BJU faulted for response to GRACE report

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dgszweda's picture

These are trying times for the University, and a what I believe will be defining moments for the University.  With declining enrollment and many other Christian universities closing or transforming, it will be interesting to see how BJU handles this.  I hope they do survive, but they may have to do it by being totally different in their approach to their challenges.

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Honestly, who among you did not foresee this reaction to BJU's response?  Unless BJU capitulates to the point where it will no longer stand on scripture, it will always be subject to reactions like this.

Let's say for the sake of argument that BJU no longer kept Berg and Jones on staff, removed any of their counseling materials, and outsourced their counseling to another Christian organization that would be in line with their mission, do you really think that would cause the negative reactions here to cease?

And no matter how conciliatory or thoughtful, what can Steve Pettit say to those who have been hurt by things the university has said or done in the past that will change anything, or actually make their hurts better?  Only God can do that.

It sounds to me as if what is desired and didn't happen is very large reparation payments and punitive damages that will cause the university to close.  Only then will the detractors be happy, because they will then have succeeded in their mission to close BJU.

From what I can see in my visits to the university and now conversations with those trying to change the university to stay in line with scripture but act with the grace they should always have had, they are doing everything in their power to try to navigate those waters.  The real objection is that they still exist and want to do what's right, not just what people demand.

They may close because of loss of students interested in what they have to offer and trying to stand in a culture that increasingly wants nothing to do with Christianity.  If that happens, then so be it.  What would really be sad would be to see them change to the point they are no longer trying to stand on God's word and end up as other universities have that have tried to change their mission.  They could end up just becoming irrelevant and sold off, or maybe worse, grow into something lasting but that has no relation to true Christianity whatsoever.

Dave Barnhart

Michelle Shuman's picture

BJU still has over 2000 students.  It is smaller than it was at its peak, but then so are a lot of other ministries as well.  This is only Steve Pettit's first year.  I believe it will be a couple of years before we see if he can help the school grow any.  Meanwhile, they are getting rid of some things (sold University Place this month) and downsizing accordingly.  

As for this latest news article, nothing is new.  The media is on board with the haters and is doing whatever they can to destroy the University.  That is evident whenever anything remotely related to BJU comes up down here.  I believe the hatred is because these people are really haters of God and His truth.  Praying is our most powerful weapon against God's enemies.

Michelle

 

Michelle Shuman

dgszweda's picture

Michelle Shuman wrote:

BJU still has over 2000 students.  It is smaller than it was at its peak, but then so are a lot of other ministries as well.  This is only Steve Pettit's first year.  I believe it will be a couple of years before we see if he can help the school grow any.  Meanwhile, they are getting rid of some things (sold University Place this month) and downsizing accordingly.  

As for this latest news article, nothing is new.  The media is on board with the haters and is doing whatever they can to destroy the University.  That is evident whenever anything remotely related to BJU comes up down here.  I believe the hatred is because these people are really haters of God and His truth.  Praying is our most powerful weapon against God's enemies.

Michelle

The facts are that enrollment in Christian Universities is rapidly declining.  BJU has a lot of costs, and at some point the tuition will not be able to support the costs needed to run the place.  I think there can be a compelling story for a Christian liberal arts college, but the university has to tell that story.  At this point, whether you call them haters or not, a different story is being told and that story is "louder" than any other story.  This is PR 101.  BJ is going to have to craft a new story for a new age and for a new audience on why this is a compelling solution for a Christian young person.  There are more than just 2,000 children of fundamentalist in this world, but why are only 2,000 people going to the school.  There is, for whatever reason, a more compelling alternative for most Christian parents.  This is what BJ is going to have to get to the root of.  Right now they continue to be behind the 8-ball, and are in reaction mode to everything.  They are not only loosing the message, but they are loosing the overall story.  This is my alma matter so I hope they do survive.  I am rooting for them.  But it is going to have to take some very strong leadership, way beyond the past ability of leading an evangelical team or being a pastor.  I hope Dr. Petit can rise to the occasion and steer the university through these difficult times.

