The Incoherence of Evolutionary Origins (Part 3)
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Life not from Earth
It is a universal law which, as all scientific laws, has not witnessed an exception: life does not come from non-life. Yet evolutionists, of the non-theistic sort) must teach that it does. Going further back, ex nihilo nihil fit, out of nothing comes nothing. No one has ever seen or heard of something (i.e. that which has properties and permits predication) coming into existence from nothing (that which has no properties and does not permit predication). Yet evolutionist must adhere to the contradiction of this very basic principle. That is, unless they want to teach the eternity of matter.
Is it a sign of rationality and a coherent system to flout two empirically static principles of science at the very outset of ones thinking? So how do they get around it?
Staying with the life question, one quite popular maneuver is to equivocate on the word “life.” Instead of keeping with a basic definition like “a self-replicating organism” (which is a reductionistic and often imaginary concept itself), they talk about “life” within hypothetical extrapolations where amino acids are formed in an ancient “soup” under propitious chance conditions. In this chance scenario these different amino acids came together in one place, beating off all the enormous odds of ultra-violet destruction and threat of contamination and, voila! “Life.” A self-replicating cellular system? No. Any DNA? No. What was it then? “Well suppose…” So the story (or a version of it) runs. In evolutionism, organic life must come from non-living compounds. So much the worse for the laws of science.
The problems with getting life started, even granted the excessive gratuity of the 20 correct left-handed amino acids which make up basic proteins, would still remain a fantasy. In fact, as geneticist John Sanford, the inventor of the “gene gun” has said, “fill the whole world with proteins, and you would still be no closer to getting life. Because proteins do not equal life.” This is because of the amazing micro-machinery within even the simplest cell; machinery which is told what to do by a “code” far more advanced than any computer software we possess.
Knowing the extremely unlikely chances that life could come about on this planet the way many evolutionists had hoped, eminent scientists like Fred Hoyle, Francis Crick and Carl Sagan believed that it had to start elsewhere and come from outer space. (And the complexity of the cell is known to be yet more wondrous than these men knew.) Of course, claiming life came from outer space isn’t an answer at all (although it might keep the issue of biogenesis off the table for a while longer). We still have to ask, “How did life start some other place in the universe?” Out of sight, out of mind is really all that is being done here; just a rhetorical trick.
This rhetorical trick is performed all the time by evolutionists. They simply put their imaginations forward as some kind of scientific proof. Therefore, they try to put the burden of proof on someone who says, “Well, how did this happen?” They say, “I’m not sure, but I can imagine it happened this way.” If they can imagine it happened that way, then it could have happened that way, couldn’t it? This is what Miller-Urey, or Avida or any other like program is. As Stephen Meyer has said about these information fed extrapolations,
Since the lawlike processes of necessity do not generate new information, these combinatorial models invariably rely upon chance events to do most, if not all the work of producing new information. This problem arises repeatedly for models invoking prebiotic natural selection in conjunction with random events, whether Oparin’s theories or various RNA-world scenarios. Since natural selection “selects” for functional advantage, and since functional advantage ensues only after the result of a successful random search for functional information, combination models invariably rely upon chance rather than selection to produce new information. Yet these theories face formidable probabilistic hurdles, just as pre-chance models do. (Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell, 331)
Here are some fundamental questions to start with:
- If the chances of a living cell coming from non-living elements (which themselves came from hydrogen and helium!) are staggeringly small, why believe it?
- All living cells contain DNA, but how did the informational instructions (incredibly complex specific code) for each of the cell’s operations come about?
- As every instance of this kind of instructional information ever known comes from minds, why look for it’s cause in mindlessness?
- Why because all amino acids are left-handed must that mean all life is related to a common ancestor? (a variety of the compositional fallacy)
- In the same vein (and the same fallacy), why because different creatures have features which look similar are they necessarily derived from a common source? N.B. These fallacies are built upon the premise that evolution is true—hence begging the question. Do forks and spoons and scissors and whisks have a common ancestor?
- Since evolutionists wrongly predicted there would be much “junk DNA” (see Meyer, Signature, 406-407) and creationists rightly predicted there wouldn’t, why label evolution science and creationism religion?
- How long is it going to be until evolutionists admit that the fossil record, which is the sole source for determining the truth or falsity of evolutionary history, undermines the whole theory?
The math
The mathematics on this is just staggering! Michael Denton is not Christian, doesn’t believe in God, and he doesn’t believe in creationism, but he doesn’t believe in the present neo-Darwinistic view of evolution either. He says that it’s “nonsensical.” Writing about the possibility of life starting by chance, he says:
As it can easily be shown that no more than 10 to the power of 40 possible proteins could have ever existed on earth since its formation [and Denton believes Earth is billions of years old], this means that if protein functions reside in sequences any less probable than 10 to the power of -40 it becomes increasingly unlikely that any functional proteins could ever have been discovered by chance on earth. To get a cell by chance would require at least 100 functional proteins to appear simultaneously in one place; that is 100 simultaneous events, each of an independent probability, which could hardly be more than 10 to the power of -20, giving a maximum combined probability of 10 to the power of -2,000.
