And Can It Be . . . Another Post on Music?

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Bert Perry's picture

Nice to see an article about music in the church not throwing bombs.  Of course, the answer to #2, the $64000 question of "what does it mean that a genre is appropriate to the lyrics?", could blow that one up, but all in all, well done.  The one thing that I'd love to see as well is a simple statement "if the purpose of music in the church is to...., then we would conclude that"--and then we would see those four principles.

(my submission; music in the church exists to communicate the Word of God to the People of God in lyric form and prepare them to meet with God.....feel free to add/modify/subtract/etc..)

David R. Brumbelow's picture

I agree with:

Lyrics that are doctrinally correct.   

A song easily sung by a congregation. 

A song the congregation likes and likes to sing. 

But, mainly, it has to be a song I like :-).  I don’t know how to explain that to others, I just know it when I hear it.

I think the 2008 Baptist Hymnal does a pretty good job with its hymns. 

https://www.amazon.com/Baptist-Hymnal/dp/B001U7RI4S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&q...

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Bert Perry's picture

Not to pick a fight with David, but it strikes me that from time to time, the music we hear or sing in the church ought to confront us--just like a sermon.  In other words, effective, good music in the church may not always be what we "like".  No?

David R. Brumbelow's picture

My point about the congregation must like a song. 

If they don’t like it, it will not be used. 

The thousands of hymns written in the 1800s and 1900s that you never heard of.  They were the ones people simply did not like.  When it comes to a song, people like you or you die. 

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Ron Bean's picture

I was recently asked to define singability and the discussion was beneficial.

Example #1: I attend a concert and sing along with the band. (I chose the Beatles) Does that mean "Hey Jude" is singable?  We agreed not.

Example #2: A song has either challenging words of phrases in the stanzas and/or irregular rhythms that make it difficult for the average person to keep up or know when to come in. The chorus, however, can be sung enthusiastically.  No to this.

Example #3: The musicians (or song leader and/or choir) love it and the people love the song as well but the people are somehwat passive while the team/choir does their thing. Nope.

Example #4: A song that can be memorized and sung by an individual or family without musical instruments or a worship team/song leader. Winner!

I grew up in a church where hymnbooks were at a premium and we were encouraged to memorize and be able to sing without a hymnal. (Is anyone else slightly amused that people "need" a hymnbook to sing Amazing Grace?) Historically hymnody had a restricted number of tunes and meters and interchangeable words.

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Greg Long's picture

David, I know you were being a little facetious, but the whole "it has to be a song I like" is what kills churches due to worship wars. The problem with the "it has to be a song I like" perspective is that if you have 100 people at a church, there are 100 different opinions about which songs are "good" (meaning songs they like). At some point every single person has to give up some of their own personal preferences and sing songs they don't like, but they know are good for the body.

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David R. Brumbelow's picture

Greg Long,

You’re right I was joking a little.  There are old hymns I like, and old hymns I don’t like.  Same with more contemporary hymns / songs / choruses.  But I don’t know enough about music to fully explain why. 

If everyone else likes a song and I don’t, I just have hunker to take it! 

It does kind of amaze me that the song that really gets ahold of me, does nothing for the next guy; and vice versa.  But then, I guess we’re all agreed on Amazing Grace.  Somewhere I heard Amazing Grace wasn’t popular for years after it was written. 

Also, I realize each new generation is eventually going to be in charge of their music, whether we like it or not.  Good for them; except when I disagree! 

While it still needs to be doctrinally sound, I kind of think God may enjoy a wide range of music styles. 

David R. Brumbelow

Bert Perry's picture

David could be being a little bit facetious, or I could simply grant him the point that, psychologically speaking at least, a song that is not liked is going to fade from use.  

The flip side is that Greg Long is entirely correct that if the criteria is what we like, and that psychological basis is not effectively restrained by theological truth, we will end up fighting over music.  That's why the starting point--a statement about the Biblical purpose of music in the church--is so important.  If it's just fun time, we might as well listen to the Beatles or AC/DC.

A good place to start to get a good "feel" for how the Spirit led God's People in this regard would be the various Psalms....along the lines of the old "how to detect counterfeit money" argument, let's take a look at the real thing.  

