How I Became a Libertarian
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I became conscious of politics when I entered the ninth grade. I was a member of my high school’s speech and debate team specializing in extemporaneous speeches on current events. Each week I read most of the major periodicals, newspapers, and policy journals in order to get a handle on topics ranging from George W. Bush’s campaign platform to the civil conflict in Zimbabwe. I found that the more I learned about politics and policy the more I became aware of a cognitive dissonance between my politics and my theology. The principles that I advocated as a Christian came increasingly in conflict with conservative politics.
I should first note that this tension, which I’ve expressed as a tension between my duties as a Christian and a citizen, is a fault line within broader conservatism. Modern American conservatism is an amalgamation of classical liberalism and evangelical populism. Classic liberalism (or libertarianism to use its modern label) as formulated by Adam Smith enshrines the free market, individual rights, and is skeptical of interventionist government. Evangelical populism (or social conservatism) seeks to enforce communal norms that are constructed from Biblical proscriptions. Perhaps you can already see the source of my cognitive dissonance.
These two streams of modern conservatism come into conflict over the role of the State. Libertarians believe that State action is at best inefficient and at worst in violation of individual rights. Social conservatives, on the other hand, have no problem with State intervention. For many on the Religious Right, the question is a matter of how rather than whether the State should intervene. The social conservative believes that the State is a legitimate vehicle for enforcing moral conformity. (I would also argue that the social liberal is simply the mirror image of his right-wing opponent, but that argument deserves its own post.) Returning to my own personal experience, I found myself giving a debate speech declaring the evils of government intervention in the economy in one breath and in the next arguing for stricter government regulation of marriage.
Now, I am an expert at compartmentalizing contradictions – I find it disturbingly easy to spend a Sunday morning in hypocritical worship without repenting of known sin – but this tension nagged at me all through college. Most people that I knew gave no evidence of having even considered the question. A number of my acquaintances resolved the dilemma for themselves by advocating for some form of dominionism whereby the state effectively becomes an extension of the church. Even prior to becoming a libertarian, I could not follow this path; I was uncomfortable with the Christian reconstructionist’s lofty view of the state.
I eventually recognized that I had a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality. In my mind I had been equating morality with moral behavior. See, the most government can ever hope to legislate is conformity, adherence to laws and regulations [though a cursory review of our war on drugs should raise big questions regarding governments efficacy at enforcing conformity: . Government, even in the most repressive societies, cannot legislate our motivations or our beliefs.
I then realized that the source of the tension between my political self and my theological self was a clash of definitions. What did it mean to be moral? Or to put it in Biblical parlance, what did it mean to be righteous? In politics I was supporting a definition of morality which was synonymous with conformity. Government would prevent people from acting in a certain manner and promote moral ways of behaving. Obedience to law was equivalent with morality. But my theology told me something very different. Christ’s righteousness was given, not earned. Righteousness certainly was not equivalent with moral behavior; that is the path of the legalist. The legalist tells us that if we can get someone to behave in a certain manner they will be moral. But Christ taught that righteousness is heart-centered rather than behavior-centered.
This longstanding tension relaxed as I merged my political and theological thinking. Government cannot legislate morality because the State can do nothing more than regulate external behavior. No matter how many laws that we pass which prohibit vice, our country becomes no more moral in God’s eyes. For example, simply preventing homosexuals from marrying does not somehow make America more pleasing to God. Government legislation can only hope to discourage actual homosexual acts. It cannot prevent homosexuality in the heart. I do believe that homosexuality is a sin before God, but using the government to prevent external manifestations of sin does nothing to satisfy God’s standard of holiness. Government cannot make a sinful heart righteous – only the gracious offer of redemption at the Cross can do that. By confusing righteousness with external conformity we have reflected poorly on the gospel. From our pulpits we loudly proclaim salvation by faith and not by works, but in our politics we whisper, “behave in x manner rather than y in order to be moral and thus more pleasing to God.” We have become political legalists.
