Book Review - Worship in Song

Paperback: 288 pages
Publisher: BMH Books (January 28, 2009)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0884692620
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This book—suitable for almost every reader—is not a rant against contemporary music and the people who enjoy it. Aniol’s basic premise is that the “music issue” is primarily a theological issue, and people would do well to seek to have their musical choices (both personal and congregational) driven by submission to Scripture. In order to accomplish this, Aniol’s 246 pages (not counting appendices) are divided into three sections.

The first section (chapters 1-5), “Laying the Foundation,” covers the issues of biblical authority, worship, sanctification and affection. It closes with a brief survey of the influence of culture and religious movements on music throughout church history. I suppose that most believers—including those comfortable with contemporary music—would agree that the Bible is our authority and that sanctified worship is a proper goal. Scott further argues that this can be accomplished only as the heart has proper affections towards God, and that sensual words and rock beat undermine that affection. The concluding chapter of this section is entitled “Pop Goes the Music: Music, Culture, and the Church.” In it the author addresses the relationship between these three elements. He asserts that “culture is the tangible expression of a society’s collective worldview. It is religion externalized. How a particular community looks at life, morality, God, mankind, and justice expresses itself externally in their popular visual art, literature philosophies, and music” (60).

In the second section (chapters 6-9) called “Music in Lifestyle Worship,” the author tackles a subject that is lacking in many books on Christian music: what we listen to personally and privately. In this section he gives a very helpful explanation of the four messages found in any poem: textual, poetic, associative and intrinsic (chapter 6). In chapter 7 Aniol observes that “one of the most significant functions of beautiful music is to give the listener a finite taste of the joy one can have in God” (114). Good “secular” music then must contain the qualities that reflect the qualities of God. There are dangers even in attempting this, suggests the author. He says:

This fear of music drawing undue attention to itself (quoting William Edgar, “Taking Note of Music”) and not pointing the listener to ultimate beauty has motivated some to be wary of and even reject the use of sacred music altogether. For instance, Ulrich Zwingli feared the power of music so much that he outlawed its use in Church completely. John Calvin allowed the use of music in his services but restricted it to metrical Psalmody with no musical accompaniment. Even Augustine saw the danger of music’s emotional power. His writings are replete with evidences of his struggle over whether music was beneficial for Christians…. (115)

Scott goes on to explain that the difficulty is in allowing earthly beauty only to be the deciding factor, instead of seeking pleasure from divine beauty. He illustrates the potential of this by pointing out that the disciples were awestruck by the wrong “beauty” at the Mount of Transfiguration. Aniol admits that this is not always a simple task when he writes, “It would be nice if the issue of musical styles were as simple as evaluating what it communicates and deciding whether it is acceptable to the Lord. It is not, however, that simple. Human finiteness and depravity hinder us from easily determining such things” (138). His advice for making these decisions is to reject any music that communicates a blatantly evil message, to pose serious questions to ourselves about what the music does communicate, and to faithfully apply biblical principles even to the use of our personal music choices.

The third section (chapters 10-17) is called “Music in Assembled Worship.” In this section, the author discusses styles of biblical worship and the purpose of the church and worship. Then he gives a detailed biblical explanation that church music should center on God, sound doctrine, and our affections for God. (I appreciated the fact that Scott was willing to say that some of our most beloved hymns are as shallow as some of today’s praise choruses.) If, as the author correctly argues, “worship is a Biblical response to God resulting from an understanding of Biblical truth about God,” then congregational music must “respond to God because of truth about Him” (173). He goes on to point out that “our sacrifices of praise do not earn us anything; we are already accepted in Christ….But God deserves our best. If we are attempting to worship Him through our music, then we should be certain to strive for excellence in congregational worship music. That means that shoddy, shallow, poorly written music should be avoided, and only what is quality, well written music is worthy of an offering to God” (179). This begins a solid rebuttal of the widespread theory of church music that can be summed up under the heading, “but I really like it!” Once again the author points out that believers on all sides of the traditional vs. contemporary issue can get caught up in what he calls “sentimental” music—and this sentimentalism replaces God and doctrine. Furthermore, Aniol argues that congregational music should be just that: music appropriate for the entire congregation to sing. It is music for a congregation, not an audience.