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Michelle Shuman wrote:

BJU still has over 2000 students.  It is smaller than it was at its peak, but then so are a lot of other ministries as well.  This is only Steve Pettit's first year.  I believe it will be a couple of years before we see if he can help the school grow any.  Meanwhile, they are getting rid of some things (sold University Place this month) and downsizing accordingly.  

Michelle

I was just at a presentation given by Pettit and 6 others (VPs and other heads of departments) two weekends ago, and they allowed a lot of frank questions and did their best to answer them.  They gave hard numbers -- the good news is that the campus is entirely paid for, and they are still running with a 1% surplus.  On the downside, that's not much for upgrades, PR, etc., and it wouldn't take much to lose even that thin margin, but they are attempting to do what they can with what they have.  At least they are not losing money yet.

What David said is true -- they are going to have to get their message out there, and they are going to have to convince students that BJU is a value proposition, and that what is gained will be more than worth the expense.  There are a lot of smaller private colleges dealing with the current changes in culture and economy, not just BJU, and not just Christian colleges.  Because of expenses and other reasons, parents and children, even conservative and fundamental Christians, are choosing other options for their students.  The whole educational landscape is going through a sea change, and BJU not only has to deal with that, they are having to deal with criticisms from their past, both legitimate and non-legitimate.  It's going to be a difficult job to rise above all that, but they are going to have to do that, and in my mind at least, without compromising to the culture, if they want BJU to be around long term and still be what it was envisioned to be.

I personally think that from what I have seen so far, and from my limited perspective on the outside, Steve is going a great job.  However, it's still very early in his presidency, and he has taken on a very large and difficult job.  I'm praying that God will use him to accomplish great things.  However, just as we were asked to promise when I graduated in the 80's, I'd rather see BJU close than turn into an institution that succeeds by changing from the very core of their mission.  I think they are making mostly the right changes, and I hope that will continue, but even if they were accomplishing their mission perfectly, the culture shift might make it impossible for a biblical Christian university to succeed for long and still stay true to its stand for Christianity.

Dave Barnhart

Bert Perry's picture

.....from my own teen children about why Christian colleges are going to have trouble attracting students are:

  • Lack of accreditation--your degree means little or nothing outside the Christian ghetto  (e.g. Pensacola)
  • Lack of programs--not much for you if you do not want to be a pastor, pastor's wife, or missionary
  • Lack of academic standards--even by the poor standards of secular schools
  • Rules, rules, rules, leading to the impression of legalism (whether that is fair or not)

Now to be fair, it's obvious BJU and many other schools are working to remedy these situations, and BJU's been better than average among Christian schools for a while.  But that said, the competition for BJU isn't Maranatha or Faith, but rather the big state universities, the network of private universities and liberal arts colleges, and the like.  

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

dgszweda's picture

I would concur with Dave B.  The thing is that if there was any Christian University that had the foundation to succeed, it would be BJ.  They have the most resources and capability to survive this storm.  So to me, it will be a shame if they are not able to navigate through this.  They do have an art gallery that would be able to float them for years if needed.

I would not mind change at all, as long as they don't sacrifice on the fundamentals.  I would be fine if they gave up things like counseling for certain scenarios, certain dress code items, certain rules, get into online teaching and college degrees.....  I think change is needed, both because culture has changed and the very concept around education has changed.  Accreditation is going to be key, key, key for them.  If they don't get that, it may be too great to overcome.

Sean Fericks's picture

The world is simply changing.  Information is cheaper, and cannot be held in monopoly anymore.  When I attended, the library had books that I could not get online.  The classroom had men that could answer questions that I could not get online.  Now, I can take the Great Courses.  If I have a question, the answer may be on CARM, Bible Gateway, or even YouTube.  If I want more than one perspective, I can watch White debate Ehrman.  This is the age of the autodidact.

