Jack Schaap in court today in an orange Porter County Jail jumpsuit and leg irons

There are federal sentencing policies such as are outlined here: http://www.alanellis.com/CM/Publications/federal-prison-designation-upd…

I am not interested enough to read all of it closely, but it says,

It is the Federal Bureau of Prisons’ (BOP) policy to place an individual in the least restrictive facility for which he or she qualifies within 500 miles of a release residence.

I don’t get the point of speculating on it or hoping for a particular location. There doesn’t seem to be any reason to move him far away other than spite, which is probably not particularly relevant to the judge. Let the man be near his family so they can visit him.

[Larry]

There doesn’t seem to be any reason to move him far away other than spite, which is probably not particularly relevant to the judge. Let the man be near his family so they can visit him.

Specifically, this point. I don’t understand why some comments here seem to want to exact more out of Schaap than what he is going to get with this deal. He is likely going to be sentenced to at least 10 years, plus some time of probation afterwards. He will be in jail until he is 65, at least. What more can you get out of him?

It seems that some would like to imprison him for “bad pastoring”, but that’s not a crime, as far as I know. If it were… well… are there enough prisons?

I view him in the same light as any other head of a “conspiracy.” I want him to be as isolated as possible from his support structure. I hope by doing so his influence (such as it is) would be that much more diminished.

I agree with Don and Larry. Any federal prison will keep him pretty isolated from his support system., BTW.

[Jim]

My questions:

1. Who “[drove] the victim to locations in both Crete, IL., and western Michigan for the encounters”
2. Did that one know the purpose of these drives?
3. Was / is that person on staff at HAC or FBC?
4. Will that person be prosecuted?

1. Schaap’s secretary and the secretaries daughter drove the girl.

2. Yes, I believe they knew - when drove to Michigan Schaap/girl went to hotel and she waited for them.

3. Staff at FBC

4. Don’t know - they packed up and moved - maybe she cut a deal and took off.

Because, having the Feds arrest, prosecute and convict him on this one count is like (to a much lesser extent) convicting Al Capone on income tax evasion. I don’t want him to have the opportunity to influence the situation at FBCH.

[Alex Guggenheim] As far as support systems go why would a Christian want to deny that to another even when he’s suffering for his or her illegal activity if it is not necessary. The federal Bureau of Prisons at least has enough sense to understand the contribution a support system has toward rehabilitation and the value of the family and marriage were many people desire to save their family continuity and save their marital continuity instead of destroy it by unnecessarily isolating an inmate. There is a saying ” no man is above the law neither is an email below the law”. That a man would be punished for his crime is not sufficient it is apparent that some of you wish for him to have additional punishment added for things not criminal. Remember that the next time you please add to our Lord for mercy.

[Alex Guggenheim] As far as support systems go why would a Christian want to deny that to another even when he’s suffering for his or her illegal activity if it is not necessary. The federal Bureau of Prisons at least has enough sense to understand the contribution a support system has toward rehabilitation and the value of the family and marriage were many people desire to save their family continuity and save their marital continuity instead of destroy it by unnecessarily isolating an inmate.

Two points to that, Alex:

1. It’s borderline hysterical that you’re worried about saving the ‘family continuity’ of a man who chose to have an adulterous affair with a seventeen year old girl and who apparently enlisted the existing support system of the church that he lead to do so. If there is any fault or if the marriage does not survive, I’m fairly sure that it won’t be the Bureau of Prisons’ fault for sending Schaap away. Maybe you would have a point if you blamed the cops that arrested him, but I don’t think you’re going to go there.

2. Moving him as far away from Hammond as possible isn’t denying comfort to the ‘suffering’ (if suffering can even be used in this case, given Schaap’s attitude and behavior at the sentencing). It’s about breaking a support system that facilitated a crime. I’m not sure why that is a bad thing.

[CJones]

[Jim]

My questions:

1. Who “[drove] the victim to locations in both Crete, IL., and western Michigan for the encounters”
2. Did that one know the purpose of these drives?
3. Was / is that person on staff at HAC or FBC?
4. Will that person be prosecuted?

1. Schaap’s secretary and the secretaries daughter drove the girl.

2. Yes, I believe they knew - when drove to Michigan Schaap/girl went to hotel and she waited for them.

3. Staff at FBC

4. Don’t know - they packed up and moved - maybe she cut a deal and took off.

The idea that a church secretary would knowingly drive her pastor to a location for this purpose - is physically sickening. No wonder the world sees the entire Christian world as a bunch of hypocrites.

Caveat on “Schaap’s church secretary” story: I’ve seen rumors about this on various forums … but nothing reported in the media.

My feelings exactly.

[Jay]

SNIP

2. Moving him as far away from Hammond as possible isn’t denying comfort to the ‘suffering’ (if suffering can even be used in this case, given Schaap’s attitude and behavior at the sentencing). It’s about breaking a support system that facilitated a crime. I’m not sure why that is a bad thing.

[Ann B.]

[CJones]

[Jim]

My questions:

1. Who “[drove] the victim to locations in both Crete, IL., and western Michigan for the encounters”
2. Did that one know the purpose of these drives?
3. Was / is that person on staff at HAC or FBC?
4. Will that person be prosecuted?

1. Schaap’s secretary and the secretaries daughter drove the girl.

2. Yes, I believe they knew - when drove to Michigan Schaap/girl went to hotel and she waited for them.

3. Staff at FBC

4. Don’t know - they packed up and moved - maybe she cut a deal and took off.

The idea that a church secretary would knowingly drive her pastor to a location for this purpose - is physically sickening. No wonder the world sees the entire Christian world as a bunch of hypocrites.

My daughter in law is one of those. She’s an atheist partly because of this precise reason.

[Jim]

Caveat on “Schaap’s church secretary” story: I’ve seen rumors about this on various forums … but nothing reported in the media.

I hope that story - that the secretary and her daughter willingly drove the girl to the sexual encounters with knowledge of what was going to happen - is not true. Unfortunately, this kind of psychological/social manipulation by “preachers” in the past has happened at Hammond (Jennie Nischik, anyone?).

it didn’t happen!

That was Hyles mantra!

I would prefer to believe that the secretary feigned blindness rather than facilitated the encounter. If she actually didn’t see them together, as in dropping the girl off at the hotel but not seeing Schaap there, then she might have an out.

If she was suspicious but didn’t want to believe what she thought, that might account for her (if this is what happened) asking her daughter to drive the child the 2nd time.

If any of this is true it just proves the cultic mindset at Hammond!

[Jim]

Caveat on “Schaap’s church secretary” story: I’ve seen rumors about this on various forums … but nothing reported in the media.

Trust me that is who drove her to meet him……..I know the secretaries son…..he was livid when he found out….