Easter Plans 2010
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I know this is really early, but barring the rapture (for those pre-trib, pre-mil folks), I am considering Easter plans.
I am looking for something based on the 7 cries from the cross, in the tradition of Dubois, but not as classical or inaccessible for my 15-20 voice volunteer choir. I potentially will use this as a Good Friday service and set up Resurrection Sunday. If necessary I’ll make my own with octavos.
Any suggestions for octavos to match the following phrases?
1. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
2. Today you shall be with me in paradise.
3. Mother behold your son, son behold your mother.
4. I thirst
5. Father, why have you forsaken me?
6. It is finished.
7. Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.
I am looking for something based on the 7 cries from the cross, in the tradition of Dubois, but not as classical or inaccessible for my 15-20 voice volunteer choir. I potentially will use this as a Good Friday service and set up Resurrection Sunday. If necessary I’ll make my own with octavos.
Any suggestions for octavos to match the following phrases?
1. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
2. Today you shall be with me in paradise.
3. Mother behold your son, son behold your mother.
4. I thirst
5. Father, why have you forsaken me?
6. It is finished.
7. Father, into your hands I commend my spirit.
Hm. Makes me wonder if there’s an accessible “cantata” setting of Christ’s words on the cross? Surely there is a Llyod Larson or Joseph Martin-type treatment.
A. Hommerding has a setting of the last seven sayings of Christ. It’s for unison voices, but it may give you a solo or kid’s choir or something.
The easiest one to find will probably be “It Is Finished.” Everybody from Gaither to Hamilton has a setting.
Craig Courtney has an “I Thirst.” Text by Pamela Martin.
Pepper Choplin has a “Father, Forgive Them.”
Doesn’t Koerts have a “Paradise”? I can’t remember exactly, but think it at least referenced Christ on the cross. From SoundForth.
For “Why Hast Thou Forsaken” you may need to try Psalm 22 settings. Ellingbow has a great one in his REQUIEM. Not exactly average church choir material, but I did it with a choir of non-auditioned high schoolers. I think he uses the title “My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?”
The only “Into Your Hands” I could find is by F. Ferko publisher by Schirmer for a cappella. I’ve not seen it, but my guess is it’s not what you’re looking for.
I’m in the pushing stage of Christmas right now. You know, making the ideas I’ve been dreaming about actually happen. Wish I was in the brainstorming or researching or planning stages, though. I like those much better, frankly :-) But what we do in the next four weeks will determine what our Christmas presentation will be!
Dave
A. Hommerding has a setting of the last seven sayings of Christ. It’s for unison voices, but it may give you a solo or kid’s choir or something.
The easiest one to find will probably be “It Is Finished.” Everybody from Gaither to Hamilton has a setting.
Craig Courtney has an “I Thirst.” Text by Pamela Martin.
Pepper Choplin has a “Father, Forgive Them.”
Doesn’t Koerts have a “Paradise”? I can’t remember exactly, but think it at least referenced Christ on the cross. From SoundForth.
For “Why Hast Thou Forsaken” you may need to try Psalm 22 settings. Ellingbow has a great one in his REQUIEM. Not exactly average church choir material, but I did it with a choir of non-auditioned high schoolers. I think he uses the title “My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?”
The only “Into Your Hands” I could find is by F. Ferko publisher by Schirmer for a cappella. I’ve not seen it, but my guess is it’s not what you’re looking for.
I’m in the pushing stage of Christmas right now. You know, making the ideas I’ve been dreaming about actually happen. Wish I was in the brainstorming or researching or planning stages, though. I like those much better, frankly :-) But what we do in the next four weeks will determine what our Christmas presentation will be!
Dave
Thanks for the Octavo ideas. I still have a bit of research to do.
I looked at the calendar and saw that Nov. and Dec. were pretty full, and decided I better brainstorm now so that we can be ready to start Easter prep in January.
