Antidote: A Cure for a Common Problem of Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism

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The first thing Aaron Blumer (publisher, SharperIron) said to me when we talked about our next conference was “I’m pretty skeptical of the idea of convergence.” Convergence—the idea that fundamentalism and conservative evangelicalism are heading toward, or should be working toward, convergence into one movement—has certainly been what some have perceived Standpoint Conference to be about. We would argue that’s an oversimplification of what we’re about. As our last Standpoint Conference concluded, we made a conscious choice to leave previous issues behind and move on to more critical issues.

Specifically, we believe that fundamentalism and evangelicalism face similar crises. For different reasons, fundamentalism has lurking at its most conservative end some who are less concerned with doctrine than they should be. Evangelicalism has, in the mainstream, those who are also less concerned with doctrine than they should be. On the extreme right of fundamentalism, this expresses itself with a near-obsessive attention to stylistic details that distracts from doctrinal issues. On the left of evangelicalism, church growth, political activism and social influence provide similar distractions.

The alarming result is that both are disengaged from issues that have serious doctrinal consequences. Among those on the far right of fundamentalism, the disengagement results from a feeling that the larger problems of Christianity are irrelevant to them. (“All who are to the left of us are ‘liberals’ anyway.”) Among those on the left of evangelicalism, the disengagement results from a feeling that all must be well because their churches are growing numerically.

Meanwhile, battles are being waged over ideas that represent vast theological shifts. These shifts are happening not just in institutions of higher learning, but in the pews. Rob Bell preaches a form of universalism, and thousands don’t know how to respond—or feel the need to soft-pedal their rejection. N.T. Wright’s New Perspective on Paul is only dimly understood (if at all) by the vast majority of those reading this article. The gay theologians advance their theories and they are uniformly rejected—but few realize that they are using hermeneutical models that are only slightly more radical than the ones taught in our colleges and seminaries. Ground is given, or freedom granted, on the roles of women in leadership, hermeneutics, creation models, eschatological views, all without recognizing that all of the changes are attached to theological structures that mean something and that changes in one area are harbingers of other changes to come—or changes that have already been made in theological viewpoints.

The role of writing

In the early 1900s, the spread of liberal theology drove a few men to engage in a series of lectures, papers and eventually books designed to address the crisis. The goal was to draw attention to liberal theology and renew interest in good theology. The Fundamentals, as a publication, became the foundation for all the fundamentalisms and evangelicalism we see today. They raised awareness of the issues and helped to turn back the tide of Liberalism.

We at Standpoint Conference propose to begin something similar. Over our next three conferences, we intend to address key issues that have theological implications that should alarm us. Your written contributions—or even lectures—may be helpful to us, and we desire your input.

We believe that the doctrinal drift of our times transcends the very real issues that still divide conservative evangelicals and those within the fundamentalist movement. Regardless of whether you believe in what Standpoint Conference has done in the past, or agree with its leadership team on certain particulars, you ought to care about theological purity. We challenge you to be part of the discussion.

This year’s planned topics include the importance of gender in theology and practice, the sufficiency of Scripture and modern counseling, the new mechanistic hermeneutics, responses to the gay theologians, which eschatological schemes are orthodox (and which are not), what constitutes authentic worship, the essentials of a believer’s life within the church body, the recent resurgence of various forms of inclusivism and universalism, and issues surrounding how we promote sanctification (if we can at all). The Standpoint Conference leadership is prepared to address some of these topics, if necessary; we are confident that there are persons with better knowledge of the topics who could address them more effectively. Perhaps you are one such person.

This need not be limited to the work of great doctors of theology. Pastors grounded in the Word through years of study can have equally valuable input. A detailed description of our topics for the next conference is at our website. Please consider them. In fact, we would welcome work on an entirely different topic of major doctrinal concern.

As of now, the conference has a great key-note speaker in Phil Johnson, of Grace to You. Phil is passionate about this topic and has spoken elsewhere on the need to re-emphasize sound doctrine in the church. Other speaker announcements will be made shortly. But we need the doctrinal core of the conference to come together soon—and that involves your help. Please stop by www.standpointconference.com today, look over our topics, and consider being part of the discussion.