The book concludes by urging us to consider God worthy of good music, and worthy of the time it takes to find, sing, and listen to it. Three appendices are included. One is an appeal to teach children hymns, one organizes church hymns by topic, and one is a suggestion of songs for a personal music library.

This is a well-written, well-organized book. You don’t need to be a musician to understand it, and neither do you need formal theological training. This book could benefit any parent, pastor, teen, or church member seeking to learn more about biblical music philosophy.


Ken Largent is SI’s Book Reviews Editor. Ken attended Midwestern Baptist College and Hyles Anderson College, and received the Master of Ministry degree from Northland Baptist Bible College in ‘93. He is currently working on an MA in history from the Univ. of Nebraska. Ken and His wife live in Omaha where he has served as a pastor for more than twenty years. They have three adult children active in local churches around the country.

Discussion

[Scott Aniol] 2. I (and many others) have been willing to get specific in the past, but in order to do so we must use theoretical language, which then gets us labeled as musical elitists. Same problem as above.
Actually, I think this is not the case.

I, for one, pressed you to use and stick to theoretical language in a discussion of parsing. You wanted to use what you thought were self-evident examples.

Can you point me to an occasion when your theoretical language brought on objections?

I’m in Michigan preaching for three weeks, so I don’t have a whole lot of time to get into a full debate here (plus I’m tackling rap at my site!), but here is a list of places to go for those of you who really want to do some serious reading on the subject of musical meaning:

Balthasar, Hans Urs von. The Glory of the Lord: A Theological Aesthetics, i, trans. Erasmo Leiva-Merikaksi. Edinburgh: Ignatius Press, 1982.

Barker, Andrew. Greek Musical Writings, vol. 1. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1984.

Begbie, Jeremy S. Voicing Creation’s Praise. London: Continuum, 1991.

Bent, Ian. Analysis. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1987.

Bernstein, Leonard. The Unanswered Question: Six Talks at Harvard. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1976.

Blackwell, Albert L. The Sacred in Music. Louisville: Westminster John Knox Press, 1999.

Bloom, Allan. The Closing of the American Mind: How Higher Education Has Failed Democracy and Impoverished the Souls of Today’s Students. New York: Simon and Schuster, 1987.

Blume, Friedrich, et al. Protestant Church Music: A History. New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1974.

Boa, Kenneth D. “What Is Behind Morality? ” Bibliotheca Sacra 133, 530 (April 1976).

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Brown, Frank Burch. Good Taste, Bad Taste, & Christian Taste: Aesthetics in Religious Life. Oxford: University Press, 2000.

Bruner, Gordon C., II. “Music, Mood, and Marketing.” Journal of Marketing 54,4 (October 1990): 94-104.

Cook, Nicholas. “Schenker’s Theory of Music as Ethics.” The Journal of Musicology 7, 4 (Autumn 1989): 415–39.

Coolidge, Mary L. “Ethics—Apollonian and Dionysian.” The Journal of Philosophy 38, 17 (Aug. 14, 1941): 449–465.

Dyrness, William A. “The Imago Dei And Christian Aesthetics.” JETS 15, 3 (Summer 1972): 161-172.

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_____. “Aesthetics In The Old Testament: Beauty In Context.” JETS 28,4 (December 1985): 421-432.

Edgar, William. “Aesthetics Beauty Avenged, Apologetics Enriched.” WTJ 63,1 (Spring 2001): 107-122.

_____. Taking Note of Music. London: SPCK, 1986.

Elton, W., ed. Aesthetics and Language, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1952.

Faulkner, Quentin. Wiser Than Despair: The Evolution of Ideas in the Relationship of Music and the Christian Church. Westport, Conn.: Greenwood Press, 1996.