Bob Jones University's unique product is knowledge.  Sure, they have fellowship, accountability, ministry opportunities, etc.  But these other assets can be found in our families and local churches.  BJU's unique product is becoming less unique.  Therefore, its value is declining.

 

Jay's picture

...if the Greenville news had actually linked to the letter that they sent.

I think that there is room here for both sides.  Judging from what I have read in the GRACE report, BJU is to completely to blame for how they handled cases of reported sexual abuse and rape by victims.  Some of the advice (I hesitate to give it the description of it as 'counseling') that was given was foolish, unhelpful, and irreparably damaging to people (usually women) who were seeking spiritual help and counsel from spiritual authorities that should have known better. It may have been well meaning, but that's cold comfort to a woman who was molested and then asked "if she enjoyed it". That kind of thing makes my blood boil in rage.

Furthermore, it's well past time that some of us who have defended BJU admit that they screwed up in how they handled this counseling.  Are we really surprised that some of these people are so angry at the school, judging from what the school has said?

That being said, some of the groups, IMO, have been hijacked by people with an agenda to attack and destroy Christianity, usually because of past hypocrisy or an antagonism rooted in their atheism, sexual orientation, or whatever.  A cursory review of the DRBJU group(s) makes that obvious.

I am thankful for BJU and for the training that I received there.  But if a victim of the kinds of counsel they gave came to me and said, "We are deeply grieved by your response...", it would get my attention.

I think that a big part of this problem is that BJU is very...insular...in how they manage their organization, and I am hopeful that President Pettit can and will change that. I have serious doubts as to how BJU is handling this because I am legitimately concerned that they aren't looking at this as "we screwed up" as much as "let's see if there's any truth to this."  There's a difference between going along with an reported offense to placate critics and actually owning a transgression that was committed.

I was concerned with their theology department when I was there in Seminary because they did not have anyone teaching who had come from outside of the Bob Jones Academy / University / Seminary ecosystem.  I will continue to fault them for it until that is remedied.  But I say those things because there needs to be an influx of fresh blood in order for the school to continue to prosper, not as someone who wants the school shut down today because of sins from thirty years ago.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Sean Fericks's picture

Probably a topic for another thread, but I was thinking that whenever the world changes, it creates opportunities.  If my sons were to train for the ministry, I would probably want them to do so under the leadership of myself and my church.  I wouldn't necessarily send them 2000 miles away to instructors that I do not know (and pay tens of thousands for the privilege).  But there are topics that I would not have good answers for.  It would be great to have excellent online courses that could be purchased for such purposes.  Think of it as the fundamentalist answer to the Great Courses.

Right now, I would love to purchase a detailed course on the history of the Canon.  When I peruse the BJU catalog, I notice a couple of graduate courses that include the topic, but no courses dedicated to the history of the Canon.  I would also like to see courses on World History, the Cell, Economics, etc.  BJU has the resources to do a great job on these.  If they did it right, it seems that it would increase their revenue stream and increase the knowledge of God's people.

Chip Van Emmerik's picture

Sean Fericks wrote:

Probably a topic for another thread, but I was thinking that whenever the world changes, it creates opportunities.  If my sons were to train for the ministry, I would probably want them to do so under the leadership of myself and my church.  I wouldn't necessarily send them 2000 miles away to instructors that I do not know (and pay tens of thousands for the privilege).  But there are topics that I would not have good answers for.  It would be great to have excellent online courses that could be purchased for such purposes.  Think of it as the fundamentalist answer to the Great Courses.

Right now, I would love to purchase a detailed course on the history of the Canon.  When I peruse the BJU catalog, I notice a couple of graduate courses that include the topic, but no courses dedicated to the history of the Canon.  I would also like to see courses on World History, the Cell, Economics, etc.  BJU has the resources to do a great job on these.  If they did it right, it seems that it would increase their revenue stream and increase the knowledge of God's people.

Check Liberty University Sean.

