I Learned it from Fundamentalists
What follows should not be seen as any kind of “answer” to the essay by Dr. Kevin Bauder we posted here last week (what minor points I differed with him on are already expressed in the comments there).
But it is a reaction of sorts.
Many have been announcing the death of the “Fundamentalist Movement” for some time. And these death knells are coming increasingly from those still inside whatever Fundamentalism now is. I don’t care to argue the question of the movement’s deceased status one way or the other here. But even contemplating its passing stirs me, because Fundamentalism (both the “movement” and the “idea”) has been a source of great blessing to me as God has used it my life.
1. Fundamentalism taught me expository preaching.
From early childhood, I was exposed to a broad spectrum of Fundamentalist preaching. At school, I heard the preaching of passionate evangelists who knew how to penetrate the apathy of hardened Christian school kids’ hearts and move us to walk aisles by the dozens. Sometimes (only God knows how often) the Holy Spirit was at work in these efforts as well and produced His fruit in lives.
But being “in” Fundamentalism also exposed me to well trained pastors who—even when I was too young to understand—began training my “preaching ear” in the cadences of exposition. At age five I couldn’t have told you what the difference was, but I sensed that my pastor was doing something different in the pulpit from what many of the visiting evangelists were doing. As I grew older, the frequent sound of congregants turning pages in their Bibles became one noticeable difference. The impulse to bring an ink pen and mark up my Bible became another—as when “Pastor Aseltine” (to me, his first name will always “Pastor”) walked us through Ephesians, verse by verse.
Later, when our Fundamental Christian high school began requiring us all to take notes during all the sermons we heard in chapel and in our churches, the differences between one style of preaching and the other became even more pronounced. No one told me then that the most persuasive and enduringly powerful preaching I was hearing—and had grown to love—was called “exposition” or “expository preaching.” The Fundamentalist college I attended next taught me that this kind of preaching had a name as well as a long and glorious tradition.
Could a young man learn expository preaching outside of Fundamentalism at the time? Absolutely. But I learned it from Fundamentalists.
2. Fundamentalism taught me to appreciate the original languages.
Within “the movement” as a youth, I did not often hear encouragement to use other translations of the Bible. All of the preachers I heard used the KJV as their English text. But we often heard references to Greek and Hebrew terms and grammatical concepts. Words like parakletos, agape, phileo, pneuma and ecclesia were familiar. The idea of a Greek tense being a factor in the interpretation of a verse was something I discovered under the tutelage of Fundamentalists.
And I’m pretty sure that the whole concept of using another translation as a Bible study tool came from the same expositional preachers who served as my pastors in those days. I acquired my first copy of a “modern translation” from a Fundamentalist bookstore (I did have to dig a little to find it).
Could I have discovered the value of digging down to the original languages from non-Fundamentalist evangelicals? Definitely. But as it turns out, I learned it from Fundamentalists.
3. Fundamentalists taught me to be mindful of doctrine.
I can still hear one of my elementary school Bible teachers raving (so it seemed at the time) that “the Bible is not a book of cunningly devised fables, but was given by inspiration of God!!!” My parents were stunned once to see me doing an imitation of this teacher, complete with bulging eyes, bellowing voice, and shaking fist. I had absolutely no idea what any of those words meant.
I wouldn’t recommend this method of indoctrination to anyone, but in my own case it was an important beginning. What I learned was that there were really big ideas with really big words that were of extreme importance to our faith—and that I should get used to wrestling with heavy concepts in my Christian life.
I learned about propitiation, reconciliation, adoption, sanctification, illumination and a host of other “tions”—all from Fundamentalists.
So when I went to college, long complicated outlines of Bible doctrines were not all that new to me. Nor was I surprised—when I went to seminary—to encounter even longer and still more complicated outlines of Bible doctrines. I would have been shocked if it were otherwise.
The attitude that doctrine is extremely important and that believers should expect to put their thinking caps on and wade through it somewhat regularly was an attitude I caught from Fundamentalists.
4. Fundamentalists taught me critical thinking.
The lessons in critical thinking may have been accidental from the point of view of those involved. Their goal was not to teach critical thinking but to argue from Scripture that “Idea A, which you have heard, is not the best way to understand the Scriptures or the issues involved.” The thing is, I had just heard a really compelling case for Idea A in chapel the day before, or in my home, or in a book that was required reading. And often an Idea B that one teacher or pastor held up as a better way to understand the Bible was dismantled pretty effectively some time later by someone making a case for Idea C.