Harrell, Robert Lomas. “A Comparison of Secular Elements in the Chorales of Martin Luther with Rock Elements in Church Music of the 1960’s and 1970’s” (M.A. Thesis, Greenville, S.C.: Bob Jones University, 1975).

Harries, Richard. Art and the Beauty of God: A Christian Understanding. New York: Continuum, 1993.

Hill, Andrew E. Enter His Courts with Praise. Grand Rapids: Baker, 1993.

Hodges, John Mason. “Aesthetics And The Place Of Beauty In Worship.” Reformation and Revival 9, 3 (Summer 2000), 59-75.

_____. “Beauty Revisited.” Reformation and Revival 4, 4 (Fall 1995), 65-78.

Hospers, John, ed. Introductory Readings in Aesthetics. New York: The Free Press, 1969.

Kilby, Clyde S. Christianity and Aesthetics. Chicago: Inter-varsity Press, 1961.

Langer, Susanne K. “The Work of Art as a Symbol” in Introductory Readings in Aesthetics, John Hospers. New York: The Free Press, 1969.

Lindsey, F. Duane. “Essays Toward a Theology of Beauty: Part I: God Is Beautiful.” Bibliotheca Sacra 131, 522 (April-June 1974): 120-136.

Lovelace, Austin C. The Anatomy of Hymnody. Chicago: G. I. A., 1965.

_____. Measuring the Music: Another Look at the Contemporary Music Debate. Second edition. Willow Street, Pa.: Old Paths Publications, 2002.

McQuilkin, J. Robertson. Understanding and Applying the Bible. Chicago: Moody, 1983.

Meyer, Leonard B. Emotion and Meaning in Music. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1956.

Miles, Margaret. “Vision: The Eye of the Body and the Eye of the Mind in Saint Augustine’s De Trinitate and Confessions.” Journal of Religion 63 (April, 1983): 125–42.

Pareles, Jon. “Metallica Defies Heavy Metal Stereotypes,” Minneapolis Star Tribune, 13 July 1988.

Pontynen, Arthur. For the Love of Beauty: Art, History, and the Moral Foundations of Aesthetic Judgment. London: Transaction Publishers, 2006.

Reimer, Bennett. A Philosophy of Music Education: Advancing the Vision. 3. Upper Saddle River, N.J.: Prentice-Hall, 2003.

Riches, John, ed.. The Analogy of Beauty. The Theology of Hans Urs Von Balthasar. Edinburgh: T&T Clark, 1986.

Scruton, Roger. Culture Counts: Faith and Feeling in a World Besieged. New York: Encounter Books, 2007.

Shaftesbury, Anthony Lord. Characteristics of Men, Manners, Opinions, Times. Vol. 2. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1999.

Sherry, Patrick. Spirit and Beauty. London: SCM Press, 2002.

Sloboda, John. The Musical Mind: The Cognitive Psychology of Music. Oxford: Clarendon, 1985.

Spiegel, James S. “Aesthetics and Worship.” Southern Baptist Journal of Theology (Winter, 1998): 40–57.

Tagg, Philip. Fernando the Flute. Goteborg, Sweden: Gothenberg University, 1981.

Viladesau, Richard. Theological Aesthetics: God in Imagination, Beauty, and Art. New York: Oxford, 1999.

Whiteley, Sheila, ed. Sexing the Groove: Popular Music and Gender, New York: Routledge, 1997.

Yount, Terry. “Musical Taste: The Ultimate Sacrifice?.” Reformation and Revival 4, 4 (Fall 1995): 79-90.

Scott Aniol
Executive Director Religious Affections Ministries
Instructor of Worship, Southwestern Baptist

[Scott Aniol] I’m in Michigan preaching for three weeks, so I don’t have a whole lot of time to get into a full debate here (plus I’m tackling rap at my site!), but here is a list of places to go for those of you who really want to do some serious reading on the subject of musical meaning:
Only 45 sources?

What a *shallow* pool of research!