Mike Durning Bio

Mike Durning has been the pastor at Mt. Pleasant Bible Church in Goodells, MI for more than 15 years. He attended Hyles-Anderson College, Midwestern Baptist Bible College and Bob Jones University over 8 years and somehow emerged with a mere bachelor’s degree. He lives in Goodells with his wife Terri and adult son, Ryan, and about 12 chickens that have wandered into his yard and like it better than the neighbor’s yard. Mike is flattered if you call him a “young fundamentalist,” since he is 46 and is prone to self-deception on such issues. If you see someone on the street who looks like the picture of Mike, but with gray hair, it probably is Mike.

Discussion

At 2:30 AM, I received a call to go to the hospital where they were taking my mom. Tests are underway. Please forgive me if I am slow to respond to comments for a day or two. Your prayers are appreciated.

At 2:33 AM, I received an email complaining about this article. I didnt even know the article was up yet. Don’t you folks ever sleep?

The email was calling us Evangelicals, because of the inclusion of Phil Johnson on our platform. So, before the doctor comes in and gives us some results, let me respond. This seems like a great time to recap what the article indicates: This doctrinal drift issue transcends the issues between our two movements. We can’t very well say that and then lock out folks for not agreeing with us on every issue. Are there limits? Sure. We wouldn’t invite those who are part of the problem — from either movement.

Mike, one of the problems among fundamentalists is that they think their stripe of fundamentalism and their stance of separation such as who are platform speakers at different conferences is the only valid ones. Growing up in the GARBC, there was regular movement among us fundamentalists and those who were conservative evangelicals. We saw it modeled in Dr. Ketcham and his friendship and platform sharing with Warren Weirsbe (who would be considered comparable to today’s conservative evangelical).

Dr. Bauder talks about this in the recent Baptist Bulletin article…….


It is more true of some branches of fundamentalism than others, to say that we built the wall and never crossed it. I grew up in the Regular Baptist movement, and in the Regular Baptist movement that wall was crossed very regularly. And sometimes perhaps, even too regularly! On the campus of the school I attended (a Regular Baptist institution) it was not at all unheard of to hear conservative evangelical speakers, individuals who at the time would have been the equivalent of conservative evangelicalism today. Lots and lots of us have been to evangelical schools. Lots and lots of us have sat through Don Carson’s classes.
Anyway, my point is that labeling you and those who are putting on this conference as evangelicals is just crazy talk! Since it is being held at the church that I grew up in, there is even more of a motivation for me to participate :)

When, oh when will we finally understand that doctrine is more important than camps and labels. (Ever hear of the “I am of Apollos, I am of Paul, I am of Cephas syndrome?) When, oh when will we understand that the Gospel is central and foundational, and everything else is secondary to it? When will we understand that a solid understanding and defense of the Gospel is far more important than taking a stand on Bible versions? When will we understand that fellowship around the Gospel is more God-honoring than fellowship around religious movements and issues?

Sigh. Perhaps not until we get to Heaven. But one can always hope and pray.

G. N. Barkman

Not considering myself old, I must still admit to being old enough to remember when the terms fundamental and evangelical were equated with each other. I remember when the shift became evident - when doctrine was downplayed and evangelism became more important than truth and sanctification. I was just a child as I watched my father, the director of an independent Youth for Christ, grapple with the issues separating Christians. Dad became more and more of a

fundamentalist as he attempted to be true to the Word of God.

Today, I am watching conservative evangelicals fight the battle for doctrinal purity and I applaud them. I am watching some fundamentalists leave the preaching of Christ in His glory for minor areas of style and it saddens me. If God brings His people together around the truths of the Bible, for His glory, it will be a day for rejoicing. May you Christian men have wisdom from on high as you seek the Lord’s will in this matter.

L Strickler

Part of the problem with rhetoric on the subject is that people use “evangelical” pejoratively and narrowly. I think we should get back to using the term per it’s actual meaning, “one who believes in and promotes the evangel,” i.e., the gospel

I would hope that we are all evangelicals here!