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

Joeb's picture

I know Bert considers my opinion irrelevant but I am still going to put my 2 cents in.   Jay is right on about BJU not owning their mistakes. That being said I still think BJU has a place as an institution especially since so many other christian institutions have compromised themselves.   Berg and his counseling are not going away and that's BJUs decision to make.  I'm sure BJU is not stupid enough to allow Berg to operate as business as usual.   My brothers law is prof at another baptist christian college and seminary.  It is his opinion that BJU is academically solid so BJU should get accredited and build on that reputation of strong academics. Rules and all.  

Jay's picture

I'd much rather go through BJU for some stuff than Liberty, and it does seem like a really obvious opening.  How many hundreds / thousands of BJU alumni would sign up for something like that through the school they've already matriculated from?

Let's face it, there are a lot of people who go to Liberty because it's the default and others who avoid Liberty because of it's perception as 'liberal' (whatever that means).

As for Berg - I'm really conflicted on him.  I've been through his courses on counseling, and the training I got was light years removed from what GRACE reports.  But as long as he is there, he's going to be a lightning rod for the school and those who see him, right or wrong, as a problem.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

dgszweda's picture

Most Christians that I know at this point in time is that they are very comfortable in sending their kids to a Christian University that is accredited, like Grove City College in PA, or to a local state/community college for their education (where they can be nearby, live at home and participate in their local church).  This is not how it was when I was a college kid, but this is the first time that I have not known anyone who is looking at a Christian college like Bob Jones for their education.  It is like everything quickly shifted overnight.

mmartin's picture

I agree with the thoughts above saying BJU is to be faulted in the past . . . and the present for their insularity, their glacial pace to admit faults (35 years anyone?), their supporters enabling them, and the reasonable basis for people to be so frustrated with them.

As Jay said above, as long as Berg is still at BJU he will continue to be a lightning rod.  BJU stated in their response that they have reviewed Berg's materials, found them to be Biblical, and would continue to sell Berg's materials.  However, this issue is not whether or not his materials are Biblical or not.  Rather, the issue is that Berg was called out by name and was basically the major focus in the entire GRACE report.  Biblical or not, whether we like it or not, Berg is now toxic to BJU.  That may sound harsh, but it is true.  The same goes for BJIII.

This latest open letter and media demonstrates this point.  BJIII and Berg were substantial focus of the GRACE report.  By not doing anything with these men it appears as if BJU hasn't changed or still doesn't listen.  It looks like they are protecting their good 'ol boys.

Regarding the source of this open letter to BJU, the article from the Greenville News seemed to indicate it was from members of the task force that provided recommendations to how BJU should respond to the GRACE report.  It didn't come from those DoRight or Truth?Seeking crazies.  The source of this entire issue, GRACE, is not apart of of the DR or TSG crowd.  They were brought in by BJU themselves.

When for decades BJU has acted as they have - insular, clumsy & reckless "counseling" methods, BJIII repeatedly making over-the-top comments in the national media, proclaiming themselves as the World's Most Unusual university, etc., they will get serious media attention.  They have been for years, they are getting it now.  That media attention won't go away.  As I've said before, this media spotlight is something they have brought upon themselves.  (Gays should be stoned anyone??)

Which is Exactly why BJU needed to show serious commitment to following through with the GRACE recommendations, especially regarding BJIII and Berg. 

The GRACE report is out there for the entire world to see.  Everybody was watching to see how BJU would respond.  I believe BJU started out well with Pettit's apology but then they whiffed on their response.

Again, this isn't about whether or not Berg's materials are Biblical or not.  I also believe this isn't about people trying to destroy BJU. (GRACE was brought in by BJU and the source of this letter was from their own task force.)  To me, this isn't about the media being onboard with the haters.

BJIII and Berg need to excuse themselves or BJU needs to follow through on GRACE's recommendations.

