Listing the h.t. in malformed modern versions
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I believe Larry wanted to split off and avoid talking about homoeoteleuton errors when dealing with the bulk of the 200 deletions in modern versions following the critical Greek text.
So to conform to his wishes, I’ve started a separate thread here just on the 75 homoeoteleuton from the ancestors of Aleph/B mistakenly adopted by modern versions:
Homoeoteleuton Masterlist (Aleph/B)
MATTHEW
12:46 h.t. (…λαλησαι, …λαλησαι)
15:6 h.t. (…αυτου, …αυτου)
15:8 h.a. (ΤΩΣ…, ΤΟΙΣ…)
17:20-22 h.a. (ΤΟΥΤΩ/ΕΤΑΙ…, ΤΟΥΤΟ/ΕΤΑΙ…)
18:11 h.t. (…-οις, …-ος)
20:7 h.a. (και…, και… )
20:16 h.t. (…-τοι, …-τοι)
20:22 h.t./h.a. (και…-εσθε, και..-εσθε)
21:44 h.t. (θησεται…αυτ-…και, θησεται…αυτ-…και)
23:4 h.t. (…και, …και)
23:14 h.t. (…γραμματεις και φαρισαιοι, …” ” ” “)
26:3 h.t. (…και, …και)
27:35 h.t. (… κληρον, … κληρον)
MARK
6:33-34 h.t. (…και, …και)
8:26-27 h.a. (MHΔΕ Ε…, MHΔΕ Ε… )
9:49-50 h.t. (…I ΑΛIΣΘHΣΕTΑI, …I ΑΛIΣΘHΣΕTΑI )
10:7 h.t. (…και, …και)
11:8 h.t. (…ΩN KΑI, …ΟN KΑI)
11:25-26 h.t. ( …τα παραπτωματα υμων, …”” “” )
12:33 h.t. (…και, …και)
14:19 h.t. ( …Σ MHTI ΕΓΩ, …Σ MHTI ΕΓΩ)
14:68 h.t. (…ON KΑI, …ΕN KΑI)
15:27-29 h.t. (…και, …και)
LUKE
4:5 h.t. ( …-ον, …-ον )
5:38-39 h.t. (α…και, α…και)
6:45 h.t. ( …-ου, …-ου )
8:48 h.t. ( …Θ, …Θ )
9:55-56 h.t. ( …και ε, …και ε )
11:54 h.t. ( …αυτου, …αυτου)
12:39 h.t. (…-ται, …και)
17:9 h.t. ( …-ω ου, …-ω ου )
17:24 h.t. ( …ωπου, …αυτου )
17:36 h.t. ( …παραληφθησεται και η ετερα/ος αφεθησεται, …”” “” )
19:45 h.t. ( …ουντας , …οντας )
20:30 h.t. ( …-ος, …-ος )
22:68 h.t. ( …η απο–ητε , …η απο–ητε )
23:17 h.t. ( …-αν, …-αν )
23:23 h.t. ( …αι—ωνα–ων, …αι—ωνα–ων )
24:42-43 h.t. ( …ου —οσ και, …ου —ου και)
24:51 h.t. ( …ωνκαια, …ονκαια )
JΟΗΝ
3:13 h.a./h.t. (ο υς του ανου , ο ωνεν τω ορω )
5:16 h.a. (και..του..ον…, και..του..ον… )
6:11 h.t. ( …τοις, …τοις )
6:22 h.t. ( …ν . οι. μαθηται. αυτου , …ν . οι. μαθηται. αυτου )
8:59-9:2 h.t. ( …ου και, …ως και )
10:12-13 h.a. (ο’δε μισθωτος…, οτι μισθωτος… )
11:41 h.t. ( …νος , …ους )
13:31-32 h.t. ( …ο Θς εδοξασθη εν αυτω, …ο Θς εδοξασθη εν αυτω )
17:12 h.t. ( …εντω, …εγω )
19:16-17 h.t. ( …ουν και, …ον και )
ACTS
2:30 h.a. (κα…, κα… )
15:24 h.t. ( …μων, …μον )
15:32-35 h.t. ( …τας αυτους, …ναι αυτου )
20:15 h.a./h.t. (κατ…ου τη, και…ιω τη )
21:22 h.t. ( …ι ουν —ιν π—ως, …ι συν—ιν π—ος )
22:9 h.t. ( …αντο , …οντο )
26:29-31 h.t. ( …ουτων, …αυτου )
Romans:
9:27-29 h.t. ( …συντεμνων, …συντετμημενον)
11:6 h.a. (ει δε…επει …ουκετι…, ει δε…επει …ουκετι… )
13:9 h.a./h.t. (ου…-εις, ου…-εις )
14:6 h.t. ( …φρονων την ημεραν κυριω … φρονει και ο , …”” “” )
14:21 h.t. ( …τει, …νει )
15:24 h.t. ( …νιαν, …υμας )
15:29 h.t. (…του, …του)
Others:
1st Cor. 10:28 h.a. (και…, και… )
1st Cor 15:52-54 h.a. (το –-τον τουτο ενδυσηται…, “” “”… )
Gal. 3:1 h.a. (τα–-μα…, τη–-ια… )
Eph. 3:14-15 h.t. ( …του, …-του )
Eph. 5:30 h.a./h.t. (εκ…αυτου, εκ…αυτου )
Phil. 3:15-17 h.t. ( …τω αυτω…-ειν, …τω αυτω…-ειν )
1st Thess. 3:2 h.a. (και…ον…, και…ον… )
1st Tim. 6:7 h.t. (…ον, …ον )
Heb. 1:8-9 h.a./h.t. ( τον αιωνα, του αιωνος )
Heb. 7:21-22 h.a. (κατα τ…, κατα τ… )
1st Pet. 4:14 h.t. ( …υμας …-εται, …υμας …-εται )
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Even if only half of these omissions originated in simple h.t. errors in the Alexandrian stream of transmission, it would mean that the modern ‘critical text’ is the biggest collective catastrophe to the text in modern Bible history.
