Against "Secondary Separation"

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In 1974, the evangelist John R. Rice wrote a book on separation entitled Come Out or Stay In. Most Baptist fundamentalists are familiar with Ernest Pickering’s book on the same subject, but few are aware that Rice contributed to the discussion. Fewer still are aware he took a dim view of “secondary separation.” In this excerpt,1 Rice states his position plainly:

There is a Bible doctrine of separation. There is not a Bible doctrine of secondary separation. What do we mean?

Define “secondary separation”

The Bible very clearly teaches that we should not give Christian recognition nor Christian fellowship to those who are “unbelievers,” the unconverted, but we should come out and be separate from them (2 Cor 6:14-18). The Christian should not walk in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stand in the way of sinners, not sit in the seat of the scornful (Psalm 1:1). He should “have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them,” (Eph 5:11). The Christian should not receive into his house (or pulpit or college or denominational program or even church membership) one who has forsaken the Bible doctrine of separation.

We are also told that sometimes the actions and attitudes of Christians can be so ungodly and wrong that we ought not associate with them. So in 1 Corinthians 5:12 the church at Corinth was commanded not to have fellowship with the nominal Christian if he be “ … a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.” Also, Christians who rail and make divisions and strife cannot well be given warm Christian fellowship, and thus have their sin condemned.

I say, there is the Bible doctrine of “separation.”

But what is called “secondary separation” means not only must the Christian be separated from liberals, modernists, unbelievers, but he is to separate from anybody who does not separate enough from unbelievers. Those who insist on secondary separation say that if a man leaves the denomination because of some modernists in the denomination, then he ought also separate and break all fellowship with others who do not leave the denomination. If a Christian should separate and not take part on a program with a modernist, they say, then one should not appear on the same program with anybody else who has sometimes had some fellowship with the modernists.

Now, if The Sword of the Lord took that viewpoint, it would mean that since there are modernists among Southern Baptists and I cannot support their program, then I ought not publish any sermons by good, Bible-believing men who are still in the Southern Baptist Convention and who, thus, in some sense, may be thought to either support or condone or excuse the denominational program. That we do not believe. Because we may not agree on some matter of affiliation is not a reason necessarily for breaking Christian fellowship.

How we practice scriptural separation

We think that this editor’s position on following Bible rules about separation has been consistent through long years. Years ago when I found that to support the denominational program among Southern Baptists would mean supporting some modernists and some false teaching, I left the Southern Baptist Convention. I was not turned out; as a matter of conviction, I left that which I could not conscientiously support.

I did not break fellowship with born-again Christians, godly, spiritual, good men, among Southern Baptists. I still have had revival campaigns in some Southern Baptist churches. I still used Southern Baptist preachers on Sword of the Lord conference programs. I had Dr. John L. Hill, editorial secretary of the Southern Baptist Sunday School Board, and Dr. R. G. Lee, then pastor of the Bellevue Baptist Church, Memphis, as judges on the Sword of the Lord panel of book club judges. I preached in a revival campaign with famous Southern Baptist singer B. B. McKinney leading the singing, and he and I had some sweet fellowship. He came to my new home and helped dedicate it by having a song and prayer and Scripture in every room.

In The Sword of the Lord I continue to publish sermons by L. R. Scarborough, B. H. Carroll, George W Truett, R. G. Lee, W. A. Criswell, E. J. Daniels, Jesse. M. Hendley, Herschel Ford, and others. I published sermons by Dr. W. B. Riley when he was still in the American Baptist Convention, and I published his departing message when he left the convention. I published sermons by Dr. Bob Shuler when he was pastor of Trinity Methodist Church in Los Angeles, and we published three books of his. These men were noble, godly men who believed the Bible and won souls.

I have felt that they were slow to come to the conclusion that they ought to come out and separate from denominational programs supported by modernists and largely controlled by modernists. I felt free to say so. But I counted these good Christian men as good Christian men and I loved them and said so. I had fellowship with them because we were together on the main things – the great essential fundamentals of the faith.

Through the years we have felt a clear duty to love born-again Christians, people who had a holy devotion to Christ and the Bible and the fundamentals of the Christian faith and who tried to win souls. So we published a sermon on Hell by Colonel Brengle of the Salvation Army and another by Dr. H. C. Morrison. Though we did not agree to their teaching of entire sanctification, we did believe what they preached in those messages.

We publish messages by Dr. James M. Gray, president of Moody Bible Institute, and Bishop Ryle of England because they were noble, good men of God. We did not publish and did not agree with some of their Episcopalian viewpoints.

We publish many sermons by Charles H. Spurgeon, great soul winner and mighty preacher, though we do not agree with part of his Calvinism. We have published sermons by Dr. Carl McIntire, though we do not agree on sprinkling babies.

Again, let us make our position clear. This editor came out of the Southern Baptist Convention, refusing to support the relatively small number of modernists then in the program, when Dr. Carl McIntire was still in the Northern Presbyterian Church, Dr Bob Jones, Sr., was still in the Methodist Church and Dr. W. B. Riley was still in the Northern Baptist Convention. We were pressing hard against the liberalism in Fuller Seminary and trying to save it for the fundamentals of the faith when Dr Woodbridge was active on the faculty and before he came out.