Evolutionists have got to take the odds (although they often subtract important data to reduce the number). Denton continues:
Recently Hoyle and Wickramasinghe in Evolution from Space provided a similar estimate of the chance of life originating, assuming functional proteins have a probability of 10 to the power of -20: “By itself this small probability could be faced because one must contemplate not just a single shot at obtaining the enzyme, but a very large number of trials such as are supposed to have occurred in an organic soup early in the history of the earth.” The trouble is that there are about 2000 enzymes, and the chance of obtaining them all in a random trial is only one part in 10 to the power of 20 to the power of 2000; that is 10 to the power of 40,000, an outrageously small probability that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of an organic soup. (Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 323)
These numbers are closer to nil than quarks and mesons are to nothing. When you are getting this kind of figure, when you think that 10 to the power of 40 possible proteins ever existed, and yet the chances of life originating by chance is 10 to the power of 40,000, you need to give it up. We are way past Disneyland imagination here. We’re in Cuckoo Land.
Again:
the probability that even one of these information-rich molecules arose by chance, let alone the suite of such molecules necessary to maintain or build a minimally complex cell, is so small as to dwarf the probabilistic resources of the entire universe. (Stephen C. Meyer, Signature in the Cell, 222)
Evolution couldn’t get going. The mechanism of evolution is natural selection, but that cannot be part of the equation at this critical juncture. This is nonsense.
Yet according to Hazen and Trefil in the book Science Matters, the first stage chemical evolution, “encompasses the origin of life from non-life.” We have every right to say, “No it doesn’t!”
And we have the National Association of Biology Teachers in the USA writing such things as:
The diversity of life on earth is the outcome of evolution; an unpredictable and natural process of temporal dissent with genetic modification that is affected by natural selection, chance, historical contingencies, and changing environments.
We have a right to ask if that is what the fossil evidence demonstrates. It demonstrates the exact opposite. We have a right to proof that genetic entropy does not far outpace beneficial genetic modification. We have a right to inquire about the circularity of the whole idea of natural selection and its power to effect the macroevolutionary change implied in the statement above.
Even if we allow them every pass, they have not come anywhere near proving macroevolution. We could even go so far as the progressive creationists and allow some form of evolution. Thus, Collins observes:
Let us grant that it is possible that some parts of neo-Darwinism are right. Say that animals today are descended from animals that lived long ago and that there has been some process of evolutionary change. The question is, however, Is the grand theory as a whole worth believing? Well, if it depends on claims that haven’t been proven, we can say that it hasn’t been proven true and if it depends on things that are likely to be false then we can say that the theory is likely to be false. (C. John Collins, Science and Faith: Friends or Foes?, 270-271)
That is putting it mildly.
Paul Henebury Bio
Paul Martin Henebury is a native of Manchester, England and a graduate of London Theological Seminary and Tyndale Theological Seminary (MDiv, PhD). He has been a Church-planter, pastor and a professor of Systematic Theology and Apologetics. He was also editor of the Conservative Theological Journal (suggesting its new name, Journal of Dispensational Theology, prior to leaving that post). He is now the President of Telos School of Theology.
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Andy, now we’re just talking past one another. I certainly don’t believe—and I don’t recall anyone else on this thread arguing for—the idea that we understand that this world was created by God because science proves it. Of course I ultimately accept that on faith.
What we’re arguing against is this notion that creation scientists (or, in the view of some, creation so-called “scientists”) are on some kind of worthless fool’s errand that makes no contribution to our understanding of the world around us, and that all the proof and evidence is on the side of REAL scientists who are able to keep focused on the facts without allowing any kind of emotion, belief, or religion to distort their search for truth.
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
[dgszweda]Greg Long wrote:
The bifurcation of science and religion, knowledge and belief, facts and faith, continues to baffle me. Of course there are differences between them, but some in this thread have the idea that “ne’er the twain shall meet.” This is entirely modernistic, but also—as Paul pointed out—completely foreign to the many Christian scientists from history as well as many contemporary Christian scientists. It is impossible to divorce one’s view of the world (worldview) from one’s study of the world.
It is not that ne’er the twain shall meet, it is understanding the limits of each and using the right ones for the right discussions. We wouldn’t ask religion to answer all science questions and we wouldn’t ask science to answer all religious questions. Creation science is consumed with this idea that somehow we can merge both. That since we have the Bible and the same facts regarding science that somehow if we try hard enough we can come up with the right answer scientifically to the origins. And that secular scientist don’t have the Bible, so their science will always be flawed. I don’t think we are compelled to strain at this. The fact is that secular scientist and creation scientist are just as clouded to many of the facts relating to Creation. Only those elements that the Bible clearly articulates in regards to Creation is all that we know more than secular scientists. And while many would then assume that this now gives us a unique advantage to explaining creation scientifically, the only thing it does is give us a unique advantage as to what the Bible states. This is clearly proved out in the fact that nearly every single scientific explanation to creation that creation scientists have proposed from the Scopes Trial to the 90’s is incorrect (even reputable creation science organizations agree). And given time, the explanations proposed by creation scientists today will become incorrect. Why? because as creation scientists continue to provide better arguments to secular science, secular science is changing just as fast. And even the models that secular scientists propose are becoming outdated just as quick. What hasn’t changed since the Scopes trial to the 90’s? Scripture. Still the exact same truth, and is entirely impervious to changes in any scientific models. So our confidence should rest on Scripture. And the science we should leave to scientist.