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We noted that most modern versions are now done in cooperation with the Roman Catholic church, and that they have instructed that all translations, Catholic and Protestant, be based on the UBS4 critical Greek Text. A quick check of the most popular English translations confirms almost complete conformity with UBS4, even and especially regarding the 75 known probable h.t. omissions found in the Alexandrian texts.
Lets see how often the modern versions actually follow the mistaken readings of the UBS4 text:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-x9S_4s_TZcE/TVmjC7vNN3I/AAAAAAAAAJw/jj2U6wK4W…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GgCL1NiES3Q/TVmjDjYHeBI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/w-q-1wJMk…
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AONipz3BeQc/TVmjEk82yCI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/pZQnGJEzv…
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/—4hmu75CkRg/TVmjFy7luXI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/s-Lqn9h12…
Each of the three popular modern versions slavishly follows UBS4, with the result that they have wrongly omitted text 66-71 times out of 75. That is, they are all in serious error over 90% of the time.
Christians are probably better off with a New King James or equivalent text, if they want a modern version without so many mistaken deletions of text.
Lets see how often the modern versions actually follow the mistaken readings of the UBS4 text:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-x9S_4s_TZcE/TVmjC7vNN3I/AAAAAAAAAJw/jj2U6wK4W…
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GgCL1NiES3Q/TVmjDjYHeBI/AAAAAAAAAJ0/w-q-1wJMk…
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AONipz3BeQc/TVmjEk82yCI/AAAAAAAAAJ4/pZQnGJEzv…
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/—4hmu75CkRg/TVmjFy7luXI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/s-Lqn9h12…
Each of the three popular modern versions slavishly follows UBS4, with the result that they have wrongly omitted text 66-71 times out of 75. That is, they are all in serious error over 90% of the time.
Christians are probably better off with a New King James or equivalent text, if they want a modern version without so many mistaken deletions of text.
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Edward,
You said:
You said:
We noted that most modern versions are now done in cooperation with the Roman Catholic church, and that they have instructed that all translations, Catholic and Protestant, be based on the UBS4 critical Greek Text.Do you have a list of which modern versions are based off of the UBS4? I did a quick search online but didn’t see anything like that. I think it might be helpful for you to identify which versions you believe are problematic. I know you seem to recommend the NKJV.
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Dear Jay:
It might be helpful to explain a bit more fully the recent history of the modern versions.
(1) The Papal instruction regarding using the UBS Greek text as a base was issued in 1987, at the time of the *corrected UBS3 (3rd edition). A brief note on the editions is as follows:
UBS1 1966 * (1st ed. text = Nestle-1927)
UBS3 1975 * (3rd ed. +500 changes made by Aland)
NA26 1979 * (26th ed. adopts text of = UBS3 made by Aland)
UBS3c 1983 * (corrected = adopts NA26 punctuation and gets a new Apparatus)
NA27 1993 * (text = NA26th ed. + revised apparatus)
Thus all these “editions” are essentially the text edited by Aland, based on Westcott/Hort. They are not significantly different.
