On Bible Interpretation, Evidence, and Music

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2 Timothy 3:16 reveals that all of Scripture is God-inspired and instructive. Taken with Romans 15:4, similar verses, and examples of NT use of OT passages, some have concluded that even incidental narrative details are potential sources of doctrine.

Since OT narrative details reference everything from clothing to cooking, tools, weapons, vehicles (carts, chariots), and so much more, there are, of course, references to music. There are even references to specific instruments, moods, and uses of music.

I want to offer a few thoughts here for two audiences. The first is those who claim the hermeneutic (interpretive approach) that takes every narrative detail as a potential source of doctrine. The second audience is those who have participated in conversations, debates, or quarrels on the topic of “what the Bible teaches about music” and sensed that there was some kind of disconnect regarding how to use Scripture to address features of present-day culture.

Maybe something here can help a few understand each other a little bit better on these topics and more accurately identify points of agreement and disagreement.

Narrative and Evidence

I’ve written about proper use of narrative before, with a focus on why we should avoid “spiritualizing” elements of narrative—whether OT or NT. Many of the same problems afflict efforts to extract doctrine from narrative details.

Here, we’ll focus on the role of evidence in Bible interpretation, especially narrative.

It should be a given that since we’re talking about God’s Word, and teaching we are going to claim is “biblical,” any interpretation we take of any passage of Scripture—narrative or not—needs to be justified by evidence and reasoning. Saying “God meant this when He said that” is a weighty claim! It needs to be justified.

In other words, whenever we claim, “This information in this text has this meaning for us,” we should be expected to prove it. The “proof” may be informal, as it usually is in preaching. Still, we should expect listeners to want reasons. Our beliefs and assertions should be warranted, and we should help others see why they are warranted.

Narrative is no exception to this duty—any more than poetry, prophecy, or epistles.

Classifying Evidence

Some years ago, I wrote about casting lots as a thought experiment on handling biblical evidence. A lot of readers wanted to debate the validity of casting lots—but my intent was to stir curiosity: Why don’t churches or individual believers generally make decisions that way today?

There’s a reason we don’t. It has to do with evidence.

I’m going to talk about three qualities of evidence, two types of evidence, then five sub-types.

First, three qualities:

  • Consistent with
  • Supportive
  • Conclusive

Say a building burned down, and we discover that Wolfgang was at the location when the fire started. His presence there is consistent with the claim that he started the fire, but it doesn’t support that conclusion at all. This is more obvious if lots of other people were there, too.

But suppose we also learn that Wolfgang had publicly said he wished that building would burn. He also bought lots of flammable liquids earlier that day. That still doesn’t prove he did it, but it is supportive. Though inconclusive, it is evidential for the claim that Wolfgang started the fire.

Now suppose Wolfgang was the only person there at the right time to have started the fire. Suppose the building was recently inspected and found to have no faulty wiring. There were no electrical storms that day, either.

We are now probably “beyond reasonable doubt” about Wolfgang’s guilt. The evidence is conclusive in the sense that it warrants a high-confidence conclusion.

On to the two types:

  • Internal evidence
  • External evidence

In reference to the Bible, internal evidence is anything within the 66 books of the Bible. External evidence is everything from human experience, human nature, and the whole created world outside the Bible.

Simple enough. On to the five sub-types. These are types of internal evidence. We could choose almost any topic, then classify every (or nearly every) biblical reference to it as one of these types. I’ll use music for this example:

  1. Direct teaching on the nature and purpose of music in all contexts.
  2. Direct teaching on the nature and purpose of music in a particular setting.
  3. Examples of people using music, with contextual indications of quality, and evidence of exemplary intent.
  4. Examples of people using music, with contextual indications of quality but no evidence of exemplary intent.
  5. Examples of people using music, but no contextual indications of quality or exemplary intent.

What do I mean by “exemplary intent”? Sometimes we read that person A did B, and the context encourages us to believe we’re seeing an example of good or bad conduct. For example, we read that Daniel prayed “as he had done previously” (Dan 6:10). The context encourages us to see Daniel’s choices as both good (“contextual indications of quality”) and something to imitate in an appropriate way (“exemplary intent”).

Evidence and Certainty

Why bother to classify evidence? Because classifying the information (evidence/potential evidence) guides us in evaluating how well it works as justification for a claim. In turn, that shapes how certain we can be that our understanding is correct and how certain we can encourage others to be.

Looking at the five types of internal evidence above, the evidential weight and certainty decrease as we get further down the list. By the time we get to type 5, we may not have evidence at all—in reference to our topic or claim. Depending on the size of the claim, there might be information that is consistent with a claim, but not really anything supportive, much less conclusive.

As we move up the list of types, relevance to the topic becomes far more direct, and interpretive possibilities are greatly reduced. Certainty increases because there are fewer options.

There is no Bible verse that tells us this. It’s a function of what is there in the text vs. what is not there. We know there is a difference between an apostle saying, “Do this for this reason” and an individual in an OT history doing something, with no explanation of why it’s in the text. The relationship of these realities to appropriate levels of certainty follows out of necessity.

How Narrative Is Special

Speaking of differences between one genre of writing and another in Scripture, let’s pause to briefly note a few things about narrative.

  • Humans pretty much universally recognize narrative. They may not be able to explain what sets it apart from other kinds of writing, but they know it when they read or hear it.
  • The characteristics of narrative that enable us to recognize it are not revealed in Scripture. There is no verse that says “this is the definition of narrative.” We just know.
  • Those characteristics include the fact that many details in narratives are only there to support the story. They are not intended to convey anything to us outside of that context.
  • There is no Bible verse that tells us narrative works this way. We just know. It’s built into the definition.

