Backing Mormon candidate as bad as saying Mormonism is Christianity?
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Pastor Mike Harding
The problem with Romney or one of those others winning, if that is possible, is that Christians and conservatives will drop their guard while the new administration implements a similar agenda to that which the other party already offers.
The heavy hitters in the Stupid Party chose to sit this one out, much as in 1996. Contrary to the popular line in conservative media, I believe they share my prediction that Obama is likely to win in a landslide behind the support of a populace that is increasingly on the government dole.
Thus, I am not setting myself up for a big disappointment here — my expectations are very low to begin with.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
Right now, the unregenerate mindset is to vote for the other guy to sacrifice. Whether that “other guy” is an unborn child, a kid from the other side of town that gets sent off to fight our nation-building “wars” in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Libya (is Iran next?) or wherever, and illegal immigrants doing the agricultural and construction jobs (for not only low pay, but no healthcare/retirement/insurance or other benefits) that Americans won’t do, the folks who pay the taxes to support social programs, etc. the masses will elect whoever promises to shift as much of the burden of the dirty work to someone else as possible.
So right now, the Mormon Church (as represented by Romney, Huntsman) and the Roman Catholics (Santorum, Gingrich) are fighting to compete with Obama for the privilege of giving a nation that despises Jesus Christ whatever they want. The best part is that for all we know, they may be colluding behind the scenes. After Romney (who was being backed heavily by Catholics and was considered their candidate of choice) was rejected by evangelicals in 2008, the Catholic Church and the Mormon church decided to work together overtly and directly - and cut Protestants out of the picture - shortly thereafter, with the (successful) homosexual marriage ban in California their first test of strength, and since then both have also worked together (although much more quietly than the homosexual marriage opposition effort) to oppose anti-illegal immigration efforts.
But hey, if you want to indulge in the Mormon vs. Catholic vs. Obama (whatever he is supposed to represent) shell game, be my guest. The real trick isn’t picking the best snake from the den of vipers, but trying to convince yourself that the snake that you just grabbed by the tail isn’t going to bite you. Or more truthfully, after he has bitten you (as Reagan, Bush, and all the other candidates supported by conservative Christians have been) trying to convince yourself that he didn’t REALLY bite you, and that the next snake that you will be looking for in 2012 or 2016 won’t bite you either.
Solo Christo, Soli Deo Gloria, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura http://healtheland.wordpress.com
Oops (no pun intended), I forgot about Gov. Perry (as did most New Hampshire voters). He received 0.7% last night. He needs to go back to Texas and continue to be the great governor that he is.
How about doing a bit of research prior to voting? http://www.clubforgrowth.org/whitepapers/
It appears that Gov. Romney will win this thing. If you want to protest it, protest it with the guy who has the ability to run a campaign in all 50 states, a guy who is really a fiscal conservative, a guy who has a long track record of voting consistently for liberty, a Christian, a medical doctor (hello health care debate), a guy who pulls independents and even many Dems, a guy who wants to give Israel a free reign to do what they need to do.
Sure, Romney is nearly inevitable (because Fox News has been saying so, and because he has money). Hopefully, he will be a good president. But let’s stop looking for a “true conservative” when we have a proven liberty-loving Constitutionalists standing right in front of us, nipping at Romney’s heals.
After Israel struck Gaza in early 2009, the good doctor gave an interview to Iranian TV and said Israel was the aggressor, Gaza was Israel’s “concentration camp” and rather than criticize the Palestinians for firing thousands of rockets into Israeli towns, he said all they had were just “home-made bombs.” He said this to Iranian TV. Israel, he said, would make peace with the Arab league if we weren’t backing them up. I have tried to think of something more shameful than that said by an American congressman overseas…I just haven’t been able to come up with anything.
On top of that, his solution to Iran getting a nuclear bomb is to offer them friendship. To me, that’s just a teency bit naive.
BTW, I am pro-Arab.
BTW, I am pro-Arab.I always thought pro Arab and anti-semitic were synonymous
Richard Pajak
As for Ron Paul, one of the creepiest things about the race this time around is how many supporters he seems to have.
…and how many think that his ideas form some kind of standard for authentic conservatism. Libertarianism is not conservatism, though they tend to overlap/track together on several points.
Though I appreciate Paul’s desire (at least rhetorically) to do drastic things to deal with the size of gov’t and the debt situation, he shows a great deal of naivety about what is actually possible locally and what is even close to sane globally (“foreign policy”).
But to get back to the OP, the fundamental question there is how does a candidate’s religion relate to his fitness for office or to whether or not Christians vote for him? It’s certainly a mistake to think that a vote for a candidate is an endorsement of what he believes about everything . So why should we view it as an endorsement of his religion? He’s not running for National Chaplain or National High Priest.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
The link to Paul on Iranian TV. Press TV, for the uninformed, is the Iranian English language press arm of the regime.
By the way, Paul is also being heavily promoted on Russian English language media as the “peace candidate.” I wonder why…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17dFsK8DSSE
The Bachmann and Santorum slander
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-on-michele-bachmann-she-hates-…
The moral argument is fairly simple if you think about the big picture. If Israel unilaterally laid down all their weapons for one year, what would happen to the Israeli people? And if Israel’s Arab neighbors unilaterally laid down their weapons for one year, what would happen to them?
Now, what do you think of Dr. Paul’s specific comments to Iranian TV? What do you think of his use of the word “concentration camp”?
I know this is way off topic, so I will probably post it in a new thread under politics. A more theological discussion: Is the modern state of Israel a direct recipient of the OT blessings / curses on Israel? Thus, are Christians required to defend her? Or, is the modern state of Israel to be treated as other modern states, and to be judged and treated on her merits / demerits?
My gut feel is that the modern state of Israel is not protected by the blessings given in the OT. I would like to think this through with people who are wiser than me.
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