“I don’t want to get into the specifics of the incident here, we hope the controversy brought about by the controversy will ultimately produce light rather than the heat of yet another conflagration on the internet. It might help, though, if we understand what sacrilege and blasphemy are.” - Don Johnson
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NewI saw the BJU fashion show images ...
I saw the BJU fashion show images … I didn’t find them either sacrilegious or blasphemous.
Tasteless and frivolous would be how I would characterize them
NewWhich is exactly the point, Craig
When you make our Holy God tasteless and frivolous, that is the sine qua non of sacrilege and blasphemy.
And… it doesn’t matter how you find them. It matters how God finds them. God struck Uzzah dead for touching the ark of the covenant. What do you think God thinks of this situation? That’s the question.
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
NewIf BJU is going to have a fashion major ...
If BJU is going to have a fashion major … expect weirdness
NewWell, I agree with that one!
However, the points still stand.
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
NewMany Moons Ago (A little Native American lingo there)...
…we had fashion shows at BJU in the early 1980s. I know because I was involved in setting up the stages, lights, and audio in the Concert Center. Thing is, back then, I don’t remember any guys involved — they could’ve been, I guess, but I don’t remember. Also, the clothing was, you know, all girly stuff — dresses, wedding gowns, etc.
It figures a guy would be the one screwing up the fashion show for the gals. What guy - what person - would figure a “Jesus Goes to Hollywood” get-up (complete with a crown of some type) would be acceptable at “The Fortress of Faith?” This is the same BJU that protested the local opening of Monty Python’s “Life of Brian” — and, to be honest, I don’t see a whole lot of difference between Python’s “Brian” and BJU’s Fashion Jesus.
That being said, the faculty member(s) that allowed this should be the ones getting the heat — not the student(s). I hope Dr. Petit isn’t too old to remember that if the faculty allow the inmates (a.k.a., students) to run the asylum, this is what you get…
"Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason."
NewOverstating the case, IMO
Don, it was a fashion show, and I don’t know that anyone was doing much theological at all, let alone making God frivolous or tasteless. In my view, the show missed the goal of providing a distinctly Christian take on fashion, and also erred with a certain amount of political commentary that was ill advised. Can’t we leave it at that?
(really, given the list of embarrassing things to come out of BJU—interracial dating ban until 2000, seriously?—I think we ought to be glad that it wasn’t much, much worse)
Regarding the fashion,a bit of how it missed the mark. For starters, at least two of the garments showcased were of the genre “strapless evening gown with the bust and shoulders covered up with a bit of fabric”, as has been seen at fundamental high school and college “formals” for decades. I can’t figure out (my wife does a fair amount of sewing including customizing garments for me, including draping) whether the students actually learned the basics of tucks and darts to fit the feminine form, or whether they simply bought off the rack and tacked some things on. Same thing with the two other dresses which fit into the classification of “looser-fitting knit dress with some sparkly doo-dads tacked on.” And then the mask with apparently a bloody handprint on it….mmmkay….
For the guys, we’ve got one in more or less a smoking jacket, another who found an oversized Nordic sweater at the thrift store, and finally someone who took a brother’s polyester jacket and apparently merged it with a Hefty bag. Both ladies and gentlemen are trying to affect the walks they see on the runways in London, New York, and Paris.
The overall impression is that BJU’s fashion school is following the world’s pattern of not requiring students to learn to actually sew and create the garments, that they’re putting on “bling” instead of that skill, and that “bling” actually tends to draw the eye to critical areas in exactly the same way as a prom dress.
Don’t get me wrong; I’m glad that BJU is trying to work in this area, but I don’t know that they’re anywhere near achieving a distinctive “Christian” kind of fashion which combines the importance of fit/attractiveness, function, durability, and the like. I wish them well.
Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.
Newtotally missing the point
You clearly don’t understand what this is about, so probably best to sit this one out.
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
NewDon Johnson wrote:
I don’t understand what this is about either.
Maybe you should explain?
I didn’t even see any links in that cryptic post.
NewNeither Sacrilegious nor Blasphemous
I had no idea what was going on until I did a little digging. Setting aside the unfortunate reality that BJU is still somewhat in the clutches of “hard-core” fundamentalists and, hence, the school needs to continue to look over their shoulder to gauge the fury of those “hard-core” fundamentalists who are increasingly further and further behind them, the phrase tempest in a teapot comes to mind.
In my digging around, I read the student’s statement that he posted on Facebook. It’s a long, thoughtful defense of his design choices and renderings.
High fashion makes an easy target for most of us to mock. I admit that I don’t get/appreciate or even like high fashion, but I have enough epistemic humility to recognize that my response may owe a debt to my ignorance and not be valid. That being said, even considering my general eye-rolling disdain for high fashion, I still appreciate the student designer’s intent to use his medium as a way to tell the story of Redemption. Whether he succeeded or not is a debate worth having (and a debate most of us are not qualified to participate in considering our/my ignorance of high fashion). Throwing this kid to the wolves is beyond uncharitable.
By the way, there is no such thing as Christian fashion. There are Christians working in fashion and they answer to God for how they use their skills and participate in their craft. Ethical questions are appropriate, though. For example, are they honoring God and loving others as they image God in the specific discipline the Spirit has placed them? Again, though, that’s a question that those of us who do not understand high fashion may want to tread very lightly around.
NewIn defense of Matthew Foxx - his FB post with images
https://www.facebook.com/matthew.foxx.319
The young man was kicked to the curb and shoved under a bus
Newdoes it defend or make worse?
Consider the language and the philosophy behind it.
Doesn’t sound to me like something BJU should continue to produce.
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3
NewBJU did not 'produce' it
BJU did not ‘produce’ it. The young man, a fashion artist, produced it.
NewBlasphemy, sacrilege
I’m having trouble connecting the lines between the images and blasphemy and sacrilege.
Take the image of Jesus on the cross on the red jacket. The image looks to be from a piece of art, which for all I know is hanging in the BJU art gallery.
There doesn’t seem to have been an attempt to trivialize or shame or anything like that.
I myself have a very skeptical view of fashion in general. If you take fashion advice from me, you will wear khakis and a polo every day. So it’s hard for me to understand how someone can think of clothes as a place to make any kind of statement. But if you accept that notion, I don’t really see the content of what was done here as evil.
IMO, if BJU has done anything wrong here, it was accepting money from someone and in return giving him a degree in “fashion.”
NewThis!
Yup!
NewCraig Toliver wrote:
To clarify, I meant the young man himself, he is the product of BJU’s education (at least partially), and the “fashion” major as well.
Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3