2018 - 8:25am Yup, absolutely. It's not like Jesus and the Apostles and early leaders of the church ever quoted the Old Testament or anything. Seems that Stanley is getting to be an expert in writing things out of the Bible that cause him difficulty, much like his father's modification of his views on divorce when that became a personal issue for him. Family tradition, I guess. Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. This is so tired and recycled Greg Long - Fri, 05/11/2018 - 1:08pm This is so tired and recycled. Same thing Rob Bell (one more in a long line) began to teach about a trajectory theology (or whatever he called it) that the NT is more enlightened than the OT. What this leads to is we are more enlightened than the NT because we understand slavery is wrong, and therefore it's OK to understand that the NT teaching on women in the church and homosexuality is a product of another time and place. -------Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS) Pastor of Adult MinistriesGrace Church, Des Moines, IA Adjunct Instructor School of Divinity Liberty University Profs Aaron Blumer - Sat, 05/12/2018 - 7:39am His OT profs must be so proud. Same song, second verse? G. N. Barkman - Sat, 05/12/2018 - 8:41am When churches understand that the assembly of the saints is not for evangelism, folly of this variety will suffer its well deserved death. G. N. Barkman Response Jim - Sat, 05/12/2018 - 8:12pm https://theblazingcenter.com/2018/05/i-just-unhitched-jesus-from-the-old... What’s all this stuff in the book of Hebrews about priests and the Most Holy Place and a guy named Melchizedek? It feels kinda like Old Testament stuff to me, and I’m definitely done with that. That horse has been put out to pasture and shipped to the glue factory (that’s how that analogy goes, right?) I’m thinking I should probably unhitch Hebrews as well. And honestly, Galatians is a little on the weird side. It’s like, who are Sarah and Hagar, and why are they so mad at each other? What is this, Jersey Shore? Definitely need to unhitch this as well. Farewell, Galatians. Can we also talk about 2 Corinthians 3? Why does Paul keep going on and on about Old and New Covenants? I’m like, “Dude, we’ve got the resurrection. Why do you keep looking for love in all the wrong places?” Kylo Ren had it right when he said, “Let the past die.” Time to unhitch 2 Corinthians. Twitter Jim's Doctrinal Statement Smiling Bert Perry - Sat, 05/12/2018 - 8:59pm I remember leading a Bible study through Hebrews, and one person constantly complained she didn't get it at all. Now while I "get" people not getting Hebrews, I was amused that this young lady was the only person in the room with a theology degree from Colorado Christian U. Of all people in the room, she's the one who ought to have "gotten" a bit of those wondrous pictures in Hebrews....and apparently she was owed a tuition refund, so to speak. (another two guys spent most of their time arguing Calvin vs. Arminius, neither of them having read a word of either one's writing....suffice it to say that my "classroom management" was less than stellar at times, I'm afraid) Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. Another response Jim - Sun, 05/13/2018 - 10:15am http://www.davidprince.com/2018/05/10/a-response-to-andy-stanley-jesus-a... Stanley summarizes his view of the Old Testament by saying he thought about putting up a slide that read, “Thou shall not obey the Ten Commandments,” but decided against it in fear that people would take a screenshot of it to post online. He might as well have posted the screenshot himself because that is exactly what he is arguing. Stanley contends that the sexual ethic of the New Testament is severed from the teaching of the Old Testament and is simply to “treat others as God in Christ has treated you” and that “Paul is explicit about morality but does not tie it to the Old Testament.” Of course, the New Testament says far more about sexual ethics than Stanley suggests and what it teaches is in complete continuity with the Old Testament. What is going on here? It is tragic, but simple. Stanley is adapting his message to the changing culture that rejects many of the Bible’s teaching about origins and ethics. He is not offering a new approach to the Bible but rather an old one which positions us as judges who pick and choose what really matters in the Bible. That old approach has a name: it’s called theological liberalism. Twitter Jim's Doctrinal Statement Jesus TylerR - Sun, 05/13/2018 - 4:02pm Jesus would like to weigh in on the Old Testament's worth: And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself (Lk 24:25-27) Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Zechariah TylerR - Sun, 05/13/2018 - 4:05pm John the Baptist's father would also like to add his two cents (Lk 1:68-75): Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us; to show the mercy promised to our fathers and to remember his holy covenant, the oath that he swore to our father Abraham, to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies, might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him all our days. So much for context. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Simeon TylerR - Sun, 05/13/2018 - 4:07pm Not to be outdone, Simeon, the man who'd been "waiting for the consolation of Israel" (Lk 2:25), has something to say, too (Lk 2:29-32): Lord, now you are letting your servant depart in peace, according to your word; for my eyes have seen your salvation that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples, a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? Luke TylerR - Sun, 05/13/2018 - 4:09pm Luke, too, kinda thinks the OT is important for us: As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet, The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be made low, and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough places shall become level ways, and all flesh shall see the salvation of God. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?