The conflict over homosexuals’ right to marry exemplifies the damage that we have caused. In California, Proposition 8 excluded same-sex couples from the legal rights of marriage. Now, in a narrow sense I would defend Proposition 8 from the judicial end-runs of its opponents, but I wish that Proposition 8 had never been passed and that evangelicals had not been complicit in its passage. As believers we should not be afraid of giving offense for the gospel’s sake. Certainly, those who do not believe in Christ will not take kindly to being confronted with their sin. But this principle does not give Christians carte blanche for giving offense. We must strive to give offense only because we preach Christ, not because of our methods or manner. But do we communicate Christ’s love by denying civil rights to homosexuals? Is Christ magnified when we make homosexuals second-class citizens?
The root problem with our opposition to homosexual marriage is not that we believe homosexuality is wrong. The fundamental problem with our opposition to homosexual marriage is that we have confused the kingdom of God and the kingdom of man. We are trying to use the State to delineate the Church. But when we combine Church and State we run the risk of blending the two. Thus we have made marriage, a biblical covenant between two individuals and God, something to be regulated and defined by civil government. Today, it is the State that marries us, not the minister.
This little example of blending illustrates a far bigger problem; I believe that we have come to equate American citizenship with heavenly citizenship. Now it is true that American Christians are citizens of both kingdoms, but the requirements for each must remain distinct. That seems so obvious it sounds silly, but when we conflate the kingdoms we blur the distinctions between the two. Want to be a full citizen of the United States? Well you’d better not be a homosexual (we won’t let you marry) or an atheist (we won’t let you hold office). Blurring the lines between the kingdoms of God and man ignores Christ’s proclamation, “My kingdom is not of this world.” Do we not then err when we attempt to make it so?
I became a libertarian because I realized that our rights and responsibilities as Christians are different from our rights and responsibilities as Americans. Being a libertarian gives me the freedom to fully embrace both identities. I can defend the civil right of homosexuals to marry while simultaneously preaching to them their sin and need of a Savior. I can vote for a politician while realizing that no amount of legislation, no matter how effective, can make our nation more pleasing to God. I can evangelize the lost while fully aware that as the gospel changes hearts it will make us better citizens.
But when we wrongly define Biblical morality or blend church and state we distort the gospel. Our faith in Christ transcends the kingdom of man. Like the Apostle Paul we eschew hope in “earthly things” and proclaim that “our [pre-eminent: citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.”
I became conscious of politics when I entered the ninth grade. I was a member of my high school’s speech and debate team specializing in extemporaneous speeches on current events. Each week I read most of the major periodicals, newspapers, and policy journals in order to get a handle on topics ranging from George W. Bush’s campaign platform to the civil conflict in Zimbabwe. I found that the more I learned about politics and policy the more I became aware of a cognitive dissonance between my politics and my theology. The principles that I advocated as a Christian came increasingly in conflict with conservative politics.
I should first note that this tension, which I’ve expressed as a tension between my duties as a Christian and a citizen, is a fault line within broader conservatism. Modern American conservatism is an amalgamation of classical liberalism and evangelical populism. Classic liberalism (or libertarianism to use its modern label) as formulated by Adam Smith enshrines the free market, individual rights, and is skeptical of interventionist government. Evangelical populism (or social conservatism) seeks to enforce communal norms that are constructed from Biblical proscriptions. Perhaps you can already see the source of my cognitive dissonance.
These two streams of modern conservatism come into conflict over the role of the State. Libertarians believe that State action is at best inefficient and at worst in violation of individual rights. Social conservatives, on the other hand, have no problem with State intervention. For many on the Religious Right, the question is a matter of how rather than whether the State should intervene. The social conservative believes that the State is a legitimate vehicle for enforcing moral conformity. (I would also argue that the social liberal is simply the mirror image of his right-wing opponent, but that argument deserves its own post.) Returning to my own personal experience, I found myself giving a debate speech declaring the evils of government intervention in the economy in one breath and in the next arguing for stricter government regulation of marriage.