My Christmas rehearsals are going as planned, and our biggest hurdles are with the accompaniments from Coleman’s “Let the people Sing at Christmas”. The organist (My wife, with 2 small children) is working to carve out the practice time. I guess that means Dad has to spend time with his kids in order for the Christmas cantata to go smoothly.
I looked at the calendar and saw that Nov. and Dec. were pretty full, and decided I better brainstorm now so that we can be ready to start Easter prep in January.
My Christmas rehearsals are going as planned, and our biggest hurdles are with the accompaniments from Coleman’s “Let the people Sing at Christmas”. The organist (My wife, with 2 small children) is working to carve out the practice time. I guess that means Dad has to spend time with his kids in order for the Christmas cantata to go smoothly.
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
Lorenz published The Living Last Words by Ruth Elaine Shram.
It is mostly her original music with some familiar tunes in the accompaniments, and What Wondrous Love tacked on at the end.
It was nice stuff, if you like her style, but is not very captivating.
I like an Easter cantata to catch my attention, and make me reconsider the facts of the cross and the resurrection in a unique way.
A decision is just on the horizon.
It is mostly her original music with some familiar tunes in the accompaniments, and What Wondrous Love tacked on at the end.
It was nice stuff, if you like her style, but is not very captivating.
I like an Easter cantata to catch my attention, and make me reconsider the facts of the cross and the resurrection in a unique way.
A decision is just on the horizon.
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
Anthony, when you finalize your cantata, can you post the songs you chose?
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
I’ve looked at several of Schram’s “cantatas” (cantati?) and felt the same way: “Nice, but not captivating.” If we’re gonig to live with this thing for the next 3 months, it better be substantial enough to hold our interest!
We’re doing Martin’s WHO IS THIS KING? Hopefully I’ll have better success balancing the orchestrations this time around. So many orchestrations are for recording purposes and create huge balance issues when done live.
Dave
We’re doing Martin’s WHO IS THIS KING? Hopefully I’ll have better success balancing the orchestrations this time around. So many orchestrations are for recording purposes and create huge balance issues when done live.
Dave
I do hope you do well with the orchestration, Dave. We just finished Martin’s The Mystery and the Majesty for Christmas, and we used the orchestration. Pastor said this may be the last time we use an orchestration, and that he won’t use any more from that source. I heartily wish producers of accompaniment tracks would use a metronome and balance out the volume before finalizing their recordings. Don’t they realize how vital a steady, discernable beat is to a recorded track? *sigh*
Thankfully, the cantata turned out well, but not without a great deal of anxiety on Pastor’s part over the direction.
Thankfully, the cantata turned out well, but not without a great deal of anxiety on Pastor’s part over the direction.
That is interesting Angela. The orch tracks had a lot of rubato in them? Rubato is great and adds tremendously to the impact, but can be difficult to handle. The producers certainly know the pros and cons of rubato but may have overestimated a typical choir’s ability to follow it.
Regarding balancing the volume (mastering), I am a big fan of that of leaving the dynamic contrast in there as much as possible (as they seem to have done). You want to have very soft sounds and very large sounds in a production like that. In fact, one of the sad aspects of much modern recording is that is mastered to a point where there is no dynamic variety.
Regarding balancing the volume (mastering), I am a big fan of that of leaving the dynamic contrast in there as much as possible (as they seem to have done). You want to have very soft sounds and very large sounds in a production like that. In fact, one of the sad aspects of much modern recording is that is mastered to a point where there is no dynamic variety.
Rubato - (I confess, I had to look up the term). Yes, there was a good deal of it. While it may sound good on the demo, it was extremely difficult for our small choir to follow. We have a 17-member choir, with two choir speakers, and a monitor for the director as our only sources for hearing the music. It just made it so much more difficult to follow along when, mid-phrase, the orchestra would slow down for a couple measures, then ramp back up again. Whatever emotion we might have put into such a choice was lost in our trying to just match the lyrics with the notes at the appropriate tempo. It’s one thing to have a slower section then go back to an original tempo. It’s another thing to direct 17 singers, most of whom have no vocal training and are very dependent on their music, and have multiple passages that vary randomly in their tempo.