Some might say this kind of conflicting teaching is recipe for confusion, and for some it seems to have turned out that way. But most of the competing views I was hearing on one issue or another were delivered thoughtfully, with serious attention to the relevant Scriptures and without much malice toward those who saw the issues differently.
By behaving this way, the Fundamentalists in my life taught me to expect godly men to disagree and to expect that I would have to do some sorting out of things on my own. They also, in every case, pointed to Scripture as their authority (though with widely varying credibility on that point). The effect was to encourage me not to be critical, but to listen critically and look for the answers in the Book.
5. Fundamentalists taught me to read and write.
The seemingly rules-obsessed, rigidly disciplinarian elementary school teachers at John R. Rice Baptist Academy had us diagramming long, complex sentences in fourth grade. Somehow, they had most of us loving it. I can remember rubbing my hands together with glee at the prospect of digging into another sentence that was longer and more complicated than any I’d diagrammed before. If memory serves, they had given us extremely large pieces of paper so we could fit the whole thing on one sheet.
The same school utterly failed to teach me math! But I thank God for the foundation in readin’ and writin’. These were Fundamentalists who understood well the value of the written word and the importance writing skills would have in our futures. That attitude continued throughout my education.
In high school and college, Fundamentalists encouraged me to read broadly. In seminary, Fundamentalists taught me to read deeply.
I still stink as a reader. But I owe it to Fundamentalists that I’m even aware of that!
6. Fundamentalists taught me the gospel.
Best of all, Fundamentalists taught me the pure, biblical gospel of grace through faith in Jesus Christ. They taught it early, and often, and clearly. Yes, there were some silly songs, some inept illustrations, some less-than-ideal wording—all that. The fact remains that I learned the true gospel, and learned it well, from Fundamentalists.
So, to me, they still have beautiful feet (Rom. 10:15).
Fundamentalists gave me the gospel in its simplicity, but also later taught me its complexity. Fundamentalists taught me what total depravity meant, what imputation meant, what regeneration meant, even what election meant.
7. Fundamentalists taught me to hate legalism.
Some believe I am a “legalist.” After all, I believe rules are very helpful things and that they are often even instrumental in sanctification. But I learned from Fundamentalists that you can keep all the rules and not love God—that you can look the look, and say the words, and have no personal convictions. Fundamentalist preaching taught me to despise the Pharisees with their proud looks and self-righteousness.
Some might consider it a small miracle, but all the same, the people who taught me that we must glorify God in all we do, believe and desire were Fundamentalists.
Conclusion
I don’t know what all this “goes to show,” if anything. I don’t know how common my experience in Fundamentalism is. It feels completely ordinary and “normal” to me. What I do know is that though I could have learned all these things from Conservative Evangelicals (and a few from not-so-conservative ones), I didn’t. In my life, this is not evangelicalism’s legacy; it’s Fundamentalism’s legacy.
Aaron Blumer, SI’s site publisher, is a native of lower Michigan and a graduate of Bob Jones University (Greenville, SC) and Central Baptist Theological Seminary (Plymouth, MN). He, his wife, and their two children live in a small town in western Wisconsin, where he has pastored Grace Baptist Church (Boyceville, WI) since 2000. Prior to serving as a pastor, Aaron taught school in Stone Mountain, Georgia, and served in customer service and technical support for Unisys Corporation (Eagan, MN). He enjoys science fiction, music, and dabbling in software development.
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I also grew up in a more balanced fundamentalism, with a lot of GARB influence (but not entirely). I saw the other side, but was most influenced by the expository preaching, gospel preaching types. I was exposed to the other, but not not until I was a teenager and thought most of their ‘oddities’ to be just that—strange.
It was nice to read something positive about fundamentalism for a change.
I think Aaron’s article is important because it at least shows us that within Fundamentalism, a movement some now think is totally inferior to conservative evangelicalism as a whole, really does contain some good and balanced ministries. For those enamored with the Conservative Evangelicals that are glowing in the limelight, you might not find the same quality or even the same perspective in many of the main-line CE churches.
A big reason for the perception is that the seminaries that produced several of the men who were my pastors growing up are shrinking and struggling to stay afloat. So if you look at these as “movement institutions,” you get the feeling that the worst sort of fundamentalism is on the upswing and the better elements are dwindling away.
That may be true. I wouldn’t really know. Seems like some of the better fundamentalist seminaries are doing pretty well… and some of the ones I might think of not the “best” seem to be improving what they do and how they do it. (I don’t want to name these, because I’m describing my impressions here and the facts behind my impressions are few and many are second hand).