Now, I am an expert at compartmentalizing contradictions – I find it disturbingly easy to spend a Sunday morning in hypocritical worship without repenting of known sin – but this tension nagged at me all through college. Most people that I knew gave no evidence of having even considered the question. A number of my acquaintances resolved the dilemma for themselves by advocating for some form of dominionism whereby the state effectively becomes an extension of the church. Even prior to becoming a libertarian, I could not follow this path; I was uncomfortable with the Christian reconstructionist’s lofty view of the state.
I eventually recognized that I had a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality. In my mind I had been equating morality with moral behavior. See, the most government can ever hope to legislate is conformity, adherence to laws and regulations [though a cursory review of our war on drugs should raise big questions regarding governments efficacy at enforcing conformity: . Government, even in the most repressive societies, cannot legislate our motivations or our beliefs.
I then realized that the source of the tension between my political self and my theological self was a clash of definitions. What did it mean to be moral? Or to put it in Biblical parlance, what did it mean to be righteous? In politics I was supporting a definition of morality which was synonymous with conformity. Government would prevent people from acting in a certain manner and promote moral ways of behaving. Obedience to law was equivalent with morality. But my theology told me something very different. Christ’s righteousness was given, not earned. Righteousness certainly was not equivalent with moral behavior; that is the path of the legalist. The legalist tells us that if we can get someone to behave in a certain manner they will be moral. But Christ taught that righteousness is heart-centered rather than behavior-centered.
This longstanding tension relaxed as I merged my political and theological thinking. Government cannot legislate morality because the State can do nothing more than regulate external behavior. No matter how many laws that we pass which prohibit vice, our country becomes no more moral in God’s eyes. For example, simply preventing homosexuals from marrying does not somehow make America more pleasing to God. Government legislation can only hope to discourage actual homosexual acts. It cannot prevent homosexuality in the heart. I do believe that homosexuality is a sin before God, but using the government to prevent external manifestations of sin does nothing to satisfy God’s standard of holiness. Government cannot make a sinful heart righteous – only the gracious offer of redemption at the Cross can do that. By confusing righteousness with external conformity we have reflected poorly on the gospel. From our pulpits we loudly proclaim salvation by faith and not by works, but in our politics we whisper, “behave in x manner rather than y in order to be moral and thus more pleasing to God.” We have become political legalists.
The conflict over homosexuals’ right to marry exemplifies the damage that we have caused. In California, Proposition 8 excluded same-sex couples from the legal rights of marriage. Now, in a narrow sense I would defend Proposition 8 from the judicial end-runs of its opponents, but I wish that Proposition 8 had never been passed and that evangelicals had not been complicit in its passage. As believers we should not be afraid of giving offense for the gospel’s sake. Certainly, those who do not believe in Christ will not take kindly to being confronted with their sin. But this principle does not give Christians carte blanche for giving offense. We must strive to give offense only because we preach Christ, not because of our methods or manner. But do we communicate Christ’s love by denying civil rights to homosexuals? Is Christ magnified when we make homosexuals second-class citizens?
The root problem with our opposition to homosexual marriage is not that we believe homosexuality is wrong. The fundamental problem with our opposition to homosexual marriage is that we have confused the kingdom of God and the kingdom of man. We are trying to use the State to delineate the Church. But when we combine Church and State we run the risk of blending the two. Thus we have made marriage, a biblical covenant between two individuals and God, something to be regulated and defined by civil government. Today, it is the State that marries us, not the minister.
This little example of blending illustrates a far bigger problem; I believe that we have come to equate American citizenship with heavenly citizenship. Now it is true that American Christians are citizens of both kingdoms, but the requirements for each must remain distinct. That seems so obvious it sounds silly, but when we conflate the kingdoms we blur the distinctions between the two. Want to be a full citizen of the United States? Well you’d better not be a homosexual (we won’t let you marry) or an atheist (we won’t let you hold office). Blurring the lines between the kingdoms of God and man ignores Christ’s proclamation, “My kingdom is not of this world.” Do we not then err when we attempt to make it so?