JohnBrian's picture

I like Tim's approach but would change the order

1. The lyrics should be theologically accurate - no one is coming to the Garden while the dew.....

2. The genre of music should be appropriate to the lyrics - there are a number of old songs with new tunes. Some of the tunes are easily sung (#3), but a number of the new tunes have additional lyrics, most often in the form of a bridge or a chorus. One of them (not remembering the name right now), has a new chorus that changes the song from a stately hymn to a praise and worship song. I love the new tune and would use it, but without the added chorus. Hillsong has written a great new tune to "My Hope is Built..." but the added chorus doesn't fit with the song, so would use the tune minus the new chorus (and not make a big deal about it coming from Hillsong).

3. The music should be singable by a congregation - in agreement with Ron Bean's examples above.

4. The lyrics should be understandable to the congregation - I still want to "raise mine Ebenezer" in "Come Thou Fount," but not opposed to changing lyrics in a few songs for clarity.

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RickyHorton's picture

JohnBrian wrote:

2. The genre of music should be appropriate to the lyrics - there are a number of old songs with new tunes. Some of the tunes are easily sung (#3), but a number of the new tunes have additional lyrics, most often in the form of a bridge or a chorus.

In my opinion, one of the best examples of this is the version of "Alas, and Did My Savior Bleed" by Sovereign Grace.  Easy for a congregation and much better than the "and now I am happy all the day" version (though the chorus of that was an add-on to the original as well).  Here's a link:  https://sovereigngracemusic.bandcamp.com/track/alas-and-did-my-savior-bleed-2

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RickyHorton wrote:
In my opinion, one of the best examples of this is the version of "Alas, and Did My Savior Bleed" by Sovereign Grace.  Easy for a congregation and much better than the "and now I am happy all the day" version (though the chorus of that was an add-on to the original as well).  Here's a link:  https://sovereigngracemusic.bandcamp.com/track/alas-and-did-my-savior-bleed-2

I had not heard this tune before and you are right it is an excellent example. New tunes allow great songs to be cross-generational.

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Joeb's picture

My Light House by the Rend Collective which would be described as Contemporary Christian Music.  The songs by this group are popular.  To me they are more based on a bluegrass type music.  

A former MLB player last name Kingery has a family singing group that does gospel bluegrass type music in the Minnesota area.  He tours with his family at many GARB churches other Baptist and Bible Churches in the Minnesota area.

Jim do you know him.  He is my third cousin.  I recently emailed his wife and determined this and I'm dead on.   We both have the same multiple times great grandfather Thomas Kingery a Soldier of the Revolutionary war.  

Jeff Howell's picture

Tune doesn't fit the lyrics ... how far are you going to press that one, especially with the use of 'bridges' in more modern adaptations of older hymns? Is this not being highly and significantly subjective? I do find the four principles very helpful in generating meaningful direction and discussion for healthy cross-generational worship. But, these same principles may sound different in different cultural settings, yes?!

Bert Perry's picture

Agreed fully that it's hard to figure out that a tune does or does not fit, but one example that comes to mind of a place where it's not as hard to figure out is a little CD my kids had of Bible verses to music.  While generally pretty helpful, I could not help groaning at a bouncy, cheerful little tune with the lyrics "Lying lips are abomination to the Lord."  Maybe we start with some basics--imprecatory songs should not have cheerful, danceable tunes or something like that--and see if we start to grow to understand musical genre a bit better over time?

Jay's picture

I'd quibble with the order a little first, as others have, and go like this:

  1. The lyrics should be theologically accurate

  2. The lyrics should be understandable to the congregation

  3. The music should be singable by a congregation

  4. The genre of music should be appropriate to the lyrics

The only thing I might not be agreement with is that 4th point about the genre, and I think that's because it has the potential to be a backdoor for the same kinds of cultural music standards that people have used in the past.  Hopefully DBTS will discuss that point in another post.

[begin rant]

I've had some 'worship teams' that wanted to sing "My Lighthouse"so many times that I think I have developed a spiritual allergy to it, so this is a little bit of a rant...

That song is a terrible song.  There's no substantial or explicitly Christian content (the "my God will protect us" lyric could be sung by anyone!), and most of the time is spent talking about how God will take care of us.  It is catchy, though, and I know some people will be encouraged by it, but that's one lighthouse I'd personally like to see shut down. I also think that it's a perfect example of so much CCM that is worthless and empty.

[/endrant]

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Mark_Smith's picture

I'd rather hear a donkey bray at midnight in a tin barn than hear bluegrass music!

 

If a group showed up at my church, I'd leave the service. Absolutely no interest in it.

