"Every Southern Baptist conservative is a New Evangelical."
“This year Kevin Bauder of Central Baptist has used his blog to praise ‘conservative evangelicals’ such as Southern Baptist Seminary head Al Mohler, John MacArthur, John Piper, D.A. Carson, and R. C. Sproul. Central recently invited Bill Edmonson, a graduate of the New Evangelical Gordon Conwell Seminary, to lead a workshop in February 2011. Central graduate David Sorenson observes: ‘Dr. Clearwaters, the founder of Central, would roll over in his grave if he knew this. They are becoming new-evangelicals in fundamentalist clothing.’” David Cloud, Conservative Evangelicals
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Mohler has repeatedly attempted to clarify what he meant by signing the MD… as for “making common cause” in this case. Well, I’m not among those who believe that we cannot join in moral and political efforts with those who hold to our moral and political views unless they are faithful Christians.
So the common cause is not the problem in that case so much as the theologically heavy wording of the whole thing and the way the MD obscured the gospel. They should have focused more on the topic at hand.
But even if we suppose that he intentionally joined hands with apostates in an ecclesiastical effort with that, there is still a big difference between failing to apply separation principles properly in a situation vs. rejecting those principles out of hand.
As for Dever, he has never—to my knowledge—done anything of the kind.
So the common cause is not the problem in that case so much as the theologically heavy wording of the whole thing and the way the MD obscured the gospel. They should have focused more on the topic at hand.
But even if we suppose that he intentionally joined hands with apostates in an ecclesiastical effort with that, there is still a big difference between failing to apply separation principles properly in a situation vs. rejecting those principles out of hand.
As for Dever, he has never—to my knowledge—done anything of the kind.
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Don, Mohler has made it clear he does not think those other groups are true believers. I hope your statement was simply an oversight and not intentionally misrepresenting him. You are aware of the truth now though.
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Don,
Not trying to pile on, but I think Aaron is right. Dever has never signed anything like the MD. I know other blogs have implied that Dever did, but he did not. You could say that he didn’t repudiate Mohler, but it is not accurate to imply that he signed it.
Not trying to pile on, but I think Aaron is right. Dever has never signed anything like the MD. I know other blogs have implied that Dever did, but he did not. You could say that he didn’t repudiate Mohler, but it is not accurate to imply that he signed it.
Roger Carlson, Pastor Berean Baptist Church
Roger, it’s true that Dever never signed the Manhattan Declaration. I wasn’t referring to him, but I can see how my comment wasn’t clear.
However, it should be noted that Dever is the Chairman of the Board of Southern Seminary. He is joined at the hip with Mohler and Southern. That doesn’t make him guilty of signing the Manhattan Declaration, but he is tightly involved with Southern. Do I need to list the complaints we make about Southern Seminary?
However, it should be noted that Dever is the Chairman of the Board of Southern Seminary. He is joined at the hip with Mohler and Southern. That doesn’t make him guilty of signing the Manhattan Declaration, but he is tightly involved with Southern. Do I need to list the complaints we make about Southern Seminary?
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Jer 33.3
Don,
No problem. Others have been unclear on that as well and have made a direct link between Dever and the MD. I agree Southern has concerns. But I would take the Southern of today than the Southern of 20 years ago.
No problem. Others have been unclear on that as well and have made a direct link between Dever and the MD. I agree Southern has concerns. But I would take the Southern of today than the Southern of 20 years ago.
Roger Carlson, Pastor Berean Baptist Church
[rogercarlson] But I would take the Southern of today than the Southern of 20 years ago.My son-in-law graduated from Southern a few years ago with a music degree.
The pastor of the church where my son-in-law serves as Minister of Music, graduated from Southern many years ago.
2 very different schools!
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