I became a libertarian because I realized that our rights and responsibilities as Christians are different from our rights and responsibilities as Americans. Being a libertarian gives me the freedom to fully embrace both identities. I can defend the civil right of homosexuals to marry while simultaneously preaching to them their sin and need of a Savior. I can vote for a politician while realizing that no amount of legislation, no matter how effective, can make our nation more pleasing to God. I can evangelize the lost while fully aware that as the gospel changes hearts it will make us better citizens.
But when we wrongly define Biblical morality or blend church and state we distort the gospel. Our faith in Christ transcends the kingdom of man. Like the Apostle Paul we eschew hope in “earthly things” and proclaim that “our [pre-eminent: citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.”
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for some of the same reasons- mostly that our gov’t at its conception was designed to remain limited in power and its functions to be few and clearly defined. I believe that people have the right to live their lives as they choose as long as they are not attempting to deprive someone of their life, liberty, or property through force or fraud.
As far as homosexual marriage, my concern on that topic is for the children that would ultimately be the innocent victims, since gays and lesbians cannot reproduce inside of their marriage relationship. And to be consistent, I also don’t believe in most of the methods people use to conceive children even in a heterosexual union (using eggs/sperm from other people, freezing embryos…) So if same-sex marriages are across the board given ‘equal family rights’, they can not only use artificial insemination to produce offspring, they can foster and adopt children. My conscience can’t abide that scenario. I know this is already taking place to a degree, but I’m afraid lowering the walls any further would result in an explosion of child abuse and sexual manipulation/exploitation.
As far as homosexual marriage, my concern on that topic is for the children that would ultimately be the innocent victims, since gays and lesbians cannot reproduce inside of their marriage relationship. And to be consistent, I also don’t believe in most of the methods people use to conceive children even in a heterosexual union (using eggs/sperm from other people, freezing embryos…) So if same-sex marriages are across the board given ‘equal family rights’, they can not only use artificial insemination to produce offspring, they can foster and adopt children. My conscience can’t abide that scenario. I know this is already taking place to a degree, but I’m afraid lowering the walls any further would result in an explosion of child abuse and sexual manipulation/exploitation.
Susan, we agree that the state should be limited to protection of rights. So, on the basics we are in harmony. But I would question why you believe that homosexuals are deserving of special (bad) treatment. I doubt that you would argue that the State should limit adoption to Christian families. Only the most extreme Dominionist would argue that unbelievers in toto should not be allowed to have/adopt children. So why do you support using the state to distinguish between categories of unregenerate sinners?
but I am bound by my conscience on this one. There is quite a bit of research that supports the contention that domestic violence in gay/lesbian families is much higher than in heterosexual families, and that a variety of serious dysfunctions are found in children raised in gay/lesbian homes.
The arguments against the notion that children are more likely to be abused sexually in a gay/lesbian home revolve around the idea that pedophiles are not homosexual, and that a ‘real’ gay/lesbian is only attracted to other consenting adults, so if a man is attracted to young boys, he isn’t really a homosexual. Yeeaaahhh rrriiiiggghht.
But I understand that when you begin to restrict one segment of the population from a ‘normal’ activity, you invite legislation to restrict other groups. This comes up often in conversations about home education, because when folks start talking about gov’t oversight into the private lives of families in order to prevent abuse (the notion being that children in traditional schools are in the public eye and that since teachers are mandartory reporters, kids in schools are better protected against abuse while homeschoolers can ‘hide’ abuse), you head down a very slippery slope. That slope being the fact that most child abuse cases resulting in fatalities are of children under the age of 4. Say “Hello” to mandatory pre-school ya’ll. It’s for the children. ;)
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but that I do have concerns about children in the homes of people that we as Christians know are already suffering from some serious mental issues.