The distinction between “them” and (some of) “us” has to do with what else we are besides evangelical… and how we understand certain implications of the evangel.

Kevin Bauder and others have written a good bit of what kinds of things still distinguish fundamentalist evangelicals from non-fundamentalist-but-conservative ones. FWIW, I think these differences are still important and shouldn’t get lost, but the “keep the fence, keep it low, shake hands often” paradigm is a good one for where we now live… i.e., in a world where the very problem Mike addresses in the article is a reality.

There really is a major doctrinal erosion that characterizes all the flavors of gospel-believers/gospel-affirmers. And this problem is bigger than any one neighborhood in the evangelical landscape.

So… I’m not interested in “convergence,” but the reality is that fundamentalists have always read the books and listened to the speakers and (to some extent) attended the conferences of non-fundamentalists. It’s silly to think that we can isolate ourselves from what’s happening in evangelicalism generally—and as Mike says here, we’ve got doctrinal problems of our own. It’s already “inside” the (mostly imaginary) fundamentalist fortress. So that’s the disease that is killing all of us.

Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.

When the Lyman brothers paid for the distribution of the Fundamentals in 1909 there was not an Evangelical seminary in the country. All the graduate theological seminaries had been influenced by liberalism. In addition, the denominations were intact yet and many in them were fighting the truth battle. The undergraduate Bible Institute movement was just starting.

Today there are several graduate seminaries that are considered Fundamentalist in doctrine and practice of separation. Also, there are numerous undergraduate Bible Colleges and colleges that are considered as Fundamentalist. Today there are several seminaries that would be classified as Evangelical, conservative, but not Fundamentalist in practice. There are also several colleges and universities that would be classified as evangelical and conservative. In addition there are numerous specialty organizations such as Answers in Genesis, ICR, and others.

These Fundamentalist and conservative Evangelical schools and organizations regularly publish Journals and papers which handle the issues of the day in a rigorous academic manner. We also have the Evangelical Theological society and other such groups. This is not 1909 or the 1920s.

With the above institutions and groups speaking to the issues and having their own conferences, what real purpose is the conference going to accomplish? The leaders of this attempted effort appear to be confused as to Fundamentalism and Conservative Evangelicalism. These labels now are very inclusive and include a wide variety of people. Most are independent in their own right. What most who accept the label Fundamentalist call Conservative Evangelicalism is a large pool with a lot of swimmers doing different strokes and going different directions. The manufactured concept of “convergence” appears to be a made up scenario of some who were brought up in Fundamentalism, are dissatisfied with many aspects of what has happened or is under the label, and instead of calling themselves the “Young New Evangelicals” wish to hope that somehow some new movement may emerge. Today there are too many independent mega churches and schools for such to happen. Also, we need no further movements, labels, or studies.

With all due respect, I would suggest these gentlemen get on with their individual ministry callings and responsibilities. Please leave the studies and conferences, of which there are already way too many, to the already established groups. Instead of convergence we need common sense emergence. Something all of us, including myself, need more of.

Fundamentalism is Fundamentally Evangelicalism plus separation. At the heart is the admonition of Acts 20: 17-31. Fundamentalists take the degree and application of separation necessary to protect the churches and institutions. Evangelicals, whether conservative, moderate, or new, do not.

[Jim Peet] Convergence rhymes with emergence :) :(
And always results in divergence! ;)

[Bob T.] Today there are several graduate seminaries that are considered Fundamentalist in doctrine and practice of separation. Also, there are numerous undergraduate Bible Colleges and colleges that are considered as Fundamentalist. Today there are several seminaries that would be classified as Evangelical, conservative, but not Fundamentalist in practice. There are also several colleges and universities that would be classified as evangelical and conservative. In addition there are numerous specialty organizations such as Answers in Genesis, ICR, and others.

These Fundamentalist and conservative Evangelical schools and organizations regularly publish Journals and papers which handle the issues of the day in a rigorous academic manner. We also have the Evangelical Theological society and other such groups. This is not 1909 or the 1920s.