We made our open break with modernistic leaders and programs when it was a lonely, hard business and not convenient or popular. We helped fundamentalists and gave them a platform and helped them wherever we could. With Dr. H. A. Ironside and Dr. Bob Jones, Sr., we worked actively in the organization of the National Association of Evangelicals. I was on the International Commission of that group when the executive secretary made a strong attack on Dr. Carl McIntire and I immediately resigned. I would not be counted against a godly fundamentalist.

I think that well-informed people all know that my position has been consistent and my voice has been clear in standing against modernism and against association and support of modernists and in defense of fundamental doctrine and fundamental brethren. I have tried to practice Biblical separation.

But I do not find what is called “secondary separation” in the Bible. I did not believe that Dr. W. B. Riley, organizer of the World’s Fundamental Association and fighting consistently for the inspiration of the Bible and the fundamentals of the faith, was a crook one day because he was in the Northern Baptist Convention (now the American Baptist Convention) and that he was a saint the next day after he announced his withdrawal. I think he probably should have come out sooner, but he was a good Christian trying to do right. He loved the Lord and believed the Bible. He was my beloved brother.

On this matter, let me say again as I have said before, I have tried to follow two Scriptures:

I am a companion of them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts (Ps 119:63)

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations (Rom 14:1).

Notes

1 John R. Rice, Come Out or Stay In (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1974) 217 – 221.

Discussion

[Don Johnson]
John Rice Himes wrote:

There are others in the files, but these should show how the well was being poisoned in 1957 so that the break between Fundamentalism and New Evangelicalism was irrevocable. Call it separation, but the separation was just as strong on the New Evangelical side as on the Fundamentalist side. So whether or not JRR would have preached with BG after 1957 is only speculation.

Thanks for those quotes. It is interesting and a sad commentary. I’ve heard that Nelson Bell fed the flames of the battling in those days. Graham, as I recall from Just As I Am, had an agenda to change the course of evangelicalism, so probably things would have fallen out pretty much the way they have anyway. But there were firebrands on both sides who heated things up to be sure.

Are you still serving in Japan? Just wondering. I think we corresponded privately a few years back when I was reading your brother’s book.

Just in case you don’t have them, here are great, scholarly books on the New Evangelical direction: The New Evangelical Theology, by Millard Erickson (1968, NE side), and Neo-Evangelicalism, by Robert P. Lightner (1965, Fundamentalist side). Both are available used on Amazon.

We retired from Japan five years ago, and I teach Bible, Greek, missions, Bible translation, etc. here at Baptist College of Ministry. My son, who has a Ph.D. from Southeastern under Greek scholar David Alan Black, teaches with me, and that is a huge blessing. Thanks for asking!

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor. 10:31).

[Aaron Blumer]

You have to draw them somewhere, and wherever you draw them there will be some individual cases that make the location of the line look absurd. (It’s like the speed limit: why is 60 better than 61? Or the “age of majority”: why is 18 better than 17.75?)

I don’t remember the historical details now, but I believe there was a falling out between Rice and Bob Jones Jr. and that the degrees of separation were a factor in that. Maybe the primary factor.

I had always thought that the two great issues in that split were the degrees of separation, as you say, and the definition of verbal inspiration (and I was at BJU in those days). However, in the JRR Papers is a letter from JRR to Bob Jones, Jr., dated Sept. 20, 1971. It was in answer to a previous letter from Jones in which Jones questioned the status of the relationship. While expressing hope that the friendship would continue, Rice wrote that he would no longer be promoting BJU, and would no longer go there to preach. There were four reasons given: (1) the separation issue; (2) the definition of inspiration; (3) the fact that Jones did not believe revival to be possible any more; (4) the formalism in worship espoused by Jones, something Rice strongly opposed.

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor. 10:31).

[Rob Fall]

the kerfuffle wasn’t over how JRR dealt with Billy Graham. It was over his dealings with those still inside the SBC and the Convention itself.

That was a big part of it.

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor. 10:31).

[AndyE]
Aaron Blumer wrote:I don’t remember the historical details now, but I believe there was a falling out between Rice and Bob Jones Jr. and that the degrees of separation were a factor in that. Maybe the primary factor.

I used to have a little booklet, written by BJjr, entitled, “Facts J R Rice will not face” or something similar. I loaned it to someone years ago and never got it back. I think “degrees of separation” frames the issue the wrong way. I think you look at passages such as Romans 16:17-18 and ask, is this person or ministry causing divisions and offenses contrary to the apostolic doctrine? If so, then you have to avoid/separate. The thing causing it may be direct false doctrine, or it could be giving Christian recognition to unbelievers, or it could be something else. The question is not, how many degrees of separation, but is what this person doing — will it cause damage to the truth of the gospel, or contribute to the spiritual downfall of others?

I found that booklet on Amazon and bought it for my research. Jones makes some strong points, but they are overshadowed by his harsh rhetoric and rumor-spreading.

I think you have a valid point here. The disputes under discussion on this thread usually took place concerning the so-called “universal church,” though they were not necessarily framed that way. However, I tend to be more of a local church man, and think that such things as the definition of “heretic” (division-causer), church cooperation in a local setting, etc., are more important than cooperation or separation in an institutional setting.

"Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor. 10:31).

In a week or so, I’ll post another short excerpt from Rice’s book about secondary separation. For more than that, everyone will have to buy the book!

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.