Anyway… in a movement/former movement like this one—highly decentralized—it’s really hard to get a comprehensive, factual handle on trends.
(I would certainly expect guys like Bauder and Doran to have a much better idea of what’s happening than I do)
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
Although I have been a member of fundamentalist Baptist churches for 40 years (with the exception of 3 years when I pastored a fundamentalist Bible Church), I don’t see myself as strictly a product of fundamentalism!
With regards to Aaron’s points I comment on each
- John MacArthur and James Montgomery Boice taught me expository preaching. I actually regard MacArthur as a fundamentalist
- John MacArthur taught me to appreciate the original languages. Him and my seminary training at Grand Rapids (which most would not regard as fundamentalist)
- Evangelicals and Fundamentalists taught me to be mindful of doctrine. I found some fundamentalists (Hyles, Sword of the the Lord, etc) to be so kooky that I shunned them! I tasted at their well and found it wanting
- I actually did critical thinking before I was saved! Some fundamentalists wanted me to “check my brain at the door”
- I knew how to read and write long before I ever knew what a fundamentalist was.
- Fundamentalists and evangelicals taught me the gospel. I appreciate both!
- I can’t say that fundamentalism taught me to hate legalism. Frankly I think that rules based sanctification is part and partial with major parts of fundamentalism. The doctrines of grace clarified the process of sanctification. I wish I could say I learned the doctrines of grace in fundamentalism, but my experiences in fundamentalism is that it (generally) has been hostile to the doctrines of grace.
I don’t think anyone is simply a product of fundamentalism! I look at my library and most of the books that have instructed me were written by C/E’s
The fundamentalism I appreciate would be:- The GARBC
- Faith Baptist Bible College and Seminary (eg the Faith Pulpit)
- Detroit Baptist (their journal, Doran, and the several professors who blog)
- My church (4th Baptist)
- Central Seminary. I find some of Bauder’s “Nick of Times” very helpful
- The militant for militancy’s sake
- The name calling
- The guilt by association
- The labeling without real definition
- The bullying and the pomposity
- The defensiveness about questions
- The worldly utilitarian methodologies
- The Frank Garlock theorem of music (which is addressed here: http://www.philchristensen.com/subpage30.html)
Conservative Evangelicals seem to be less obsessed with labels!
Doran’s comment here http://gloryandgrace.dbts.edu/?p=280 resonated with me
… work with the guys you do agree with.AND
Restore the local assembly to the center where God intended it to be. When your local assembly engages in Great Commission work outside its walls, find some folks you agree with and get busy doing it. Unity is built on agreement about the truth, not by politics. Few things are as political as trying to preserve movements once they have fragmented theologically.
As far as I’m concerned, you can have the movements. I want friends and ministry partners who agree on what the Bible teaches about itself, the gospel, the nature and mission of the church, and separation
- The Bob Jones rules prohibiting interracial dating and marriage. How it touched me: The 2 Pastors of my first fundamentalist church were BJU grads. “blacks are different” was taught and it was wrong. When I questioned my Pastor he was very defensive. It did not make sense to me in the early 70s. I applaud Steven Jones for repudiating the earlier position.
- The plagiarism of David Otis Fuller and “Which Bible?”. Documented here http://www.pilgrimpublications.com/unlearnd.htm. How it touched me: David Otis Fuller was my neighbor while I attended seminary school. I admired the man and bought into the error of KVJOnlism (for a while)
- The Bob Jones - John MacArthur blood of Christ controversy (detailed here: http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/blood.htm). How it touched me: I Pastored a church with some very fine BJU grads. They split with me over this.
- The Frank Garlock music theorum: (detailed here: http://www.philchristensen.com/subpage30.html). How it touched me. It has been corrosive and has split many churches!
- On race. Answered by AIG “One Blood”
- On KJVOnlism
- Lied about John MacArthur - never retracted or recanted!
- Illogical on music
Charlie: Look up Rodney J. Decker over at BBS in Clark’s Summit. His work is cutting edge.
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It’s just that almost everything that’s great about the CE’s, I saw in particular fundamentalists before I really even knew about any CEs. So I guess the point is not that these things are unique to fundies, but that they are certianly not unique to CEs. There are really only a couple of areas in which they excel beyond the best within fundamentalism: they write alot of great books and they’ve been in a position to fight some really important battles (in recent times… Open Theism, Emerging Church, Evangelicals and Catholics Together, etc.) that fundamentalists’ position away from those particular front lines prevented them from engaging in as directly.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
I grew up in a GARBC church and attended Faith in Ankeny, IA. There seems to be agreement that this “stripe” (as Greg Long put it) is more positive than other stripes.