When the accompaniment itself also drastically varies in volume, it makes it hard for the director to even hear whether he’s still on the beat, nevermind the singers trying to reconcile what they’re almost hearing with the movement of his hands. And in a small sanctuary, having 17 voices trying to match the dynamic variation that a full orchestra is capable of becomes nearly impossible if there hasn’t been some mastering applied. We couldn’t hear the softest portions at all, and we couldn’t hear ourselves during the loudest ones.
It would seem to me that the majority of those who would be using an accompaniment track would be small groups who either don’t have a musician or would like to give theirs a break for a special production like a Christmas cantata. It would be nice to encounter a background track that took the needs of such groups into consideration. Our ladies ensemble uses a track as well, and we are forever frustrated by the chronic lack of a discernible beat in the track - just little “signposts” to let us know we’re still where we need to be amid all the flourishes and tinkling triangles. Is that too much to ask? :D
All this is, of course, from the choir loft’s perspective. We got lots of lovely comments afterward about how much people enjoyed it. ;) We just felt like, in the end, the track was more of a hindrance to a good performance than a help (although our pianist might disagree - she was enormously grateful to have the opportunity to sing and a break from the practice she normally must put in at Christmastime).
When the accompaniment itself also drastically varies in volume, it makes it hard for the director to even hear whether he’s still on the beat, nevermind the singers trying to reconcile what they’re almost hearing with the movement of his hands. And in a small sanctuary, having 17 voices trying to match the dynamic variation that a full orchestra is capable of becomes nearly impossible if there hasn’t been some mastering applied. We couldn’t hear the softest portions at all, and we couldn’t hear ourselves during the loudest ones.
It would seem to me that the majority of those who would be using an accompaniment track would be small groups who either don’t have a musician or would like to give theirs a break for a special production like a Christmas cantata. It would be nice to encounter a background track that took the needs of such groups into consideration. Our ladies ensemble uses a track as well, and we are forever frustrated by the chronic lack of a discernible beat in the track - just little “signposts” to let us know we’re still where we need to be amid all the flourishes and tinkling triangles. Is that too much to ask? :D
All this is, of course, from the choir loft’s perspective. We got lots of lovely comments afterward about how much people enjoyed it. ;) We just felt like, in the end, the track was more of a hindrance to a good performance than a help (although our pianist might disagree - she was enormously grateful to have the opportunity to sing and a break from the practice she normally must put in at Christmastime).
“In fact, one of the sad aspects of much modern recording is that is mastered to a point where there is no dynamic variety.” Hear, hear!
But to Angela’s point … recorded accompaniment tracks are both a blessing and a burden for the exact reasons she so cleary stated. I’ve always been too much of a control freak to be able to follow a recording. When I don’t have a pianist, we work to sing unconducted and I just play. (Thank the LORD for parents with the spiritual foresight to make me take piano lessons!) It’s always been my opinion that singing with a recording means you have to be able to follow the ryhthm easily. Thus, it works best with musical styles that use a more dominant rhythm than I typically use. Or your other option is to practice with the recording. A lot. I would think (Again, I’ve not sung or directed a lot with recordings.) that an ensemble would need 1/3 more rehearsal time to get the tempos into their collective musical memory. This seems to work well for ensembles that rely heavily on part demonstration recordings to learn their music and/or groups that memorize all the music.
And FWIW, the companies that make the recordings are typically not so interested in reasonable orchestrations and consistent “follow-able” tempos. Those things don’t sell music. Lush orchestrations and “passionate,” “emotional” singing sell recordings.