The arguments against the notion that children are more likely to be abused sexually in a gay/lesbian home revolve around the idea that pedophiles are not homosexual, and that a ‘real’ gay/lesbian is only attracted to other consenting adults, so if a man is attracted to young boys, he isn’t really a homosexual. Yeeaaahhh rrriiiiggghht.
But I understand that when you begin to restrict one segment of the population from a ‘normal’ activity, you invite legislation to restrict other groups. This comes up often in conversations about home education, because when folks start talking about gov’t oversight into the private lives of families in order to prevent abuse (the notion being that children in traditional schools are in the public eye and that since teachers are mandartory reporters, kids in schools are better protected against abuse while homeschoolers can ‘hide’ abuse), you head down a very slippery slope. That slope being the fact that most child abuse cases resulting in fatalities are of children under the age of 4. Say “Hello” to mandatory pre-school ya’ll. It’s for the children. ;)
I’m not saying I disagree with you, but that I do have concerns about children in the homes of people that we as Christians know are already suffering from some serious mental issues.
Susan,
I want to be sure I understand what you’re saying before I reply the ideas in your post. Are you saying that we, as Christians, know homosexuals to be suffering from serious mental issues. And, if so, do you mean that homosexuality is a serious mental issue?
Better to be sure up front than to get the discussion off on a meandering of misunderstanding.
Thanks!
I want to be sure I understand what you’re saying before I reply the ideas in your post. Are you saying that we, as Christians, know homosexuals to be suffering from serious mental issues. And, if so, do you mean that homosexuality is a serious mental issue?
Better to be sure up front than to get the discussion off on a meandering of misunderstanding.
Thanks!
The terms ‘reprobate mind’ and ‘unnatural affections’… lead me to believe that something that is hard-wired into the human psyche (gender distinctions and sexual attraction- Gen. 2-3) are short-circuited in the mind of someone acting on their attraction to the same gender. That’s a mental issue resulting from a deeper spiritual issue. There are any number of mental issues that are spawned from spiritual problems, so I’m not saying that homosexuality is any ‘worse’ a sin than, for instance, lying… but the consequences of some sinful behaviors that progress unimpeded in this flesh are more pronounced than others. I am also not saying that all mental problems are the result of sin per se; I believe that many mental problems are physiological in nature, but homosexuality isn’t one of those “can’t help it” problems.
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I guess I just don’t see any reason to start inferring serious mental issues from the phrases you mention above. Isn’t it enough to call sin what God calls sin?
I think the reason I push back a bit here is because calling it a serious mental issue seems to get into psychology. If you are implying an actual phsyiological difference (though I am not aware of medical research investigating such a physiological difference) in the brain - well, maybe it’s better to say that rather than call it a serious mental issue.
On another issue you raise, I’d not agree that homosexuality in and of itself indicates a greater tendency toward pedophilia. Molestation of those unable to consent or violation of those able to consent is, in my view, unrelated to same or opposite gender attration. Those crimes seem in most cases to be more about power than attraction.
I think this article (anectdotal evidence only) presents an interesting counterpoint to your assertion that “there is quite a bit of research that supports the contention that domestic violence in gay/lesbian families is much higher than in heterosexual families, and that a variety of serious dysfunctions are found in children raised in gay/lesbian homes.” I’d be interested in knowing more about the studies to which you refer.
I think the reason I push back a bit here is because calling it a serious mental issue seems to get into psychology. If you are implying an actual phsyiological difference (though I am not aware of medical research investigating such a physiological difference) in the brain - well, maybe it’s better to say that rather than call it a serious mental issue.
On another issue you raise, I’d not agree that homosexuality in and of itself indicates a greater tendency toward pedophilia. Molestation of those unable to consent or violation of those able to consent is, in my view, unrelated to same or opposite gender attration. Those crimes seem in most cases to be more about power than attraction.