What does this mean when it comes to evidence and justifying our claim that a passage reveals a truth or helps build a doctrine?

It means that narrative detail has a different burden-of-proof level by default. Because the story-supportive role of narrative detail is inherent in the nature of narrative, our starting assumption with these details is normally that they are there to give us information about the events and characters, not to provide other kinds of information.

Can a narrative detail have a secondary purpose of revealing to us the nature of, say, hats and other clothing, carts and other vehicles, stew and other dishes, axes and other tools, lyres and other musical instruments? Probably sometimes. As with any other interpretive claim, the burden of proof lies on the interpreter to justify it. In the case of narrative, though, the interpreter has a lower-certainty starting point, and a longer journey to arrive at a warranted belief.

The Profitability of All Scripture

2 Timothy 3:16 and Romans 15:4 do indeed assure us that all of Scripture is important. “Verbal, plenary inspiration” describes our conviction that every original word of the Bible is fully and equally from God. So we don’t look at any words and dismiss them as unimportant. What we do is ask how do these words work together in their context to provide us with “teaching… reproof.. correction… and training in righteousness.”

Narrative details are important. They’re so important that we’re obligated to stay out of the way and let them do their job.

Discussion

And as you note in this sentence--"bottom line for me is that there are musical "genres" or "styles" that are unacceptable to God because they are of demonic origin."--your argument is, in a nutshell, that we must work from guilt by association. Since that is a basic logical fallacy, and moreover would implicate basically any type of music, that claim is "dead on arrival" for me.

Bert, you beat this drum constantly, usually when attempting to shut down someone else's argument. I am not sure you really understand logical fallacies.

It is true that there is a fallacy of guilt by association, and it might be true that Rajesh is using it.

However, mere association can be a valid reason for dissassociating ourselves from something. Otherwise, why would all those Christian book stores, Masters University, etc., have suddenly dropped Steve Lawson's material?

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Neither the discussion about the GCI or arguing about things like skull drums is accomplishing that with respect to music. I’ve been reading authors on this topic for more than 40 years, beginning with Garlock (I was a teenager when I first heard him speak, so I wanted to see if he had good arguments for what I had heard preached all my life) and moving on to others most recently including Aniol, and I’m yet to be convinced, on this forum or elsewhere.

More than forty years is a long time to be reading about a subject and not be convinced so as to have firmly held positions. It seems to me that you, like many, may have underlying presuppositions or assumptions that need to be scrutinized for validity.

It's mind-boggling to me that so many people have a hard time accepting or even flat out reject that demons can and have directed humans to engage in musical activity such that the music played on the instruments used was entirely and permanently unacceptable to God. Apparently, there is a huge disconnect between our thinking on some foundational matters such as demonology and human sinfulness.

>>It’s mind-boggling to me that so many people have a hard time accepting or even flat out reject that demons can and have directed humans to engage in musical activity such that the music played on the instruments used was entirely and permanently unacceptable to God.<<

So if I understand what you have said in different threads, I take the following from your arguments:

  1. Demons direct humans to do unholy things, including making unholy music.
  2. This worship may include lyrics we cannot humanly understand.
  3. We aren’t to study too closely these aspects of demons and false worship.
  4. We still need to know that whatever humans do under the influence of demons is something we cannot do or use ourselves.
  5. Because of how some humans use music in worship of demons, music in those styles or with the same instruments (or maybe with other similarities I’m not currently thinking of) is something Christians cannot use.
  6. Humans are not in a position to evaluate musicological aspects of music that may or may not make it acceptable to God.

If I haven’t misrepresented you above, then with your way of approaching this topic, I have no way to know what music I can or cannot use based on music made from demonic activity. If I can’t study or listen to such music, or evaluate it in any way, then I have no way to know if music I use is similar enough or not to be unacceptable, beyond the obvious (like using instruments made out of humans or with demonic inscriptions, or unholy lyrics).

If, as most of us do, we stay completely away from anything to do with the occult, how do we have any way of knowing that music we are making is similar enough to such music to be unacceptable? What lines can be drawn that get us there?

Of course there is demonic activity, and of course humans are sinful. But taking the arguments above to their logical conclusion, we can’t use anything (including music) made by humans, because it might be similar to what humans worshipping demons are doing.

If you can’t show me how to use all of our tools from scripture, knowledge, experience, and logic to evaluate something like music, then I submit the whole process is incorrect, because scripture commands us to make judgments, and specifically, righteous judgments. Guessing doesn’t meet that criteria, and neither does just listening to a supposed expert telling me what is good and what is evil.

Dave Barnhart

So if I understand what you have said in different threads, I take the following from your arguments:

  1. Demons direct humans to do unholy things, including making unholy music.
  2. This worship may include lyrics we cannot humanly understand.
  3. We aren’t to study too closely these aspects of demons and false worship.
  4. We still need to know that whatever humans do under the influence of demons is something we cannot do or use ourselves.
  5. Because of how some humans use music in worship of demons, music in those styles or with the same instruments (or maybe with other similarities I’m not currently thinking of) is something Christians cannot use.
  6. Humans are not in a position to evaluate musicological aspects of music that may or may not make it acceptable to God.

Points 2, 3, and 5 are faulty because it appears that you either conflate or reduce all demonic practices and activity as worship of demons. That simply is not true and not what the Bible teaches.

This is a very important correction that you need to make in your demonology. Scripture does speak of the worship of demons, but that is far from everything that the Bible has to say about the occult, etc.

More later when I have more time, DV.