As a graduate of BJU, I want it to survive and thrive.  I think Pettit is the right man, but I think right now he is dealing with serious legacy, political, and personality issues.

Jim's picture

Bob Joneses on Al Haig and George Bush:

Bob Jones Jr. pilloried Secretary of State Alexander Haig as "a monster in human flesh" and publicly prayed that God would "smite him hip and thigh, bone and marrow, heart and lungs."

Bob Jones III denounced Ronald Reagan as "a traitor to God's people" for the sin of choosing as his vice president George H.W. Bush, whom Jones called "a devil."

 

Hard to root for them!

GregH's picture

Jim wrote:

Bob Joneses on Al Haig and George Bush:

Bob Jones Jr. pilloried Secretary of State Alexander Haig as "a monster in human flesh" and publicly prayed that God would "smite him hip and thigh, bone and marrow, heart and lungs."

Bob Jones III denounced Ronald Reagan as "a traitor to God's people" for the sin of choosing as his vice president George H.W. Bush, whom Jones called "a devil."

 

Hard to root for them!

I am reminded of a letter I once saw written by BJ Jr to a black student in which he basically told him that "Negroes" were best suited for working in the kitchen. The letter used to be online somewhere but I can't find it now and I can't vouch for its authenticity but I have no good reason to doubt it was authentic. And of course, that was about the same time as the "liberal" Billy Graham was trying to integrate his crusades.

It appears to me that BJU is coming around pretty quickly to some semblance of sanity but face it, they were so far gone in the past that even great improvement now does not get them up to speed with everyone else.

mmartin's picture

Jim wrote:

Bob Joneses on Al Haig and George Bush:

Bob Jones Jr. pilloried Secretary of State Alexander Haig as "a monster in human flesh" and publicly prayed that God would "smite him hip and thigh, bone and marrow, heart and lungs."

Bob Jones III denounced Ronald Reagan as "a traitor to God's people" for the sin of choosing as his vice president George H.W. Bush, whom Jones called "a devil."

 

Hard to root for them!

Some people may say, "Those quotes were from a long, long time ago.  Why can't people just get over it."

But that is exactly the point!  The reason why those quotes are still brought up is because BJU has never really addressed them and only relatively recently have they started acting different from their usual MO.

 

Chip Van Emmerik's picture

Perhaps I am mistaken, but it seems that the vast majority of these kinds of controversies are attributed to BJ Jr. I see occasional things from III like the one that began this thread and really cannot remember anything like this attributed to Sr, but Jr seems to have been in the middle of a number of these kinds of controversies - he was also the one castigating MacArthur in the so-called blood controversy as I recall. Does that seem to be the case to anyone else?

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

J. Baillet's picture

GregH wrote:

I am reminded of a letter I once saw written by BJ Jr to a black student in which he basically told him that "Negroes" were best suited for working in the kitchen. The letter used to be online somewhere but I can't find it now and I can't vouch for its authenticity but I have no good reason to doubt it was authentic. And of course, that was about the same time as the "liberal" Billy Graham was trying to integrate his crusades.

It appears to me that BJU is coming around pretty quickly to some semblance of sanity but face it, they were so far gone in the past that even great improvement now does not get them up to speed with everyone else.

I would not write in derogation of a person's character, even if the person is deceased, based upon a vague recollection of a letter seen somewhere unidentified and for which you "can't vouch for its authenticity."  I would hope that my character would not be impugned upon the basis of a vague recollection and that you believed the evidence against me left "no good reason to doubt it was authentic" and nothing more.  I am not necessarily defending Bob Jones, Jr. but would caution against making such insinuations without reliable evidence upon which to base them.  How does this bring glory to the cause of Christ?

JSB

Ron Bean's picture

In 30 plus years of ministry, I have had numerous interviews for positions in ministries. Nearly all of them were for sound fundamental ministries that were outside of the BJU realm. Because of my degree from BJU, in nearly every one I was asked my position on race relations and inter-racial marriage. I was asked more than once if I thought Betty Ford was a slut and if Dr. Bob Jr. imprecatory prayer concerning Al Haig was right. 