Bert Perry's picture

Mark_Smith wrote:

I'd rather hear a donkey bray at midnight in a tin barn than hear bluegrass music!

 

If a group showed up at my church, I'd leave the service. Absolutely no interest in it.

What if you were called to reach out in Appalachia, or (perhaps more likely) among hipster urbanites with logger beards and flannel shirts?  :^)

Personally, my take is that if I'm going to serve Christ, that will probably mean that I will have to suffer through music I don't personally like from time to time.  For me, that's most medleys in any genre (let's work on our attention span instead of changing the subject every 14 bars, OK?), anything where the composer appears to have forgotten about the de/crescendo (always uniform medium loud), and anything where the composer appears to think that adding more instruments playing the same notes makes it more musical.  It would be a vast improvement (IMO) to have more bluegrass, black gospel, ancient hymns (prior to 1700), and even decent rap & heavy metal.  

But that said, until we can demonstrate that a particular song (or perhaps genre) is sinful, sometimes I've just got to swallow my pride and make it through somehow....

Ron Bean's picture

For me, I could go the rest of my life without hearing "special music" because I'd rather sing than be sung to.

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

Joeb's picture

I heard a interview of a Prof from Baylor who is out collecting and documenting all the Black Gospel Music sung at churches.  He is a white Prof but grew up in the late 50s and early 60s in the military. The Prof's father was the in the Air Force.  

He said the military was integrated so when he was catching a free lunch at his African American friends house all he heard was black Gospel Music. Historically this Music was sung to help the African Americans who were suffering through slavery and Jim Crow    

The guy had recordings from a black men's quartet from Salisbury MD area from the 50s.  He was able to interview two of the original members. 

So Mark if you don't like blue grass that's a personal not biblical position.  Also the Gospel Music sung in black churches was very much done to help them cope with their sufferings and to call out to their Lord for help.  Just like Jacob wrestled with the Lord these fine believers did the same through their Music  This was the whole basis for the Gospel Music in their churches. I wish I could remember the Profs name. It was quite an interesting interview.  

By the way Mark some Baptists must like bluegrass.  The Kingery's schedule is full of Baptist Churches in the Minnesota area.  As Bert said it depends where you are and who you are with. As I said before the Rend Collective is very big in Millennial Christian circles.  

Of course I'd only expect my blood to be real good and it surely appears they are.  By the way Mr Kingery lasted 10 years in the MLB and I believe he made his biggest mark with the Rockies.  He has lots of blonde kids to just like my family. 

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Jay you must have company because my wife and some of my kids have the same opinion.  We used to go to a large Willow Creek type church and my wife and a couple of my kids later made fun of the CCM music so it's obviously not an isolated opinion.  You probably have plenty of company. 

PS.  As white believers we should be very careful what we say to our African American Brothers and Sisters about their gospel music.  No boloney about beat and drums and being sinful.  They would interpret that as being racist and I would agree 100% with them. So no boloney in their presence in regards to their music.  When the black slaves would suffer.  It is said they stuck their head in a bucket of water and cried out to their Lord for help and relief.  They did this so their masters and keepers would not hear them.  Remember they did not have the freedom to speak freely or loudly because if they did they got tied to a post and whipped. 

jreeseSr's picture

Biblically we see music used to quiet the soul as David played for Saul ..or to stimulate the soul to worship or meditate of the attributes of God..with the final goal to stir the "emotion"  yea there is that word that terrifies we fundamentalists...now emotion van go in any direction and music can take it in any direction so we must be aware of "association" with ungodly themes and melodies...at the same time musical "styles" are a matter of culture and up bringing..I remember growing up in WVa and hearing what I call "mountain Gospel" some would call bluegrass..but at times a man or woman would stand and sing without musical accompaniment..with a nasal thwang that many here would not like but it was very effective with that culture.

In essence I see the role of music in corporate worship as setting the atmosphere or "plowing" the soul for the planting of seed..I see it as a "tenderizer"  for a heart hardened by a week in the world..We are told not to be "drunk with wine" but to be filled with the spirit ...singing to yourselves, making melody in your heart ...with thanksgiving...Why did God use "intoxication" as a allegory ?   because it is a secular way man soothes the soul..or attempts to..for me music breaks up the hard ground that grieves the spirit and frees that spirit..sooooo...yes it really is intended to be an "emotional" experience...doctrinal correct,in order and without secular association of evil.

