Russell Moore: 'If I were a member of Congress, I would vote to impeach' President Trump
“ ‘This is not about politics. This is about our country, about the rule of law and about the sanctity of human life,’ Moore, president of the Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, wrote in a Jan. 11 op-ed posted on his website.” - CPost
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One of the very significant principles of Mosaic law is that we are to have one law for the native born and foreigner alike, and we are to have one law for the rich and poor. Even “diverse weights and measures” in trade were eschewed. In the New Testament, think of the woman caught in adultery—a key question that we would answer is “if she was caught in the act, where was the man?” Let’s not be like the Pharisees here.
Applied here, that does mean it is a Christian duty to stand against the diverse standards of judgment that are currently being used by the left. Along these lines, it is, legally speaking, a very real defense in a criminal trial if the law isn’t being applied consistently. That’s why it was such a big deal when Jim Comey let Hilliary off despite an open and shut case of mishandling classified information and government documents; it means that anyone accused of the same in the future (Snowden, Assange) can point to the refusal to even convene a grand jury and say “if it’s no big deal for Hilliary, why is it a big deal for me?”
The ugly reality is that Pelosi once again did not even give Trump the courtesy of any semblance of a trial, even of the kangaroo court variety, and yes, Biblical law does require this, cross examination, and the like. The reason is what I’ve mentioned above; by looking the other way as leftist rioters destroyed neighborhoods while killing and injuring people, the left has thousands of lives worth of blood on their hands, and they don’t want that in the news.
Yes, it’s a good thing if there is a degree of justice administered to Trump for his role here. However, I would argue that the much bigger issue is that the Democrats are trying to do so with what can only charitably be called a kangaroo court, and perhaps more accurately might be called, per Justice Thomas, a “high tech lynching.”
Moreover, the irony here is that in running a “high tech lynching”, the Democrats are making future events like this far more likely. As Frederick Douglass and a bunch of others have noted, those denied recourse at the soap box, ballot box, and jury box tend to seek it, metaphorically or literally speaking, in the cartridge box. It is, again, actions like these that got the mob ready to storm the Capitol. Procedures and consistency matter.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
Bert’s last sentence about Justice Thomas: If anyone has read Justice Thomas’ autobiography, you know what he thinks of Joe Biden.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
[Bert Perry]This is so very well said, and deserves a second reading.One of the very significant principles of Mosaic law is that we are to have one law for the native born and foreigner alike, and we are to have one law for the rich and poor. Even “diverse weights and measures” in trade were eschewed. In the New Testament, think of the woman caught in adultery—a key question that we would answer is “if she was caught in the act, where was the man?” Let’s not be like the Pharisees here.
Applied here, that does mean it is a Christian duty to stand against the diverse standards of judgment that are currently being used by the left. Along these lines, it is, legally speaking, a very real defense in a criminal trial if the law isn’t being applied consistently. That’s why it was such a big deal when Jim Comey let Hilliary off despite an open and shut case of mishandling classified information and government documents; it means that anyone accused of the same in the future (Snowden, Assange) can point to the refusal to even convene a grand jury and say “if it’s no big deal for Hilliary, why is it a big deal for me?”
The ugly reality is that Pelosi once again did not even give Trump the courtesy of any semblance of a trial, even of the kangaroo court variety, and yes, Biblical law does require this, cross examination, and the like. The reason is what I’ve mentioned above; by looking the other way as leftist rioters destroyed neighborhoods while killing and injuring people, the left has thousands of lives worth of blood on their hands, and they don’t want that in the news.
Yes, it’s a good thing if there is a degree of justice administered to Trump for his role here. However, I would argue that the much bigger issue is that the Democrats are trying to do so with what can only charitably be called a kangaroo court, and perhaps more accurately might be called, per Justice Thomas, a “high tech lynching.”
Moreover, the irony here is that in running a “high tech lynching”, the Democrats are making future events like this far more likely. As Frederick Douglass and a bunch of others have noted, those denied recourse at the soap box, ballot box, and jury box tend to seek it, metaphorically or literally speaking, in the cartridge box. It is, again, actions like these that got the mob ready to storm the Capitol. Procedures and consistency matter.
[WallyMorris]THoward: One difficulty is who decides what is a “terrible candidate” and by what standard? If you aren’t careful, you will eliminate every candidate from each political party and end up not voting for anyone ever. I can find major problems with each candidate from each political party since George Washington. Even Washington was strongly disliked at certain points in his two administrations.
Wally, I’ve never said the candidate needs to be a Christian or be “above reproach” in the Scriptural sense… but, the candidate needs to, at the very least, be a decent, respectable person. Donald Trump is the antithesis of this. His narcissism and lack of character was well known long before he ran for office. Yet, the majority of Christians supported / voted for him and continued to justify his poor behavior throughout his presidency. Even now, some Christians are trying to minimize his bad behavior and shift attention away from it by saying, “but, the democrats did x…” Enough already.
I don’t disagree with you about aspects of Trump’s character. But you still have to specifically define and describe in detail what constitutes a “decent, respectable person”. Since no one displays these characteristics consistently, then you have to decide how much inconsistency you are willing to tolerate. Then you have to work through the inevitable situation of someone who has characteristics of a “decent, respectable person” and characteristics which are not. For example, even people who disagree strongly with Biden’s political positions (Brit Hume, for example) say that Biden is a likable person, loyal to friends, loves his family very much. So I don’t completely disagree with everything you state in your posts, but what you want to see happen is much more difficult to apply in real life politics.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
Enough already of the double standard used to judge similar situations. Enough already of pronouncing Donald Trump unfit for office, but failing to apply similar sanctions to other candidates. Enough already of condemning the recent and reprehensible Capitol riot, but dismissing a multitude of equally destructive riots as inadmissible since only the riot related to Trump may be discussed at this time. Enough already of pronouncing godly, serious minded Christians evil for voting for Trump as an endeavor to restrain wickedness, but pronouncing righteous those who either directly or indirectly enabled Biden and the Democratic Left to control the reins of Federal Government, thereby enabling an era of wickedness greater than all that has gone before.