I think this article (anectdotal evidence only) presents an interesting counterpoint to your assertion that “there is quite a bit of research that supports the contention that domestic violence in gay/lesbian families is much higher than in heterosexual families, and that a variety of serious dysfunctions are found in children raised in gay/lesbian homes.” I’d be interested in knowing more about the studies to which you refer.
[Jack] I guess I just don’t see any reason to start inferring serious mental issues from the phrases you mention above. Isn’t it enough to call sin what God calls sin?Sure, sin is sin- but sin has consequences, and some of them are physical and mental in nature.
I think the reason I push back a bit here is because calling it a serious mental issue seems to get into psychology. If you are implying an actual phsyiological difference (though I am not aware of medical research investigating such a physiological difference) in the brain - well, maybe it’s better to say that rather than call it a serious mental issue.Well, count me as someone not allergic to psychology. Where the research is consistent with what we know to be true from God’s Word, it’s worth considering. When faulty conclusions are drawn, we are free to discount it, just like any other scientific field of study.
I didn’t imply that there is a physiological difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals, so I am not sure about that part of your question. I did say that humans are hard wired to be a specific gender… but God also was smart enough to make sure a person’s anatomy matched their psyche… so maybe I wasn’t clear enough about that?
On another issue you raise, I’d not agree that homosexuality in and of itself indicates a greater tendency toward pedophilia. Molestation of those unable to consent or violation of those able to consent is, in my view, unrelated to same or opposite gender attration. Those crimes seem in most cases to be more about power than attraction.I didn’t say that homosexuals tend to be pedophiles, but many GLBT advocates say that child abuse is not an issue with gays/lesbians because a ‘real’ gay/lesbian is ONLY attracted to other consenting adults. But sexual perversion unrepented of tends toward more perversion. Parents do teach their children their view of the world, and a gay/lesbian parent is probably going to teach their child that their anatomy need not dictate their sexual orientation. That’s not beneficial to the child, IMO.
I think this article (anectdotal evidence only) presents an interesting counterpoint to your assertion that “there is quite a bit of research that supports the contention that domestic violence in gay/lesbian families is much higher than in heterosexual families, and that a variety of serious dysfunctions are found in children raised in gay/lesbian homes.” I’d be interested in knowing more about the studies to which you refer.The article you linked to is a feel-good CNN politically correct ear tickler. I regularly read Psychology Today and the Psychological Bulletin, and there have been actual studies that revealed that LGBT people suffer from more mental disorders than heterosexuals. This, of course, is chalked up to the stress of dealing with homophobes. Then one can play connect-the-dots; children from dysfunctional and divorced families experience more problems in various areas of life, and LGBT couples have a higher rate of divorce and dysfunction.
But I think we’d better get back to Paul’s topic. When it comes to legislating morality on the unregenerate, so to speak, I agree that we need to pick our battles carefully. The American Republic has worked as well as it has for so many years because gov’t was not in everyone’s business to the degree it is today. Christians should not use the power of gov’t to manipulate others any more than I would want a Muslim or atheist to be able to infringe on my freedoms with their own theological beliefs.
Another good example is prayer in schools. I really don’t care if “God got kicked out of school” because if our God is allowed in, then we have to allow Allah and Buddha and Obi Wan Kenobi. It’s a two-way street. Students should be free to pray over their lunch or read their Talmud during study hall or draw a picture of Jesus or Shiva for art class… but the primary focus of schools should be academics, not a place for proselytization. Save your rituals and traditions for your home, church, or mosque. And if religion in schools is important, send the kids to the religious school of your choice. The daily practice of our faith is important to us, and is part of our academic instruction- but that’s why I homeschool.