However…I have to say I saw a great amount of legalism even there…especially in the areas of music and dress. This has been a big source of frustration to me…and your article was a good reminder to appreciate the wonderful things I have learned.
I think Jim summed it up well with his post. Since I am MUCH younger than he is, I don’t recall some of these areas first hand…but I think I read about them in a history book someplace :)
[Jim Peet] Each of these touched me in one way or anotherIn each case that one element of Fundamentalism was WRONG
- The Bob Jones rules prohibiting interracial dating and marriage. How it touched me: The 2 Pastors of my first fundamentalist church were BJU grads. “blacks are different” was taught and it was wrong. When I questioned my Pastor he was very defensive. It did not make sense to me in the early 70s. I applaud Steven Jones for repudiating the earlier position.
- The plagiarism of David Otis Fuller and “Which Bible?”. Documented here http://www.pilgrimpublications.com/unlearnd.htm. How it touched me: David Otis Fuller was my neighbor while I attended seminary school. I admired the man and bought into the error of KVJOnlism (for a while)
- The Bob Jones - John MacArthur blood of Christ controversy (detailed here: http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/blood.htm). How it touched me: I Pastored a church with some very fine BJU grads. They split with me over this.
- The Frank Garlock music theorum: (detailed here: http://www.philchristensen.com/subpage30.html). How it touched me. It has been corrosive and has split many churches!
- On race. Answered by AIG “One Blood”
- On KJVOnlism
- Lied about John MacArthur - never retracted or recanted!
- Illogical on music
Senior Pastor, Harvest Bible Chapel, Fort Wayne, IN
[Jamie Hart] I too appreciated the article.I too grew up in the same way that Jamie and Greg did.(GARB church, GARBC summer camp, GARBC VBS, GARBC Potfaiths - because we don’t believe in luck, GARBC Talents for Christ, GARBC youth rallies). I did not go to Faith, but many of my family have attended and graduated from there including my father. I completely understand individual’s frustration with “fundamentalism” and even in the GARBC. I saw much of the same that Jamie mentioned above. I have been telling people for many years that, while I would not want to go back to the philosophy and practive of my youth, I do appreciate it for the things that Aaron articulated above. (If only I knew to write my article years earlier and post it.)
I grew up in a GARBC church and attended Faith in Ankeny, IA. There seems to be agreement that this “stripe” (as Greg Long put it) is more positive than other stripes.
However…I have to say I saw a great amount of legalism even there…especially in the areas of music and dress. This has been a big source of frustration to me…and your article was a good reminder to appreciate the wonderful things I have learned.
My frustration lies in the balance of those things that were learned from that, which are primarily TRUTH driven concepts and those ideas which are popular today, which are primarily GRACE driven concepts. (***That is just what I see, I do not have any hard and fast data). Somehow, we have got to swing the TRUTH and GRACE pendulum back to the middle and realize that Jesus came to earth full of BOTH grace and truth. I thought that Randy Alcorn’s book “The Grace and Truth Paradox” did a great job of pointing out that need.
I am not really sure if I stayed on topic there, but I did appreciate the article and it does articulate what I believe many have probably felt for some time.
[Jamie Hart] I grew up in a GARBC church and attended Faith in Ankeny, IA. There seems to be agreement that this “stripe” (as Greg Long put it) is more positive than other stripes.Jamie,
However…I have to say I saw a great amount of legalism even there…especially in the areas of music and dress. This has been a big source of frustration to me…and your article was a good reminder to appreciate the wonderful things I have learned.
Being a Faith sem grad, I understand what you are saying, but (and please do not be offended by this) it makes me smile inside.
I have seen things in fundamentalism which would make your hair stand on end — perhaps you have too. I am not sure I saw an incident at Faith that I would put in that category — with the possible exception of one or two guest chapel speakers I heard over the course of five years.
Shortly before I left to go to Faith I even received a stern warning from a “movement fundamentalist” brother. Years later a deacon told me he was not sure Faith was a Christian school anymore because of hair length, blue jeans, or some other such nonsense.
I guess legalism is in the eye of the beholder. I know some people in contemporary churches who would be horrified at wearing a sportcoat and tie on Sunday morning or having someone think less of them because it is their practice to wear shorts to play in the church band.
I can say with all honesty that, in God’s providence, FBTS is the reason I am still a fundamentalist. If it were not for my experience there, the likelihood is I would have given up on “movement fundamentalism” a long time ago, especially if I had gone to some other type of seminary.