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

dgszweda's picture

J. Baillet,

​The Quote was this,

"(A) Negro is best when he serves at the table. When he does that, he's doing what he knows how to do best. And the Negroes who have ascended to positions in government, in education, this sort of thing, I think you'll find, by and large, have a strong strain of white blood in them. Now, I'm not a racist and this school is not a racist institution. I can't stress that enough. But what I say is purely what I have been taught, and what I have been able to study is the teaching of the Scripture."

Here is one book that references it, if you want the source.  But if you look it is referenced in many places.  With that said, this was really not that unusual from a fundamentalist pastor in the deep south.  My grandfather, a fundamentalist pastor, who is still alive and was a friend of Sr. and was a pastor during the same time period, believed the same thing.

 

Jay's picture

I had an interview a few weeks ago for a position that I did not get, but one of the VPs that I talked with said that he 'knew about Bob Jones University' in a manner that seemed to indicate that he'd heard all sorts of bad things (and let's face it, when does BJU get good press nationally anyway?).  So I do think that it's important that BJU deals properly with issues of the past, including these GRACE reports.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

J. Baillet's picture

dgszweda wrote:

J. Baillet,

​The Quote was this,

"(A) Negro is best when he serves at the table. When he does that, he's doing what he knows how to do best. And the Negroes who have ascended to positions in government, in education, this sort of thing, I think you'll find, by and large, have a strong strain of white blood in them. Now, I'm not a racist and this school is not a racist institution. I can't stress that enough. But what I say is purely what I have been taught, and what I have been able to study is the teaching of the Scripture."

Here is one book that references it, if you want the source.  But if you look it is referenced in many places.  With that said, this was really not that unusual from a fundamentalist pastor in the deep south.  My grandfather, a fundamentalist pastor, who is still alive and was a friend of Sr. and was a pastor during the same time period, believed the same thing.

 

Much appreciated.  Both the evidentiary basis and the historical context.  I am not an apologist for Bob Jones, Jr. but believe such comments should be more carefully founded (as you have done) before being attributed.

JSB

KD Merrill's picture

This has really become an area of concern for me.  As a parent of 3 current students at BJU, I'll admit I have an interest in the University.  Having said that, those who are all up in arms about BJU's supposed "lack of response" are selling something and too many people, including the media and a few on this board are all too willingly scooping it up.   How many stories, FB posts, open letters have you read that said that they were disappointed in the lack of response?  That's a narrative that smells up to high heaven.

First, has anyone taken the time to review all of GRACE's recommendations and BJU's responses to them?  By my count, I found 25 recommendations and noted that BJU has responded favorably or plans to respond (in the case of the long-range recommendations) to 19 out of the 25.  That's a .760 batting average.  How many major leaguers will be there after the first week of the season?  In some cases, BJU's response goes well beyond GRACE's recommendations.  I counted 2 additional recommendations in which BJU completed a review based on GRACE's recommendations and came to a different conclusion.  

The problem for the Disaffected is that the University is thus far committed to remaining faithful to a Biblical approach to counseling and not jettisoning everyone that embraces that approach (BJIII, Berg, Mazak, etc.).  Does anyone honestly think at this point that the entire staff doesn't have a hair-trigger sensitivity toward their responsibility to mandatory reporting?  Does anyone honestly think that given today's climate that if the Admin/staff took an approach that even remotely gave the impression that they were trying to protect someone instead of doing the right thing that alarm bells would not jangle all throughout upstate SC?  Does anyone think that an abuse/assault case would be handled now anywhere near how it may have been handled 30-40 years ago, or even 5 years ago?   They (the dis-a's) know that if they can move the University away from standing on the sufficiency of scripture, they will have given them the momentum-building push down the slope towards destruction.  Make no mistake about it.  While some have recently and publicly proclaimed their love for their "nourishing mother," the vast majority of the dis-a's are bent on its demise.  