::BLOIP!::BLOIP!::BLOIP!:: (the sound of dripping sarcasm)

I’m not impressed by a big bibliography when it’s clearly a cut and paste job with the vast majority of sources being general and not related to the very specific issue at hand. The bibliography is like Scott’s original “correction” of Aaron, and it hardly reflects “journals and journals” of research on music and morality, especially with people like Bloom, who I admire, but who is not an expert on music or the specific question raised.

Aniol ironically cites people like Begbie, who would never agree with Aniol on the contested point that raised the question in the first place; see, for example, Begbie’s insightful and brilliant book, “Resounding Truth: Christian Wisdom in the World of Music,” which is by far the best single book I’ve seen on the topic; Begbie’s a profound theologian and professional musician. Incidentally, two pitfalls he identifies are the limiting of the discussion to music in worship and questions of moral adjudication (if you google Bebgie he has a great lecture “The Sense of Ending,” well worth listening to).

Moreover, William Dyrness would also disagree with Aniol, as anyone who has read his writing knows (he’s supportive of post-modern art, for example). I also doubt Edgars would agree, given his love for jazz and interest in “African-American aesthetics” (listen to Edgar’s “Heaven in a Nightclub” for a sense of his views). I could go on, but it looks like Aniol was depending on people not knowing who any of these people were, else I don’t know why he would cite 1) irrelevant sources to the question and 2) sources who disagree with him. Birch Brown, who book I also have, would disagree with Aniol, at least so far as I remember (maybe Aniol can provides citations to the opposite effect)

And are we to think that, in citing the article on Schenker, that Aniol is somehow supporting Schenker’s Schopenhaurerian aesthetic (if you have access to JSTOR, you can read the article; I don’t know if you can access it without a university subscription), or that he thinks Hanslick, Kraus, and a bunch of other people interesting to nerds like myself are relevant to the issue at hand?

I’m happy to have it as a bibliography on the more general topics of theological aesthetics, musicology, and general aesthetics (although it’s not narrow enough to be useful for someone who is using it to start their reading). But perhaps when Scott has more time he can point out the material that actually supports the specific, controversial things he says about music and morality.

If someone asks me very specific question about resources on a contested point, I too can drop a huge and not fully relevant bibliography on their heads because I have some sitting around, and if they have no knowledge of the subjects, maybe they won’t realize what I’m doing. But it’s a way of evading the question, and I think it’s at best strange and ironic to post stuff in response to questions about “support” that actually disagrees with one’s position.

I am disappointed Scott, that you continue to refuse to engage on this important issue which is foundational to your entire theory of music. This cut-and-paste list of books about music may look impressive to some, but really appears to just be a way of ducking the issue.

Perhaps you base your theory on something besides credible research, and clearly, there are other authoritative sources for truth besides research. If so, just let us know that, but don’t keep insisting that research supports your beliefs if you cannot fairly quickly produce even one study that would support your point.

Ken Largent, in his book, did Scott use footnotes in the text to connect his ideas to these sources?

I’m one of the ones that asked for a list, and to his credit, he gave it to us. I’ve written many papers referencing sources that held to a position that was opposite of mine, so those specific sources may, in his mind, prove his position. The thing I am disappointed in is that many of these don’t even reference music. I’ve looked up 5 or 6 of them so far and I think 2 of them referenced music, but certainly not in depth or what I was expecting to find from volumes of information.

Scott, thanks for the list and I’ll continue to go through it, but like the others I would like to see a more defined listing that deals specifically with the topic at hand. Or explain how these other sources somehow defend your position. I know it will take some time, but there are evidently quite a few people eagerly waiting to look into this topic.

RH
Sorry, you’ll have to read my book in order to find out how I think these sources support my position and how I connect the dots. The main reason I don’t engage in thorough debate on blogs like this is because you can’t sustain very much of thoughtful discourse in a medium like this.

The medium affects the message, don’t you know?

So that’s why I wrote the book.