I see music as a plastic pipe into the soul of man.. with the capability to carry pure water or sewage into or out of the heart of man..for music to pass the test it must pass three tests :  first the message has to be sound doctrine, it does not have to be "deep" doctrine..some doctrinal truths are very simple but very powerful..Holy,Holy Holy has moved me to adoration at a level that has left me broken ..also putting a three part sermon to music makes bad preaching and music..  Second , it must be free of evil association I really cany worship to "rap"  style ...regardless of the words..I just cant get past the image. Of course this is the subjective issue that usually causes the divide..ie: southern Gospel is "beer joint" music to many....and "classical" music is considered "high church" or represents the classical style developed in and by European elites that defined the arrogance and self righteousness of that time..so there I have managed to offend all. Third  as mentioned here it has to connect with the listener ... singing words that were written with the vocabulary of your great great grandmother may fit some requirement of our "conservative" style..but will not "connect" with most people under 45..

I recently went through a church change from a very conservative fellowship... I must say that the music I prefer is not sung in many growing churches here..after my wife and I visited my son in Fl at their Mega church  I had to ask my son "do you like this type of music" ?  He said he grew to like it..so after a couple of visits I started watching the congregation,,,and yes most were singing with great gusto...some with raised hands..and my grandsons loved to go to that church anty time the doors are opened..I went back and watched my congregation singing the old classical hymns . Very few men or children were singing, mostly the women and some men who are musically talented...then it hit me ..some of those old hymns are hard for the lay singer to connect ..so they dont try..

 

Jim

Aaron Blumer's picture

Agree with much of that, but the concept of "soul" in the OT especially is not equivalent to our modern (as in post-Plato) idea. Maybe heart/mind is a better term when talking about "soothing" and preparation for preaching, etc. In the West we use "soul" pretty much for that. But in the Hebrew view of things, "soul" is just your whole living self, body and spirit.

I'm still not sure if the NT writers continue that perspective, and we're reading a more distinct body-soul distinction into them--that isn't really there, or if the Platonic-seeming language in places indicates Plato was pretty close to the truth....  another topic.

Anyway, on the whole music debate, it seems like we're often jumping too quickly to the ethics of how to use it in church when we haven't yet thought through how it works in relation to human beings in general. There are some things to be gleaned from Scripture on that. Along with what in the world music actually is. Apart from the extremes, we all know it when we hear it, but try to define it some time... it's surprisingly difficult.

Bert Perry's picture

jreeseSr wrote:

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In essence I see the role of music in corporate worship as setting the atmosphere or "plowing" the soul for the planting of seed..I see it as a "tenderizer"  for a heart hardened by a week in the world..We are told not to be "drunk with wine" but to be filled with the spirit ...singing to yourselves, making melody in your heart ...with thanksgiving...Why did God use "intoxication" as a allegory ?   because it is a secular way man soothes the soul..or attempts to..for me music breaks up the hard ground that grieves the spirit and frees that spirit..sooooo...yes it really is intended to be an "emotional" experience...doctrinal correct,in order and without secular association of evil.

I see music as a plastic pipe into the soul of man.. with the capability to carry pure water or sewage into or out of the heart of man..for music to pass the test it must pass three tests :  first the message has to be sound doctrine, it does not have to be "deep" doctrine..some doctrinal truths are very simple but very powerful..Holy,Holy Holy has moved me to adoration at a level that has left me broken ..also putting a three part sermon to music makes bad preaching and music..  Second , it must be free of evil association I really cany worship to "rap"  style ...regardless of the words..I just cant get past the image. Of course this is the subjective issue that usually causes the divide..ie: southern Gospel is "beer joint" music to many....and "classical" music is considered "high church" or represents the classical style developed in and by European elites that defined the arrogance and self righteousness of that time..so there I have managed to offend all. Third  as mentioned here it has to connect with the listener ... singing words that were written with the vocabulary of your great great grandmother may fit some requirement of our "conservative" style..but will not "connect" with most people under 45..

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I had a conversation with my pastor on "free of evil association" yesterday, and pointed out that it is (once again) the guilt by association fallacy.  Moreover, it's quite silly, as anyone who listens to NPR ought to be fully aware that they play almost all kinds of church music for a mostly unbelieving audience.  The pagans love it!  Another example is the Minnesota men's chorale Cantus, which had a program of church music sung by a group of men who have "husbands" for mostly nonbelieving audiences.  If one things that "classical" music is somehow more pure, simply look up what went on in the Hotel Sacher in Vienna.  It looked more respectable, but it was behavior that was every bit as sinful as that which you'd imagine at a heavy metal or rap concert.

