By TylerR Jan 17 2017 Federal VisionDoug WilsonDoug Wilson: I have decided, after mulling over it for some years now, to discontinue identifying myself with what has come to be called the federal vision. 4448 reads There are 10 Comments Interesting... Bert Perry - Tue, 01/17/2017 - 6:37pm It'll be interesting to see where this goes, since Wilson has published a LOT of his thoughts. Aspiring to be a stick in the mud. Green Baggins comments on this Rob H - Tue, 01/17/2017 - 10:19pm https://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/douglas-wilson-federal-vis... In other words, much to be seen, less to be assumed. Pooka www.lordandhearth.com Saying that you are not josh p - Wed, 01/18/2017 - 3:32pm Saying that you are not identifying with something anymore isn't really saying anything if you don't clarify your differences with the prior position. It sounds like he may do so soon. It will be interesting to hear what he had to say. Someone remind me... Aaron Blumer - Wed, 01/18/2017 - 7:40pm ... I'm too lazy to look it up and can't remember: what exactly was Federal Headship again? (Wasn't/isn't it a variant of theonomy?) Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me. Federal headship is different josh p - Wed, 01/18/2017 - 10:26pm Federal headship is different than federal vision. Typo Aaron Blumer - Wed, 01/18/2017 - 10:36pm Meant vision... variant of theonomy/dominion theology? Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me. Me too Jay - Thu, 01/19/2017 - 6:29am I'm too lazy to look it up and can't remember: what exactly was Federal Headship again? (Wasn't/isn't it a variant of theonomy?) I'm glad I am not the only one that doesn't remember what Federal Vision is. Frankly, I have never understood the fascination with Wilson, and that was long before all this stuff started swirling around his church and the that situation with the pedophile, his wife, and the American Conservative magazine. "Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells I will wait until someone josh p - Thu, 01/19/2017 - 8:46am I will wait until someone more knowledgeable and articulate comes along but it is similar to The New Perspective on Paul in that it threatens the doctrine of justification by overemphasizing the significance and scope of being "in the covenant." If I remember correctly, in McCune's systematic he considers the two to be virtually synonymous when it comes to justification. Federal Vision TylerR - Thu, 01/19/2017 - 10:26am I had a vague understanding of Federal Vision at one time, but I've forgotten. If I remember correctly, it is so far afield from Baptist fundamentalist circles that I didn't pay too much attention to it. Basically, it was weird and intriguing, but not my problem. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist? For reference Bert Perry - Thu, 01/19/2017 - 11:09am Here's a wiki link. As Josh notes, the NPP is part of it. As a credobaptist with dispensational leanings and eschatology, obviously I've got some big differences with the Federal Vision in general and Pr. Wilson in particular. I even sent one of Wilson's books ("Her Hand in Marriage" I believe) to Dan Phillips of the Pyro crew--whose response was more or less "some little gaps in his logic, don't you think?" I did. I like a lot of what Wilson has done--bringing classical education back into home and Christian schools, helping to define the discussion on how Christians ought to find spouses, etc..--but there are certainly times where his logic makes me go "huh?". Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.