Scott Aniol
Executive Director Religious Affections Ministries
Instructor of Worship, Southwestern Baptist

For those wondering, the books Scott listed above are a subset of his Selected Bibliography at the end of his book. (I happen to have a borrowed copy of his book still with me and I just checked.) Some of these books may be listed in footnotes. In regards to the specific question being asked (can music communicate morally), I find no relevant footnotes at all.

The two chapters that deal with this issue are chapter 6 (What does the music mean?) and chapter 16 (Making musical choices). Chapter 16 only has two footnotes, neither of which have any relevance to this discussion. Chapter 6 has a few more footnotes and some are relevant to the discussion of whether music communicates emotion. One in particular is a research paper that discusses how music communicates what Scott refers to as emotional expressions such serious, sad, sentimental, etc. This paper itself references various studies. I have read this paper before online; it is out there somewhere for those who want to find it. (Music, Mood, and Marketing by Gordon Bruner)

Aniol’s leap between music communicating emotions and communicating morality is completely unsupported as far as I can tell. For example, in chapter 16 page 219, Aniol says “There are certain kinds of meaning that should always be rejected. Immoral meaning should be rejected. If the music communicates sensuality, lust, physical union, or unbridled anger, then no Christian should listen to it, let alone use it in worship.” I may have missed it but I can find no evidence presented anywhere in the book that would suggest that music can communicate in these ways. And he is definitely talking about the music here (not just the words) because of the section it is in.

As I read the book, I noticed some facts I think are wrong and there are also some obvious weaknesses in his arguments. The one we are discussing is probably the most prominent and critical.

On the other hand, if Scott were willing to admit the subjective nature of the application of God’s standards regarding music, he would find much fellowship with those in all the various genres of Christian music. Many would share his obvious passion for good worship.

For myself, I do not deny that music communicates, and therefore, the appropriateness of music has to be considered for the occasion. In other words, it makes no sense to stridently play “Onward Christian Soldiers” while someone is praying. It makes no sense to play a waltz at other points in the service. And sometimes, inappropriate music will cross the line between bad taste to just wrong (immoral).

I also agree with the general conservative thought that association is a good reason for a church to reject some music.

But I disagree with some conservatives in that I think that the application of appropriateness and association is highly subjective. I believe that Christians should be extremely gracious in this area. Clearly, conservatives have often failed in extending the benefit of the doubt to others regarding musical choices.

Beyond the principles of appropriateness and association, I cannot see a way to attach morality to music. I see no evidence in the Bible or in research. And Scott’s book does little to help him further his case.

Scott, stick around and be a part of iron sharpening iron.

RH

[Scott Aniol] Sorry, you’ll have to read my book in order to find out how I think these sources support my position and how I connect the dots. The main reason I don’t engage in thorough debate on blogs like this is because you can’t sustain very much of thoughtful discourse in a medium like this.

The medium affects the message, don’t you know?

So that’s why I wrote the book.
I don’t believe that words on a page are different in their ability to sustain thoughtful discourse from words on a screen.

I suspect that the difference is the presence of a thoughtful counter-argument.

But I could be in error, I suppose…

Hey, can I offer an idea about what to read?

If we are going to dive into the details (Bauder says, “get serious about meaning”) I would suggest starting with one book on Scott’s list, Leonard B. Meyer, Emotion and Meaning in Music (1956). This book offers a great summary of the big tension between absolutism (musical meaning lies within the context of the work itself) and referentialism (music communicates meanings that refer to the extramusical world around it). And it offers a good discussion of formalism vs. expressionism, asking if musical meaning is primarily cognitive (intellectual) or affective (emotional).

I’m suggesting this book because it is a classic “entry level” introduction to the way musicologists address the meaning of music. And, when finished reading, SI readers will immediately conclude that Meyer pretty much deflates many of our common fundy myths about the morality of music. I think this book contradicts Scott’s position, but I agree with him that it is well worth reading!

The sensory design of the human ear and the subsequent responses evoked via the sounds messages we receive are no less subject to unhealthy provocations as are the other four senses. The attention and response of our sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch are all vied for by multiple agents.