What I would like someone to answer to me is, what value do we see in continuing to chase every single evolutionary argument with a competing creation science argument, when the entire creation event was a miracle that took place outside of the models of science? Why can’t the Bible stand entirely on its own? What sufficiency does Scripture lack that requires us to create sub-branch of creation science?
Outstanding post! Gets right at several key points in the discussion.
[Greg Long]Andy, now we’re just talking past one another. I certainly don’t believe—and I don’t recall anyone else on this thread arguing for—the idea that we understand that this world was created by God because science proves it. Of course I ultimately accept that on faith.
What we’re arguing against is this notion that creation scientists (or, in the view of some, creation so-called “scientists”) are on some kind of worthless fool’s errand that makes no contribution to our understanding of the world around us, and that all the proof and evidence is on the side of REAL scientists who are able to keep focused on the facts without allowing any kind of emotion, belief, or religion to distort their search for truth.
This I would agree with. I feel that the efforts put in by creation scientists to cast every evolutionary scientist argument into a Biblical Worldview light is foolish. Why would I say that. Let’s just look at one example. How much time did we spend educating our kids in Christian colleges, Christian churches, Christian schools about how the canopy theory was a very valid description for the flood. And not only that, but we used Bible verses to further provide Biblical proof to this claim. Where is that argument now? In the foolish bin. And that isn’t the only one. There are between 250-300 key arguments outlined by creation scientists as to better explanations for evolutionary arguments that are in the same bin. And not put in the pin by so-called secular scientists. But put in the foolish bin by the key reputable creation science organizations today. Now lets step back and see how many people in our churches can clearly articulate a solid defense as to why there must be a historical Adam. I would dare say that there are more people in our churches who are versed in and still use the Canopy theory, than can articulate the theological construction and implications around a historical Adam. Both are clear discussions around why a literal creation account is true, but one provides significant more value to us as Christians, the other? in the foolish bin!
Now I say none of that to say that Christians cannot be scientists who practice science. I was clearly one of them and I contributed some good to the scientific community despite my clearly held belief in a literal reading of creation.
[AndyE]Actually Andy, they don’t. That is one of the primary points I have been trying to make. Their worldview dictates their starting position, their presuppositions and assumptions which dictate how they “do science” just as surely as the creationist’s worldview orients him in his research.It is impossible to divorce one’s view of the world (worldview) from one’s study of the world.
Yet secular scientists do it all the time. There is no cogent basis for doing science at all outside of a Biblical world view – no reason that the future should be like the past, no explanation for scientific laws that they use, no reason that mathematics should work so perfectly to allow scientific research, and so on. We know there is a creator that never changes and who holds all things together by the word of his power and so we can point to God and give a rational explanation for why science is even possible. But random naturalism has no real answer for these things at all and so whenever a secular scientist does his job, he must do so on the basis of a Biblical worldview, whether he admits so or not.
I agree with David. It is by faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, not science.
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
Chip,
Their worldview is completely incoherent and does not give them any basis to do science at all. They must “borrow capital” from the Biblical worldview for them to perform any scientific endeavor. They suppress that truth, to be sure, and they go about their business as if there is no God, but they are able to make technological and biological advances because the reality of the biblical worldview undergirds their whole scientific activity. It is because of this that both believers and unbelievers are able to do sound scientific research and contribute to society in the amazing ways that they do.
On the other hand, I actually do understand what you are trying to say. They don’t believe in God and so they seek naturalistic explanations for life, the universe, and the origin of the species. This is certainly wrongheaded and results in incorrect conclusions.
The problem, though, is that believing scientists can’t use science effectively as an apologetic against secular evolutionary dogma because (1) supernatural events are non-repeatable, (2) the conclusions of science are constantly changing due to the progressive natural of scientific understanding, (3) God created things such as man and the universe in a mature functioning state that requires a non-existent backstory (just like the wine Jesus created would have looked and tasted like it came from plants that never actually existed), and (4) we don’t know how the global supernatural events of the curse and the flood affected the state of the earth and data we are now able to gather from it.
So, to Greg, I’m not saying that unbelieving scientists are the only REAL scientists or that they work without prejudice, but I do think the “facts” or data that scientists have at their disposal are not reliable (for reasons mentioned above) to answer the questions that creation scientists or evolutionary scientists want them to answer. That is why our creationist apologetic needs to be faith based or word based, just like the scriptures tell us.
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