Second, GRACE made recommendations.  Not proclamations.  Not commands.  Not imperatives.  BJU is under no obligation to heed any of them.  Obviously, that wouldn't be wise, and as noted above, they're way above Splendid Splinter territory.  Please, let's put to rest this false narrative being spun by those vested in the destruction of the school and encourage an honest dialogue.

 

Robert Apps's picture

As a parent of three young children, I pray BJU will do what it needs to before God & men. I want to send our kids there one day if that is what God wants for them! 

Robert's church website is www.odbc.org.au. 

Kirk Mellen's picture

"This has really become an area of concern for me.  As a parent of 3 current students at BJU, I'll admit I have an interest in the University.  Having said that, those who are all up in arms about BJU's supposed "lack of response" are selling something and too many people, including the media and a few on this board are all too willingly scooping it up.   How many stories, FB posts, open letters have you read that said that they were disappointed in the lack of response?  That's a narrative that smells up to high heaven.

First, has anyone taken the time to review all of GRACE's recommendations and BJU's responses to them?  By my count, I found 25 recommendations and noted that BJU has responded favorably or plans to respond (in the case of the long-range recommendations) to 19 out of the 25.  That's a .760 batting average.  How many major leaguers will be there after the first week of the season?  In some cases, BJU's response goes well beyond GRACE's recommendations.  I counted 2 additional recommendations in which BJU completed a review based on GRACE's recommendations and came to a different conclusion.  

The problem for the Disaffected is that the University is thus far committed to remaining faithful to a Biblical approach to counseling and not jettisoning everyone that embraces that approach (BJIII, Berg, Mazak, etc.).  Does anyone honestly think at this point that the entire staff doesn't have a hair-trigger sensitivity toward their responsibility to mandatory reporting?  Does anyone honestly think that given today's climate that if the Admin/staff took an approach that even remotely gave the impression that they were trying to protect someone instead of doing the right thing that alarm bells would not jangle all throughout upstate SC?  Does anyone think that an abuse/assault case would be handled now anywhere near how it may have been handled 30-40 years ago, or even 5 years ago?   They (the dis-a's) know that if they can move the University away from standing on the sufficiency of scripture, they will have given them the momentum-building push down the slope towards destruction.  Make no mistake about it.  While some have recently and publicly proclaimed their love for their "nourishing mother," the vast majority of the dis-a's are bent on its demise.  

Second, GRACE made recommendations.  Not proclamations.  Not commands.  Not imperatives.  BJU is under no obligation to heed any of them.  Obviously, that wouldn't be wise, and as noted above, they're way above Splendid Splinter territory.  Please, let's put to rest this false narrative being spun by those vested in the destruction of the school and encourage an honest dialogue."

I didn't know such sanity still existed on Sharper Iron with reference to Bob Jones.

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"It's like something from The Jetsons, only it's real.

You bring up a website on your phone, ask for a ride to show up at your door, and voila, it's there for you to hop on and go where you need to go.

And here's the kicker; there's no driver.

That's the idea behind a project under development by undergraduate engineering students at Bob Jones University."

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/education/2015/02/27/driverless-taxi-built-bju/24111367/

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"Now in its 18th year of telling the gospel story through living displays of art, the annual Living Gallery at Bob Jones University has become an Upstate Easter tradition. Programs will be in Rodeheaver Auditorium at 4:30 and 7:30 p.m. April 2-4 with an additional program at 2 p.m. April 4."

http://www.goupstate.com/article/20150325/ARTICLES/150329906

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"Bob Jones University is holding its semi-annual Blood Connection Drive March 9-13 from 11:45 a.m. to 7 p.m. every day.

The Blood Connection now offering incentives for blood donors that include points towards gift cards to places like Amazon, Target, Applebee's and Wal-Mart. Free t-shirts will also be given out by the Community Service Council.