And it is no insignificant matter that there are those who, from the Evil One and since, have sought to become Masters of such sciences and endeavored to devise endless arrangements of all relevant parts in order to elicit carnal responses.

It is a matter of fact that these Masters go to great lengths to discover certain aromas, textures, sounds, shapes and so on, which target in people a certain provocation of their lower, more base, responses.

If we know this to be true, and we do, while we may not be able to dogmatically say that there is an inherent immorality to such fashions, why is it so difficult to at least concede that such arrangements which seek lower or base responses in humans, are able to be observed and identified, even in music and rightly said to be unprofitable in some way, at least within the context of worship?

[Alex Guggenheim] The sensory design of the human ear and the subsequent responses evoked via the sounds messages we receive are no less subject to unhealthy provocations as are the other four senses. The attention and response of our sight, hearing, taste, smell and touch are all vied for by multiple agents.

And it is no insignificant matter that there are those who, from the Evil One and since, have sought to become Masters of such sciences and endeavored to devise endless arrangements of all relevant parts in order to elicit carnal responses.

It is a matter of fact that these Masters go to great lengths to discover certain aromas, textures, sounds, shapes and so on, which target in people a certain provocation of their lower, more base, responses.

If we know this to be true, and we do, while we may not be able to dogmatically say that there is an inherent immorality to such fashions, why is it so difficult to at least concede that such arrangements which seek lower or base responses in humans, are able to be observed and identified, even in music and rightly said to be unprofitable in some way, at least within the context of worship?
Besides the borderline gnostic view of the body suggested by the above (as well as its conspiracy theory overtones), it’s not “so difficult” for many people. What’s so difficult is discerning where this is present and where problematic in music. And what’s very inplausible is the kind of confidence and narrowness exhibited in typical Fundamentalist views on the matter.

Beyond this, however, I utterly reject the incipient if not fully formed dualism that underlies so much of the discussion of music. “Sensual” is not bad, and it’s also not the same as “sexual”; moreover, “sexual” is not bad either, and trying to link “sensual” to “sexual” as a connotation (which works among many people) relies often on a kind of implicit sense that people will recognize “sexual” as something bad, not merely, as they would protest, something private (for even then, such music would have a place).

While I don’t wish to enter into an involved discussion of the unbiblical prudery present in many Christians’ attitudes towards sexuality and the body, I do wish to reject the idea that something being sensual, or appealing to the senses, is somehow prima facie inappropriate or even immoral. That’s clearly rot, as all music, strictly speaking, is sensual, and all rhythm, moreover, is inherently sensual. Any music, whether waltzes or band-music, that suggests physical movement is also sensual, and it is in no (legitimate) way suspect merely for that reason. If people think it is, then music is the least of my problem with their position. The only way to avoid this kind of argument is to pull a Garlock and say, “Yes, some kind of sensuality is fine - as in band music - but not when it has an evil (i.e., sexual) beat.” If you don’t want to make the silly anapestic (etc.) beat arguments, then the whole line off thinking hasn’t a leg to stand on, and even that appeal (to some sexual beat) is a pathetic attempt to support a sensibility rather than an argument. Garlock and Co. could not distinguish or parse cultural elements from elements inherent to the music that so offended them (like its rhythm), and so they tried to condemn cultural forms (many of which were quite dubious if not obviously wrong) by appealing to some inherent musical properties (this is a kind of essentialist fallacy, which people who ignore the complexity of culture tend to make)

The argument that people like Aniol and Co. make only appeal to people with certain cultural sensibilities and intuitions about the body, sexuality, and Western culture. That’s one of many reasons their arguments are unpersuasive to so many, including those most likely to agree with them (i.e., people in their movement); not just because they are bad arguments (with no real support, as we’ve seen from the “read my book” argument by Aniol), but also because they reflect an underlying sensibility about the body and sexuality that is much closer to that one held by the Fathers and the Roman church and by the Victorians than the one which is biblical (e.g. Rookmaaker’s has a great little section about the body in his “Modern Art and the Death of a Culture”).