[Susan R] But I think we’d better get back to Paul’s topic. When it comes to legislating morality on the unregenerate, so to speak, I agree that we need to pick our battles carefully. The American Republic has worked as well as it has for so many years because gov’t was not in everyone’s business to the degree it is today. Christians should not use the power of gov’t to manipulate others any more than I would want a Muslim or atheist to be able to infringe on my freedoms with their own theological beliefs.Picking battles is smart politics. But how can we choose which battles to pick when we have a glaring cognitive dissonance over the proper role of government? I believe that philosophical consistency demands that we either become Christian reconstructionists or libertarians. I’ve opted for the latter.
[Susan R] Another good example is prayer in schools. I really don’t care if “God got kicked out of school” because if our God is allowed in, then we have to allow Allah and Buddha and Obi Wan Kenobi. It’s a two-way street. Students should be free to pray over their lunch or read their Talmud during study hall or draw a picture of Jesus or Shiva for art class… but the primary focus of schools should be academics, not a place for proselytization. Save your rituals and traditions for your home, church, or mosque. And if religion in schools is important, send the kids to the religious school of your choice. The daily practice of our faith is important to us, and is part of our academic instruction- but that’s why I homeschool.I too believe that America should embrace both educational and religious freedom, but I’m skeptical that we can ever separate academics from our faith. Every American, whether ostensibly religious or not, embraces basic presuppositions about the meaning of life that impacts their worldview, including their philosophy of education. Academics cannot be value neutral.
At the risk of belaboring a point, let me note the inconsistency between your toleration for other religions and your lack of toleration for homosexuals. Why are homosexuals less deserving of their rights than adherents of non-Christian religions? Do not believers of other religions also indoctrinate their children in ways that you believe are harmful?
[Paul Matzko]I think Christians are conflicted over how to separate properly… to be in the world but not of it. None of us are consistent- we all draw lines somewhere, usually according to our conscience. And since our minds and consciences are defiled by our fallen nature, we can only strive to be as consistent as possible. I’m not perfect, but I’m over it already.
Picking battles is smart politics. But how can we choose which battles to pick when we have a glaring cognitive dissonance over the proper role of government? I believe that philosophical consistency demands that we either become Christian reconstructionists or libertarians. I’ve opted for the latter.
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[Paul Matzko] I too believe that America should embrace both educational and religious freedom, but I’m skeptical that we can ever separate academics from our faith. Every American, whether ostensibly religious or not, embraces basic presuppositions about the meaning of life that impacts their worldview, including their philosophy of education. Academics cannot be value neutral.I agree that academics are not value neutral, which is another reason why I homeschool. But I also believe that it is possible to present religious topics in schools without actively proselytizing, and to allow students to exercise their religious beliefs w/o infringing on others. IOW, if someone’s religion requires class to stop 3 times a day so they can meditate for 15 minutes, then the school should not be under any obligation to accomodate them, because it affects the other students. But a kid who bows their head over lunch, or sits on the playground and talks about their church or synagogue is not affecting anyone’s ability to receive adequate instruction time.
[Paul Matzko] At the risk of belaboring a point, let me note the inconsistency between your toleration for other religions and your lack of toleration for homosexuals. Why are homosexuals less deserving of their rights than adherents of non-Christian religions? Do not believers of other religions also indoctrinate their children in ways that you believe are harmful?Where is it written that anyone has the ‘right’ to adopt or foster children? People who wish to adopt or foster must qualify… so are people who do not qualify being denied their ‘right’ to have a child? Did you know it isn’t legal for anyone not of Native American origin to adopt an American Indian child? Whose rights are being denied there?
Bottom line, I don’t believe that homosexuals qualify, based on the percentages of gay/lesbian relationships that tend toward mental disorders, domestic violence, and divorce. Children are not guinea pigs for some social experiment. Study after study reveals that the healthiest children come from stable two parent (as in mom and dad) homes. Why shouldn’t children who’ve already lost everything be given the absolute best chance we can give them?
Of course there are religions that indoctrinate children in harmful ways- and we have laws on the books that address issues of children’s health and safety. Regardless of your religious beliefs, it is not legal to cause a child serious physical, mental, or emotional harm through abuse or neglect.
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