"The shortage of blood is huge, and every three seconds, someone needs a blood donation. The possibility of us needing a donation in our lifetime is 78 percent," says Christina Wornow, a student and the BJU community service representative."

http://www.live5news.com/story/28295178/bob-jones-university-offers-incentives-for-blood-drive-donors

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"A Bob Jones University professor Bruce Byers, who chairs the university’s division of modern language and literature, has been awarded a lifetime achievement award from the South Carolina Foreign Language Teachers Association.

Byers is a Francophone ambassador who has spread his love for the French language to students he teaches in three classes at BJU and to Michelin employees during the summer.

He’s participated in mission trips to Quebec and Haiti and has translated sermons into French to be used in French radio broadcasts.

Byers has co-authored two high school French textbooks as well as published several articles in The French Review, the journal of the American Association of Teachers of French, where he is a member."

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/education/2015/02/24/bju-french-professor-awarded-lifetime-honor/23963545/

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"The Bob Jones University basketball program had an historic night Thursday. And it could have another tonight.

The men’s team blew a 16-point halftime lead and overcame four players’ fouling out to defeat Columbia International 97-93 in overtime in the National Christian College Athletic Association South Regional tournament for the Bruins’ first-ever postseason victory.

The win also allowed them to join the women’s team as postseason winners. Maggi Ford scored 19 points, including back-to-back 3-pointers in overtime to lead the Bruins to a 63-55 victory against the Rams in the women’s semifinals at Central.

The women’s team will play for its first region title at 6 p.m. against host and defending South champion Southern Wesleyan, which advanced by upsetting No. 1 seed Emmanuel 71-68 in overtime.

The men’s team (10-19) faces host Emmanuel (17-10) at 7 p.m. at Franklin Springs, Georgia."

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/college/2015/03/13/bob-jones-basketball-teams-advance-nccaa-regional/70279226/

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"Fourteen Bob Jones University students won numerous awards during the Intercollegiate National Religious Broadcasters (iNRB) Competition recently in Nashville, bringing back first, second and third place prizes in several categories.

Students also participated in the National Religious Broadcasters Convention held in the Gaylord Opryland Convention Center following the iNRB Competition."

http://greertoday.com/greer-sc/bju-students-win-numerous-awards-at-inrb-convention/2015/03/04/

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Bert Perry's picture

....BJU is not the only school in the country, secular or religious, that has some embarrassing stories to tell.  Apart from historically black colleges, the color barrier in intercollegiate athletics isn't that far back, and Jackie Robinson only started with the Dodgers in 1947.  

The trick, in my opinion, is not whether there are embarrassing stories to tell about any institution.  It is whether we confess our sin appropriately and point others to the Biblical reasons we were wrong.  Regarding BJU specifically, I would dare suggest that there are certain things that BJ I and BJ Jr. did that BJ III and Steve Pettit ought to specifically disavow--something like "It is of course somewhat difficult to speak for the dead, but we have reviewed a list of statements made by our predecessors, and we believe that they, while a product of their time and culture, were wrong, and we believe that in Heaven, beyond the possibility of sin, our father and grandfather would confess they were wrong, too.  We have provided a list of statements--sometimes comprehensive, sometimes more representative--along with our sincere apology  for these statements, and Biblical explanations of why the original statements were wrong."

Or something like that.  Again, not just BJU, and I'm rooting for them, and part of rooting for them must be pointing them to what probably needs to be done for them to survive.  Like Jay notes, BJU has a well-earned reputation that prospective students would do well to heed, as well as administration.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Jim's picture

 

Above news reports from Larry .disabuse the idea that the media " is on board with the haters and is doing whatever they can to destroy the University"

Michelle Shuman wrote:

The media is on board with the haters and is doing whatever they can to destroy the University.  That is evident whenever anything remotely related to BJU comes up down here.  I believe the hatred is because these people are really haters of God and His truth.  Praying is our most powerful weapon against God's enemies.

Michelle

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