Enough already of the enoughs already. There are too many to list.
G. N. Barkman
Whether or not Anti-Trumpism is a cult or not, it does seem to be a new religion. It has a new set of standards that do not line up with the rule of law or the scriptures. It rejects the testimony of two or three witnesses if those witnesses support a premise that Trump is promoting. It rejects equal justice under the law if others are held to the same standards Trump is held to. It rejects the idea that thou shalt not bear false witness if the truth would help Trump.
Trump worship is idolatry and must be rejected, but there is another religion we must also reject. We must reject the religion of Anti-Trumpism that has made inroads into SI. Many have been able to use scripture in a lawful manner to confront the sins of Trump and that is what Christians should do. Others have been so consumed with Anti-Trumpism, that they have rejected Biblical truth. What scares me is that some of them are leaders in churches. How will they be able to put aside bias in other areas of their ministry if there is ever a dispute in their congregations? My hope is that some would take a sabbatical for a time of council, prayer, and reflection. Not that SI is the decider of truth, but when most of the people here are concerned about where you are going, it is a good idea to at least consider their points and ask yourself if you have gone a bit overboard. Isn’t that what iron sharpening iron and the wounds of a friend are all about?
Again, I am not suggesting Trump should not be criticized. He should and has been. It is not criticism of Trump that has gotten the most pushback on SI, it has been the unbiblical responses. I am thankful that most here have been willing to look at these things Biblically.
This is a most remarkable statement from JD Miller:
We must reject the religion of Anti-Trumpism that has made inroads into SI. Many have been able to use scripture in a lawful manner to confront the sins of Trump and that is what Christians should do. Others have been so consumed with Anti-Trumpism, that they have rejected Biblical truth. What scares me is that some of them are leaders in churches. How will they be able to put aside bias in other areas of their ministry if there is ever a dispute in their congregations? My hope is that some would take a sabbatical for a time of council, prayer, and reflection
My pastoral prayer from this past Sunday. The precis:
As of January 2021, some Christians have unwittingly subscribed to an alternate reality which involves some or all of the following strands of a particularly pestilential and sinful cord: (1) conspiracy theories about elections, (2) hero worship of GOP political figures, (3) demonization of those with opposing political views, and, in some unfortunate cases, (4) an internet theory which believes the world is run by a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles who are plotting against President Trump while operating a global child sex-trafficking ring (the Q-Anon conspiracy; see more here: https://nyti.ms/3byU11B). Each of these are falsehoods. Some of them fueled the mobs at the U.S. Capitol last week.
This past Sunday, we prayed for Christians to examine whether they need to “untangle” their patriotism (so called) from their allegiance to Christ and His coming kingdom.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
Joeb: Provide documentation for your last post.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
[WallyMorris]Joeb: Provide documentation for your last post.
Wally, if you put this into google search you’ll get some hits: capitol riot bitcoin $500,000
I’m not making any claim or statement on the truth of these search results, just saying that you’ll get a bunch of hits if you put this into your search engine.
Thanks for the info, Ken. What is interesting is that Joeb goes hyperbolic on an unproven assumption. I could just as easily make assumptions with many different conspiracy scenarios involving a wide variety on the political spectrum. Jeob seems almost gleeful about the possibilities. Let the FBI do its work and we’ll see.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
[WallyMorris]Thanks for the info, Ken. What is interesting is that Joeb goes hyperbolic on an unproven assumption. I could just as easily make assumptions with many different conspiracy scenarios involving a wide variety on the political spectrum. Jeob seems almost gleeful about the possibilities. Let the FBI do its work and we’ll see.
Yes, I think in the coming months there will be a lot more substantiated information from the FBI and other law enforcement regarding the inner workings of what happened at the Capitol. I only mentioned the search results since I’ve been into cryptocurrency for the last few years, and this came across my feed. It actually didn’t even interest me enough to read the articles, but I suspect this is what Joeb is referring to.
Ken: Cryptocurrency - interesting. I have never involved myself with that form of currency. Will be interesting to see what the gov’ts do about cryptocurrencies if these articles are true. I personally involve myself with gold, silver, and, for investment purposes, uranium.
Wally Morris
Huntington, IN
Haven’t found a clear allegation per what Joe mentions, but if there is something to that, that would change what I wrote a couple of days back a lot.
That noted, has anyone else noted how well the FBI seems to be doing at arresting people when they’re motivated to do so? Seems to me that it would have been nice if they’d been so motivated during the 2018 Kavanaugh riots, or during other riots over the past 20 years where federal buildings and laws were at issue. We might have a much more peaceful society if the FBI and DOJ lifers thought that it was as important to arrest suspected Democratic rioters as they think today it is to arrest Republican rioters.
Just sayin’.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
Let me get this straight- so it is okay for us to get all upset with Trump over some unsubstantiated conspiracy theory, but we are not allowed to get upset over allegations of voter fraud that are backed up by multiple witnesses? Further state election committees are asking for more information about the vote and are being blocked, but we are just supposed to ignore that and say that anyone who wants more answers is responsible for the rioting?
I am not saying the rioting was right and I am not saying that all the fraud allegations are right. I am saying that the blatant bias is not helping to heal our nation.
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