Church and State–A Sketch in Five Acts (Principle 2)
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In the last article, we discussed the most basic principle to rightly understand the “church v. state” conundrum. That principle was this—there are two kingdoms, Babylon and Jerusalem. Babylon will lose. Now we’ll build on this foundation and introduce the next building block:
Principle no. 2: God’s kingdom is distinct from every nation state.
What hath the “Jerusalem that is above” to do with Washington D.C., London, Moscow, Beijing, Mexico City, and Buenos Aries? Nothing. That is, not directly. God’s kingdom is not the USA, Great Britain, or Russia … not even Barbados. American Christians may nod their heads at this point.
I’d like to ask you to stop. Think for a moment. Then realize that I really mean that. America has nothing to do with God’s kingdom. That means something pretty important for the church v. state issue—but more on that later.
The “Babylon” which the Apostle John describes in Revelation 17-18 represents Satan’s kingdom in all its flavors. Some interpreters see Babylon only as a geo-political foe which will rise in the last days—it only has relevance for the tribulation. I think it’s more than that.
As I said earlier, Babylon is all the societies, cultures, values, and systems that oppose God throughout history. No matter their outward form, they have the same origin—Satan. This evil empire’s aim is to be a stealthy narcotic, dulling our senses, distracting us from the Gospel light with … whatever, all while disguising its presence. This is why the image of the high-class prostitute is so apt—Babylon is seduction to idolatry,1 in any form. It entices us to give ourselves to something other than God.
Of course, this “dominion of darkness” (Col 1:13) will take final form as a nation state in the last days, but it still exists here and now as a nefarious shadow behind the curtain. Before it assumes legal and political shape later, it exists now as influence, as values, as worldviews, as wicked ethics, as degenerate cultures in various local contexts. Think of it as a sinister “e pluribus unum,” in that “out of many” there is really “one” malevolent force—Satan.
Jesus’ kingdom is also in an “already/not yet” state, and it will also take legal and political shape once He returns and topples Babylon (Rev 19). It, too, exists for the moment as subversive and countercultural influence, values, worldviews, and cultures. Ideally, these “cultures” are not those of nation states, but the particular, authentic expressions of the true Jesus communities within those countries. “Out of the many” that is the global church there is “one” prime mover—the Lord Jesus Christ.
Both kingdoms are “already, but not yet” in this “field” that is the world, which means the countries where we live are simply the individual battlespaces of a global conflict. Cultures, values, worldviews, and influence ebbs and flows from one side to the other as local and regional actions in a much larger war.
This means “Babylon” is the USA. It’s China. It’s Ukraine. It’s Russia. It’s every part of this world, which the Apostle Paul says is under the sway of “the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient,” (Eph 2:2). But, these same places are also “the kingdom of God” in the form of individual Jesus communities—the “wheat” and the “weeds” inhabit the same battlespace at the same time. To borrow a cliché from Vietnam, it’s “hearts and minds” that each kingdom is after, because that’s what drives our actions (cp. Prov 4:23; Lk 6:45).
So, I say again—God’s kingdom is completely distinct from any country on this earth. This is what Jesus meant when He said this to Pilate:
My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place (John 18:36).
He didn’t simply mean “I ain’t from here!” or “my kingdom is located in heaven, not on earth.” The kingdom actually will be here (Rev 21-22)—Belinda Carlisle was right about heaven being a place on earth. What Jesus meant is something like “my kingdom is totally different than anything here.” It’s from another sphere, another realm, “from another place.” It’s a different thing (cp. Jn 8:23).2 It’s a kingdom predicated on His loving sacrifice which prompts our loving allegiance and obedience (Deut 6:5; Mk 12:28-32). If Jesus’ kingdom had merely been from this sphere, concerned with borders, power, and politics, His disciples would have fought to prevent His capture.
But it isn’t, so they didn’t.
This means whenever Christians conflate kingdom values with nationalist interests3 as if they were the same thing, they’re making a terrible mistake. They are not the same thing—not even close. God’s kingdom is distinct from every nation state.