With the above institutions and groups speaking to the issues and having their own conferences, what real purpose is the conference going to accomplish?
Sure, there are many fine colleges, seminaries, and para-church ministries standing for the truth. And yet, Bob, the doctrinal erosion continues. The situation in my own state demonstrates it well.

There are several reputedly fine Evangelical schools in Michigan. I can say with confidence: every undergraduate ministerial student I have met from these institutions in my own state (and a fair percentage of those who have completed their degrees) has alarmed me. The things that fall from their lips… “Contemplative modes” of spiritual development, mocking Biblical counseling advocates and speaking out in favor of purely secular methodologies, the creation account in Genesis 1-2 doesn’t matter (not that they are open to debate: they think it actually doesn’t matter), and, of course, “Who am I to condemn Rob Bell’s teaching?” Of course, these schools are not even Conservative Evangelical, but mainstream Evangelical, demonstrating one of my points from the article.

When meeting the same level students or graduates from Fundamentalist institutions, the pattern of distraction I addressed in the article emerges quickly. Their obsession is over Bible versions, music, and other secondary (or, dare I say, tertiary?) issues. Nobody asks me what our church believes about any theological position of any kind.

Fortunately, those with graduate-level educations show more wisdom and balance, whether from Evangelical or Fundy institutions. But the problem continues, even at that level.

I think we would be foolish to wait until things get as bad as they got in the early 1900’s to raise awareness of this issue.

Mike and all,

You are addressing the REAL issues that need to be addressed. The New Perspective is particularly dangerous, and the real battle line is hermeneutics.

One of my long term goals is to write a second book after my first book, The Midrash Key, paves the way. The Midrash Key explains how many of Jesus teachings’ are explanations and applications of Old Testament texts.

The next book I intend to write (but have yet to start) will probably be titled, “The Amazing Doctrines of Paul as Midrash.” I am convinced that the best defense within the community of believers that acknowledges the Bible is to demonstrate how NT teachings are based on OT passages. That can refute the New Perspective and other errors particularly in soteriology with amazing force. For example, consider that Isaiah 53 demonstrates that a penal sacrifice was in mind when Paul wrote “Christ died for our sins.” Paul’s doctrine of justification — being declared righteous and being given the righteousness of Christ— is based on Zechariah 3:1-9. The eternality of hell is based on Daniel 12:2.

If we can demonstrate that all the fundamentals and essential beliefs we embrace are found in the First Testament and elaborated on in the Second, we have a pretty tight case. That is what I hope to do, personally. You can only distort the New Testament so much when you include Old Testament mother texts for New Testament teaching.

What Mike and the conference wants to do is crucial for us all! I am with you, brother. The need is real, the threat greater than most realize.

"The Midrash Detective"

[Ed Vasicek] I am convinced that the best defense within the community of believers that acknowledges the Bible is to demonstrate how NT teachings are based on OT passages.
Brilliant!

I remember when taking Hebrew my prof opened my eyes to this. And just recently having a converted Jew explain a lot of the symbolism between the Passover and Easter/Jesus. I am trying to get him to do similar things for a few of the other feasts. So many NT things make so much more sense when first understood from the OT.

Plus, there really are a lot of good things in the OT.

[Ed Vasicek] I am convinced that the best defense within the community of believers that acknowledges the Bible is to demonstrate how NT teachings are based on OT passages. That can refute the New Perspective and other errors particularly in soteriology with amazing force. For example, consider that Isaiah 53 demonstrates that a penal sacrifice was in mind when Paul wrote “Christ died for our sins.” Paul’s doctrine of justification — being declared righteous and being given the righteousness of Christ— is based on Zechariah 3:1-9. The eternality of hell is based on Daniel 12:2.
Ed, I’m sure I speak for our team when I say give us a paper on it! We’d love that!