In other words, if we apply "free of evil association" consistently, we won't be needing a music pastor or music leader simply because of Romans 3:23.  We need to use sound logic as we approach music, starting with defining what we ought to be trying to do with it.  As Aaron notes, there is quite a bunch of work to be done in taking a look at how poetry and music interact with our minds differently than prose.  If we haven't picked up our discussion of poetic and musical devices lately, it will be a challenge.

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Is their a difference in what Music you use in whorship and Evangelistic Outreach.  Example the cofounder of Korn Brian "Head" Welch came out of a terrible drug driven rock and roll life and accepted  Christ.  His former life cost him his marriage and he now has custody of his daughter. 

In effort to be a better father to his daughter he accepted the Lord and bowed out of music for threes years to get himself anchored in the word.  

Now he is back into the music scene and playing in Evangelistic rallies to reach millennials for Christ.  Brian plays what they call nu metal.  I have no idea what that is.  

Now Many  milleanials are  caught up in this drug tattooed and nose ring world and Brian Welch is trying to  reach  them for Christ.  A missionary friend of mine works with Brian Welch in concerts and Evangelism in Europe.  So the question is this ok for this man to reach out to his contemporaries to bring them to Christ in this way  Brian and my friend work through the Stieger Mission School in Germany 

Personally I can't stand the music but my 61 year old buddy is involved with this type of Music and Evangelism. I don't have a problem with it but I sill can't stand the music.  I think it nuts but as you pointed out Bert that may be my personal taste  

Also Brian Welch just took a lot of heat from the Fundementalist and conservative Evangelical Community for praying with members of the LGBT community after a concert. He said the person he was praying with came from a terrible childhood of abuse.  Brian's argument is  your not going give these people a hell and fire and brimestone speech and cause them to instantly turn to Christ.  Brian said some yes right away but others it takes years and maybe a decade.  Brian said by being a loving friend he is trying to plant a seed and lead them to Christ one step at a time.  

Additionally I can't stand rap either. I'm a Country Rock Bluegrass guy ie Pastor Richie Furay is my man  By the way Richie I believe went to a Baptist Seminary after  he accept Christ and left Rock and Roll  

Some of you guys might like Richie he is a Tea Party Republican and likes the FRC  Apparently Richie and Huckabee had a differences in the past on Rock and Roll but now HUCK is all in.  I believe he has a praise album and his latest album is Dreamer.    Plus he can't be that bad to my knowledge he is the one and only Evangelical/Fundementalist Christian singer in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame via his participation with Buffalo Springfield   He is 73 but he can still sing and his daughter sings with him   Aaron Richie might be right up your alley politically and musically

 

 

jreeseSr's picture

Aaron Blumer wrote:

Agree with much of that, but the concept of "soul" in the OT especially is not equivalent to our modern (as in post-Plato) idea. Maybe heart/mind is a better term when talking about "soothing" and preparation for preaching, etc. In the West we use "soul" pretty much for that. But in the Hebrew view of things, "soul" is just your whole living self, body and spirit.

I'm still not sure if the NT writers continue that perspective, and we're reading a more distinct body-soul distinction into them--that isn't really there, or if the Platonic-seeming language in places indicates Plato was pretty close to the truth....  another topic.

Anyway, on the whole music debate, it seems like we're often jumping too quickly to the ethics of how to use it in church when we haven't yet thought through how it works in relation to human beings in general. There are some things to be gleaned from Scripture on that. Along with what in the world music actually is. Apart from the extremes, we all know it when we hear it, but try to define it some time... it's surprisingly difficult.

 

I am obviously not prepared intellectually or academically to address . much less debate the four basic theory  of the essence of man...even when throwing out the two obvious secular ones..the debate of Tri and Di..goes on between better biblical scholars than I ,My conclusion comes from a lay study of Rom 8, Thes 5:23 , Heb 4:12 and my interpretation of Paul's struggle in Rom 7..where the struggle to me is one of soul and spirit..

But honestly I have not the confidence of one who has studies to your extent and will defer to you...let it suffice to say that ...."the seat of our feelings and emotions' , that cannot be trusted without doctrinal oversight !