We’ll continue to build on this theme with principle no. 3, next week.
Notes
1 “… any form of worship or religious practice presented or interpreted by the writer or speaker as equivalent to this; the worship of a false god,” (“idolatry,” noun, no. 1a, OED Online. March 2023. Oxford University Press. https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/91099?redirectedFrom=idolatry (accessed April 29, 2023)).
2 The preposition in ἡ βασιλεία ἡ ἐμὴ οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου seems to express derivation. For commentary, see (1) Leon Morris, The Gospel According to John, in NICNT (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1971), pp. 769-770; (2) C.K. Barrett, The Gospel According to St. John (London: SPCK, 1960), p. 447; (3) Alvah Hovey, Commentary on the Gospel of John, in American Commentary (Philadelphia: American Baptist Publication Society, 1885), p. 366.
3 “Advocacy of or support for the interests of one’s own nation, esp. to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations,” (s.v. “nationalism,” noun, no. 1a, OED Online. March 2023. Oxford University Press. https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/125289?redirectedFrom=nationalism (accessed April 29, 2023)).
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Tyler Robbins is a bi-vocational pastor at Sleater Kinney Road Baptist Church, in Olympia WA. He also works in State government. He blogs as the Eccentric Fundamentalist.
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TylerR wrote: … not even Barbados.
But… I was just about to join the Barbados Christian Nationalist Association…
About Babylon
TylerR wrote: Some interpreters see Babylon only as a geo-political foe which will rise in the last days—it only has relevance for the tribulation. I think it’s more than that.
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TylerR wrote: As I said earlier, Babylon is all the societies, cultures, values, and systems that oppose God throughout history. No matter their outward form
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TylerR wrote: Of course, this “dominion of darkness” (Col 1:13) will take final form as a nation state in the last days
Agree so far. I think a last days nation-state “Babylon” fulfilling Revelation is likely but that Babylon is present in various ways now—as it has been since the original Babylon—and before that in the pre-flood nations.
TylerR wrote: This means “Babylon” is the USA. It’s China. It’s Ukraine. It’s Russia. It’s every part of this world, which the Apostle Paul says is under the sway of “the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient,” …
I would not put it quite this way. I see the two kingdoms as being more strongly parallel in this era. So just as USA, Canada, Barbados are not the Kingdom of God, they are also not Babylon. But there are varying “amounts”/expressions of both kingdoms present in all of them. This is why Paul could say of Rome that they were “God’s ministers” (Rom 13) but the Psalms could say “the Kings of the earth … take counsel together, against the LORD and against his Anointed” (ESV, Psalm 2:2), and John reveals “the kingom of the cosmos” falling to “the kingdom of our Lord” (Rev 11.15).
So I would say there is Babylon and Jerusalem mixed in varying degrees in what we call nations. But I hasten to add they do not align with the Right and the Left, because if we look through a biblical lens we see plenty of Babylon all across the political spectrum, and bits of Jerusalem in surprising places as well.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
I think I go on to say what you say towards the end of this article, or the next.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
Thanks. I probably read that part a bit too literally.
So when is your book on this coming out?
I was reminded that some years ago I read, and wrote several critical review articles on, Carl Trueman’s Republocrat. At the time, I thought he was overlooking authentic political conservatism in his analysis… so he had the Left and the worst of the Right, but not the real deal.
But his overall thesis was that there is really not a lot of Christain alignment with American politics left or right. … and I think I would be much more appreciative of that now if I did a re-read. And now the “worst of the Right” seems like all there is a good bit of the time. But even the best of the Right is humans doing what humans do, so… not New Jerusalem.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
No book; just this article which is about 10,000 words. I don’t know enough about political philosophy or political theology to tackle the subject much more than I have here. My sympathies (and, in my opinion, the Scriptures) are with the Baptist and Anabaptist heritages on this issue.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
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