At Faith I learned about historic fundamentalism in an atmosphere where the Bible, theology and a classical theological education always trumped the fundamentalist movement, except as the intersection with it proved helpful. I also learned about the need for levels of separation/cooperation and saw the concept practiced with wisdom and balance.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
[Paul J. Scharf]I guess I should clarify that statement better, Paul. The legalism that has frustrated me has been seen more in the churches…though was, to some degree, present at faith as well. I want to say that I too LOVED my time at Faith. The spirit of the school was one of humility, servanthood, and a genuine love for God and His Word. What I learned at Faith has given me an incredibly firm foundation of solid doctrine to stand on…and like you, I am who I am due to my time at Faith. I greatly appreciated what I learned from Dr. Myron, Dr. Kober, Dr. Walton, Dr. Hartog(s), Dr. Bob, Mr. Dannenberg…and Dean Crown (godly and loving man!!)…and the list could go on. Not only professors but, in some cases, friends…at least they made me feel that way! (Greg Long will tell you that our ladies treated us to a Sadie Hawkins dinner at Dr. Walton’s house…just don’t ask him about the blind-folded hand-holding incident—don’t worry Greg…I haven’t told anybody about it…it’s still our secret).[Jamie Hart] I grew up in a GARBC church and attended Faith in Ankeny, IA. There seems to be agreement that this “stripe” (as Greg Long put it) is more positive than other stripes.Jamie,
However…I have to say I saw a great amount of legalism even there…especially in the areas of music and dress. This has been a big source of frustration to me…and your article was a good reminder to appreciate the wonderful things I have learned.
Being a Faith sem grad, I understand what you are saying, but (and please do not be offended by this) it makes me smile inside.
I have seen things in fundamentalism which would make your hair stand on end — perhaps you have too. I am not sure I saw an incident at Faith that I would put in that category — with the possible exception of one or two guest chapel speakers I heard over the course of five years.
Shortly before I left to go to Faith I even received a stern warning from a “movement fundamentalist” brother. Years later a deacon told me he was not sure Faith was a Christian school anymore because of hair length, blue jeans, or some other such nonsense.
I guess legalism is in the eye of the beholder. I know some people in contemporary churches who would be horrified at wearing a sportcoat and tie on Sunday morning or having someone think less of them because it is their practice to wear shorts to play in the church band.
I can say with all honesty that, in God’s providence, FBTS is the reason I am still a fundamentalist. If it were not for my experience there, the likelihood is I would have given up on “movement fundamentalism” a long time ago, especially if I had gone to some other type of seminary.
At Faith I learned about historic fundamentalism in an atmosphere where the Bible, theology and a classical theological education always trumped the fundamentalist movement, except as the intersection with it proved helpful. I also learned about the need for levels of separation/cooperation and saw the concept practiced with wisdom and balance.
By way of clarification, let me define my understanding of legalism. It’s teaching as doctrine the traditions of men…it’s holding a preference to the same level as doctrine, then binding others to your preference. At the college level at least the music class had a different…spirit to it. The professor (who will remain nameless, though he is no longer with the school) certainly didn’t leave much room for “wiggling.” Perhaps the stance of the school was “this is just how we see it” but the class was taught with a “there is no other way of seeing it” spirit. Also, I attended one of the local churches who took the issue to an extreme, IMO. I could give examples, but as I saw it…it was definitely extreme. Since many of the professors attended there, I took this as the stance of the school…again, I may be wrong about that.
Quite honestly, the dress code didn’t bother at all while I was there. I was fresh out of basic training and infantry school for the US Army…I felt pretty free (you mean I can PICK what color of pants I wear today!!!) It was the way I heard some pastors in local churches belittle those who dressed differently that frustrated me. I don’t believe the school ever taught “This is the only way to dress in church”…as I remember their stance was “this makes better students.”
Anyway, I appreciate what you said and agree, for the most part. My overwhelming memories are very fond (except when Greg Long put hamburger in my desert and I ate half of it before I realized it…what a jerk…) :)
Senior Pastor, Harvest Bible Chapel, Fort Wayne, IN
[Jamie Hart] Anyway, I appreciate what you said and agree, for the most part. My overwhelming memories are very fond (except when Greg Long put hamburger in my desert and I ate half of it before I realized it…what a jerk…) :)You obviously learned how to forgive from Fundamentalists… ;)
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
And oh, the stories we could tell about Jamie.
Anyway, I agree with what both Jamie and Paul are saying.
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
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