This Papal agreement would naturally extend to the latest version, UBS4 (1993). This agreement was documented by David Cloud, Answering the Myths on the Bible Version Debate, p. 175:
(2) It is also true however, that most “modern versions” have roots going back to the early 1950s, when many were using either the Westcott/Hort text directly, or some edition like the early Nestle text or UBS1, and generally following the omissions and alterations adopted by the very first and infamous Revised Version (1882) and American Standard Version (ASV). These Unitarian productions had a widespread and extensive support from American universities and mainstream denominations infiltrated and taken over by Unitarian sympathizers.
Thus you will find that most “modern versions” are actually based largely on the earlier editions of the UBS text, or some version of the Nestle/Aland (editions 26, 27). All of these Greek NTs however, are virtually identical, and only vary from each other occasionally in departing from Westcott/Hort on the some 200 major omissions of whole/half-verses.
Here is a sample comparison for Matthew:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eBx1XhCqPGc/TVfm799ynsI/AAAAAAAAAIk/juOaol1C8…
It might be helpful to explain a bit more fully the recent history of the modern versions.
(1) The Papal instruction regarding using the UBS Greek text as a base was issued in 1987, at the time of the *corrected UBS3 (3rd edition). A brief note on the editions is as follows:
UBS1 1966 * (1st ed. text = Nestle-1927)
UBS3 1975 * (3rd ed. +500 changes made by Aland)
NA26 1979 * (26th ed. adopts text of = UBS3 made by Aland)
UBS3c 1983 * (corrected = adopts NA26 punctuation and gets a new Apparatus)
NA27 1993 * (text = NA26th ed. + revised apparatus)
Thus all these “editions” are essentially the text edited by Aland, based on Westcott/Hort. They are not significantly different.
This Papal agreement would naturally extend to the latest version, UBS4 (1993). This agreement was documented by David Cloud, Answering the Myths on the Bible Version Debate, p. 175:
Rome has conformed its own Vulgate to the modern criticalOf course such ‘behind closed doors’ agreements by the Ecumenical Movement and the American and United Bible Societies would make the hair stand on end of anyone familiar with the history of the Roman Catholics in opposition to the Reformation.
text. In 1965, Pope Paul VI authorized the publication of a new
Latin Vulgate, with the Latin text conformed to the United Bible
Societies Greek New Testament (Michael de Semlyen, All Roads
Lead to Rome, p. 201). It was published in 1979 by the German
Bible Society. …
The Bible Societies translation projects today are
“interconfessional.” In 1987 a formal agreement was made
between the Roman Catholic Church and the United Bible Societies
that the critical Greek New Testament would be used for all future
translations, both Catholic and Protestant (Guidelines for
International Cooperation in Translating the Bible, Rome, 1987, p.
5). (For more about ecumenical translations see our book Unholy
Hands on God’s Holy Book, available from Way of Life Literature.)
(2) It is also true however, that most “modern versions” have roots going back to the early 1950s, when many were using either the Westcott/Hort text directly, or some edition like the early Nestle text or UBS1, and generally following the omissions and alterations adopted by the very first and infamous Revised Version (1882) and American Standard Version (ASV). These Unitarian productions had a widespread and extensive support from American universities and mainstream denominations infiltrated and taken over by Unitarian sympathizers.
Thus you will find that most “modern versions” are actually based largely on the earlier editions of the UBS text, or some version of the Nestle/Aland (editions 26, 27). All of these Greek NTs however, are virtually identical, and only vary from each other occasionally in departing from Westcott/Hort on the some 200 major omissions of whole/half-verses.
Here is a sample comparison for Matthew:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eBx1XhCqPGc/TVfm799ynsI/AAAAAAAAAIk/juOaol1C8…
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FYI, it wasn’t me who asked for this.
[Larry] FYI, it wasn’t me who asked for this.My impression stands corrected. I hope no damage was done.
I note the other thread already has over 800 hits, which seems to imply a strong interest. Only 2 other threads in this sub-forum have scored higher, both of which were started over a year ago. I hope this thread sparks the same interest eventually. It may have been poorly titled for that purpose.
my apologies.
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No problem at all. Just wanted to point out why I wasn’t participating in this thread so some unsuspecting reader didn’t think I asked a question and ignored the answer.
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