Issues of culture and sensibility are difficult to address in language, particularly because they tend to deal with things people are not aware of and are in a bad position to identify (asking someone in a culture about their culture is a sure way to get misinformation about the culture; it’s asking a fish what he thinks of living in water), but they appear as glaringly obvious to anyone who is not in that culture or who does not share the sensibility; to those outsiders (e.g. anthroplogists or regular outsiders), it easy to see how little arguments per se have to do with supporting the particular position.

It’s also easy to see for people like me, who once inhabited the kind of position Aniol defends, and has since rejected it and has to a large degree had his sensibilities changed. Such people are increasingly prevalent in Fundamentalism, I think, which is why defending the old music mores is increasingly an older person or top-down (authority figures) job, as more and more people no longer inhabit the culture or possess the sensibility that renders such views plausible. That’s a good thing, in my book. Fundamentalists have such a distorted hierarchy of santification as it is, it will be good once music takes it deservedly low place on their list of concerns.

Music is relevant and interesting and important (for the church) as part of that incredibly complex thing called culture, and it gains it determinate meaning and power as a product of and shaper of culture, and Fundamentalists have proven some of the most inept purveyers of good culture as well as some of the most incompetent cultural analysts (is there such a thing as a Fundamentalist cultural analyst? Someone like Os Guinness or Ken Myers?). Until they establish some credibility about culture and their understanding of it, they ought to pack away any more arguments about music.

[Alex Guggenheim]

It is a matter of fact that these Masters go to great lengths to discover certain aromas, textures, sounds, shapes and so on, which target in people a certain provocation of their lower, more base, responses. [/QUOTE]

Not to get too far off topic, but can you identify for me an evil smell? By that, I don’t mean evil as in smells like garbage or corpses, or something else ugly, but a smell that can actually trigger a “base” (evil?) response? Is “get that away from me” or “yuck” a base response that we have to repent for?
If we know this to be true, and we do, while we may not be able to dogmatically say that there is an inherent immorality to such fashions, why is it so difficult to at least concede that such arrangements which seek lower or base responses in humans, are able to be observed and identified, even in music and rightly said to be unprofitable in some way, at least within the context of worship?
I can’t speak for others, but I have never argued that there isn’t some music I would consider unprofitable for worship. I certainly already identify such based on association and appropriateness. If we are, however, to try to identify arrangements that have no associational problems, and no obvious appropriateness problems, but that seek to produce base response in humans, shouldn’t that be done by objective, observable criteria, and further, shouldn’t we be able to do it from a musical score rather than having to listen to it (assuming we have enough training to do so)?

If we do it by listening (which is most of the evaluation I’ve witnessed), does it have to produce a base response in > 50% of those listening, or what is an appropriate number? And how do we know that response is truly intrinsic vs. associational? The only way to eliminate this factor I can think of would be to take someone who doesn’t know much about music, hasn’t traveled much or experienced much from other cultures, and present them with music from a culture whose musical ideas are different from ours (something with a different scale, different rhythms, etc.), i.e. something they have not only never heard before, but is outside their ideas of music, and have them attempt to evaluate the emotion produced by different tunes without knowing what the tunes are about, what they are used for, etc. Even then, we would have to do this with a lot of individuals to come up with conclusions that are even partly valid.

This brings us back to evaluating the score. If certain “arrangements” are eventually documented to be able to generate lower responses in humans (and I rather doubt this is the case), it should be something we can then identify by what is written. Which brings us back to Gabe’s suggestion of a computer program. If this is so objective, it ought to be something we can easily automate. Once we truly understand the principles (assuming we can formulate them in the first place), application should be relatively easy.

The bigger problem I see is that what we see as base responses, anger, hatred, jealousy, even physical lust, all have proper applications in God’s order. God himself even expresses anger, hatred, and jealousy, which means that not all expressions of those are sin. That might mean that such music is not appropriate for worship, but would not disqualify it for other purposes, and would certainly not designate it as morally evil.

Dave Barnhart