[RPittman]
[Mike] N.T. Wright’s New Perspective on Paul is only dimly understood (if at all) by the vast majority of those reading this article.
What’s so hard to understand? It seems that Mike is saying, “Hey, most of you guys are ignorant!” IMHO, this is not the way to win friends and influence readers. :-)
Ha, Roland! I admit I don’t have a scientific survery, but let’s be frank. I surveyed a bunch of pastors standing around at a meeting recently. I knew more about it than any of them - and I’ve barely scratched the surface of the topic. I don’t think the ignorance is because they are dumb rubes, but because of the priorities the modern version of ministry places on us.

I’m reminded of the guy who told me I hadn’t been out to visit him at his house in 6 months. I asked “How long have you been a Christian?” His answer: “25 years”. I said “You should be out visiting, not waiting at home for a visit!”. They go every week now, visiting shut-ins and seniors, and are a great blessing. But as long as every believer thinks the pastor is there to help him raise the new barn, or the pastor should visit him every few weeks (whether he is being discipled or not), we’ll have pastors who can’t keep up on their reading filling our pulpits.

I do have a friend who has gone to hear Wright speak and will lecture exhaustively on his errors, though.

The things that fall from their lips… “Contemplative modes” of spiritual development, mocking Biblical counseling advocates and speaking out in favor of purely secular methodologies, the creation account in Genesis 1-2 doesn’t matter (not that they are open to debate: they think it actually doesn’t matter), and, of course, “Who am I to condemn Rob Bell’s teaching?” Of course, these schools are not even Conservative Evangelical, but mainstream Evangelical, demonstrating one of my points from the article.

When meeting the same level students or graduates from Fundamentalist institutions, the pattern of distraction I addressed in the article emerges quickly. Their obsession is over Bible versions, music, and other secondary (or, dare I say, tertiary?) issues.
This compares two fairly distinct sets of issues and I think it highlights a key distinction. The first issues are doctrinal, and they are settled matters for fundamentalists. So these things do not “fall from their lips” because they know better. The unfortunate part is the second issues. It reminds me of a conversation years ago where someone was commenting negatively on the fact that fundamentalists weren’t speaking out about complementarianism and egalitarianism, where people like Driscoll and Piper were. My response was simple: Fundamentalists aren’t speaking out about it because the people they are speaking too aren’t confused about it.

And that brings me to the NPP. As for the NPP, I think that outside of academia, it’s not that big of a deal. If I had a dime for every time one of the people in my community asked me about the NPP, I would be … well, penniless. And with good reason. It’s not the stuff that local church ministry is made of. Very few pastors know about it because it is not that big of a deal unless you are in academia. Which is why I am skeptical that it is a worthy topic for a pastor’s conference. It may be helpful to give an overview of some sort, but I doubt that it will be useful in preaching or teaching in most local churches.

I’m not excited by this venture, nor do I think it has any hope of living up to the Fundamentals. (Of course, I’m not sure that the Fundamentals were actually that significant in the first place.)

Fundamentalism cannot address the issues of the day, for Fundamentalism is removed from the issues of the day by self-imposed exile. Fundamentalism cannot speak with a scholarly voice, for it has no scholars through which to do so. The essence of scholarship is a commitment to research in a critical yet cooperative peer-reviewed environment. It is through forced interaction with people of differing views that one comes to understand one’s own position and its significance. Since most Fundamentalists refuse to participate in the very activities that define scholars - publishing in peer-reviewed papers and presenting at peer-reviewed conferences - they have not developed scholarly mindsets. Listening to Fundamentalists critique broadly Christian theology is like listening to a lecture on French culture by an American who has never visited France and knows no French people. It’s impossible for them even to recognize how incomplete, skewed, and arbitrary their thoughts are.

The scholar listens before making himself understood. This requires open dialogue and meaningful interaction with divergent viewpoints. Because this is contrary to the majority Fundamentalist modus operandi, Fundamentalism maintains no scholarly voice. Any papers presented or lectures given at such a conference will be ignored except by those who already care about and agree with the speakers. It is speaking into an echo chamber.

I will be excited to hear Fundamentalist critiques of other culture when Fundamentalists themselves can produce rigorous theological works that stand up to peer criticism, and when they have first-hand knowledge of what they’re talking about through open, professional dialogue with non-Fundamentalists.

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