FBFI "Why we are still here"

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Bert Perry's picture

Well, it can turn to music--say the blues--or it can go to something that rhymes with "blues".  No?

Seriously, there is something interesting and good that happened here.  Usually when music is discussed, there are a lot more challenges like Mark's "why would you want to bring a blues riff into the church", and sometimes others have been cagey about answering that.  This time, the challenges were made a smaller portion of the time, and the responses have been direct and emphatic, citing lyrics and all.

Unless (as could be the case) it's just a case of one side being seen as shouting down the other (I at least try to avoid that), the discussion may be moving to something more substantive than the usual "guilt by association" arguments and the like.

Joeb's picture

Tyler you forgot the other two.  Might as well throw them in.  You know the answer Tyler when you ask the bad guy what he did with the money and he tells you wine women and song.  Similar  thing when you talk about Fundementalism ie wine, women's skirt length,  and song.  Wow have you guys diverted from the thread but I do agree with Bert on the music.  

AndyE's picture

TylerR wrote:

It is a rule. Somehow, through some bizarre combination of circumstances, a discussion about Baptist fundamentalism will always turn to music. Smile  

Hmm...Ironically, Tyler, you were the first person on this thread to mention music:

"There was only singing - and it was all CCM, and it was shallow. It sounded like low-rent pop from the lesser radio stations with a Jesus gloss."

CAWatson's picture

The tune/refrain of "At the Cross" was written by Ralph E. Hudson. 

 

Isaac Watts wrote "Alas and Did My Savior Bleed." Martyrdom is a far better tune than Hudson.

TylerR's picture

I didn't say I was exempt . . . Sad

Tyler Robbins is a former Pastor. He lives with his family in Olympia, WA. He blogs as the Eccentric Fundamentalist

Jim's picture

AndyE wrote:

 

TylerR wrote:

 

It is a rule. Somehow, through some bizarre combination of circumstances, a discussion about Baptist fundamentalism will always turn to music. Smile  

 

Hmm...Ironically, Tyler, you were the first person on this thread to mention music:

 

"There was only singing - and it was all CCM, and it was shallow. It sounded like low-rent pop from the lesser radio stations with a Jesus gloss."

In defense of there are parallel / overlapping threads - the other one here

http://sharperiron.org/filings/041817/33138

He perhaps conflated / confused the two

 

TylerR's picture

Jim,

Yes, you're right. My fault!  

Tyler Robbins is a former Pastor. He lives with his family in Olympia, WA. He blogs as the Eccentric Fundamentalist

Larry Nelson's picture

 

TylerR wrote:

It is a rule. Somehow, through some bizarre combination of circumstances, a discussion about Baptist fundamentalism will always turn to music. Smile  

Mark Ward's article identified "Traditional Worship" as one of four sine qua nons  of fundamentalism.  Once that gauntlet was thrown down, some were bound to take it up. 

 

Jay's picture

I've been watching and reading these kinds of discussions for more than ten years now, I think, and I am still absolutely convinced that raising the style of music in worship to a 'fundamental of the faith' or as a prerequisite for 'fundamentalists' is a catastrophic mistake with massive, massive ramifications.  

I've really surprised that so many of my fundamentalist brethren don't see that as a problem and see it as a good thing.  

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Bert Perry's picture

I would rephrase his comment from 10:52 am today as "given the current state of arguments for traditionalist music in church services, I would see any attempt to make it a 'fundamental of the faith' as a catastrophic mistake."

The difference I'm drawing; I want to leave the door open to someone demonstrating to me from Scripture that indeed things like drums and a blues beat ought not find a place in church services.  That said, I've seen precious little in terms of arguments that can't be described as mere "guilt by association." 

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