  

Jim

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Bert Perry wrote:

 

jreeseSr wrote:

 

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I had a conversation with my pastor on "free of evil association" yesterday, and pointed out that it is (once again) the guilt by association fallacy.  Moreover, it's quite silly, as anyone who listens to NPR ought to be fully aware that they play almost all kinds of church music for a mostly unbelieving audience.  The pagans love it!  Another example is the Minnesota men's chorale Cantus, which had a program of church music sung by a group of men who have "husbands" for mostly nonbelieving audiences.  If one things that "classical" music is somehow more pure, simply look up what went on in the Hotel Sacher in Vienna.  It looked more respectable, but it was behavior that was every bit as sinful as that which you'd imagine at a heavy metal or rap concert.

In other words, if we apply "free of evil association" consistently, we won't be needing a music pastor or music leader simply because of Romans 3:23.  We need to use sound logic as we approach music, starting with defining what we ought to be trying to do with it.  As Aaron notes, there is quite a bunch of work to be done in taking a look at how poetry and music interact with our minds differently than prose.  If we haven't picked up our discussion of poetic and musical devices lately, it will be a challenge.

 Bert , point very well made...and to your point, when the Children of Israel were commanded not to wear the "garments" of the infidels after capture because they did not want that "association"   ... They were not told not to wear "clothes" ...soooo is the the message one of degree ? or "maturity" of the listener.....or again one of a comfortable "enviorment"  to worshipper ?   .....I have no problem with the questions its the answers that foul me up ):

 

 

Jim

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Joeb wrote:

Is their a difference in what Music you use in whorship and Evangelistic Outreach.  Example the cofounder of Korn Brian "Head" Welch came out of a terrible drug driven rock and roll life and accepted  Christ.  His former life cost him his marriage and he now has custody of his daughter. 

In effort to be a better father to his daughter he accepted the Lord and bowed out of music for threes years to get himself anchored in the word.  

Now he is back into the music scene and playing in Evangelistic rallies to reach millennials for Christ.  Brian plays what they call nu metal.  I have no idea what that is.  

Now Many  milleanials are  caught up in this drug tattooed and nose ring world and Brian Welch is trying to  reach  them for Christ.  A missionary friend of mine works with Brian Welch in concerts and Evangelism in Europe.  So the question is this ok for this man to reach out to his contemporaries to bring them to Christ in this way  Brian and my friend work through the Stieger Mission School in Germany 

Personally I can't stand the music but my 61 year old buddy is involved with this type of Music and Evangelism. I don't have a problem with it but I sill can't stand the music.  I think it nuts but as you pointed out Bert that may be my personal taste  

Also Brian Welch just took a lot of heat from the Fundementalist and conservative Evangelical Community for praying with members of the LGBT community after a concert. He said the person he was praying with came from a terrible childhood of abuse.  Brian's argument is  your not going give these people a hell and fire and brimestone speech and cause them to instantly turn to Christ.  Brian said some yes right away but others it takes years and maybe a decade.  Brian said by being a loving friend he is trying to plant a seed and lead them to Christ one step at a time.  

Additionally I can't stand rap either. I'm a Country Rock Bluegrass guy ie Pastor Richie Furay is my man  By the way Richie I believe went to a Baptist Seminary after  he accept Christ and left Rock and Roll  

Some of you guys might like Richie he is a Tea Party Republican and likes the FRC  Apparently Richie and Huckabee had a differences in the past on Rock and Roll but now HUCK is all in.  I believe he has a praise album and his latest album is Dreamer.    Plus he can't be that bad to my knowledge he is the one and only Evangelical/Fundementalist Christian singer in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame via his participation with Buffalo Springfield   He is 73 but he can still sing and his daughter sings with him   Aaron Richie might be right up your alley politically and musically

 

 

 

     Last year I was at Dollywood with my wife when a group of African orphan children(7-14) was introduced at one of their out door theaters.. after a moving time of testimony of how their parents were murdered by the Marxist regime and praising their Saviour Jesus Christ the began to sing...Now as with most African cultures their music had a distinctive rhythm and they danced in unison with that rhythm ...now hearing and watching the gusto and obvious joy of their Dance and worship to a much aligned version of "nothing but the blood"   blessed my soul in spite of my strict Baptist prejudice...now some might argue that it was all just (what is the word we use ?) ahhh yes "sensual" to justify our hard heart..(;  but I know that their worship was to our saviour and my joy was in seeing that expressed ....    

Jim

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