Someone told me once that the way he chose choir music was to put the recoding on while he was driving, the volume on low. When a song captured his attention and made him turn up the volume, he would note it. (Always reminds of the way Puccini would compose in the pub. When everyone stopped talking to listen, he knew he had a hit opera tune!) There is some truth to the fact that the music must have a raison d’être. (One of my teachers called it “the joy of the song.” What effect is this music supposed to have? What is it designed to do?) But it leaves out an equally important facet of choosing music: Will this song work with my group? Are the things I want to change (tempo, mood, dynamics, even rhythms) able to be changed without affecting the “joy of the song”—the very fabric of the music? And are the difficulties worth the time it will take me to work them out? (Specifically: Is it worth the extra time to practice with the recording, collectively or individually, until the piece is basically memorized so that we can have the London Philharmonic accompanying us?) These questions can’t be answered from merely being wowed by a recording.
For the record, I was actually talking about live orchestra. On a recording, they balance the instruments so that you can clearly hear the solo flute line over the brass ensemble. But acoustically it is a problem :-) And don’t even get me started on thick orchestration over a ladies unison in the lower register. Ugh!
Dave
But to Angela’s point … recorded accompaniment tracks are both a blessing and a burden for the exact reasons she so cleary stated. I’ve always been too much of a control freak to be able to follow a recording. When I don’t have a pianist, we work to sing unconducted and I just play. (Thank the LORD for parents with the spiritual foresight to make me take piano lessons!) It’s always been my opinion that singing with a recording means you have to be able to follow the ryhthm easily. Thus, it works best with musical styles that use a more dominant rhythm than I typically use. Or your other option is to practice with the recording. A lot. I would think (Again, I’ve not sung or directed a lot with recordings.) that an ensemble would need 1/3 more rehearsal time to get the tempos into their collective musical memory. This seems to work well for ensembles that rely heavily on part demonstration recordings to learn their music and/or groups that memorize all the music.
And FWIW, the companies that make the recordings are typically not so interested in reasonable orchestrations and consistent “follow-able” tempos. Those things don’t sell music. Lush orchestrations and “passionate,” “emotional” singing sell recordings.
Someone told me once that the way he chose choir music was to put the recoding on while he was driving, the volume on low. When a song captured his attention and made him turn up the volume, he would note it. (Always reminds of the way Puccini would compose in the pub. When everyone stopped talking to listen, he knew he had a hit opera tune!) There is some truth to the fact that the music must have a raison d’être. (One of my teachers called it “the joy of the song.” What effect is this music supposed to have? What is it designed to do?) But it leaves out an equally important facet of choosing music: Will this song work with my group? Are the things I want to change (tempo, mood, dynamics, even rhythms) able to be changed without affecting the “joy of the song”—the very fabric of the music? And are the difficulties worth the time it will take me to work them out? (Specifically: Is it worth the extra time to practice with the recording, collectively or individually, until the piece is basically memorized so that we can have the London Philharmonic accompanying us?) These questions can’t be answered from merely being wowed by a recording.
For the record, I was actually talking about live orchestra. On a recording, they balance the instruments so that you can clearly hear the solo flute line over the brass ensemble. But acoustically it is a problem :-) And don’t even get me started on thick orchestration over a ladies unison in the lower register. Ugh!
Dave
I figured Dave was talking about live orchestration, :) and his balance issues were more dependent on the actual written score rather than the ability of the singers and the sound guy.
I have used some sound tracks on a few octavos for Easter cantatas when the accompaniment was too difficult for my piano player or it provided some unique instrumentation that was not available to me. It did require a lot, and I mean a lot of extra rehearsal to do it well. I also determined that if I ever do it again, I will have to have a sound guy at every choir rehearsal so they get the practice on it as well.
As far as Easter 2010, I ended up switching gears. I did not find all that I was looking for as far as the “seven cries from the cross” So I decided to use “Calvary’s Mountain” by John Leavitt as the base of my cantata. It is quite easy and there is a lot of unison singing. So I plan to add a few octavos.
Potentially:
“Sacred Wondrous Love” by Sorenson
“See What a Morning” the Getty Song, arr. by Shackley
“Jesus Reigns” Fettke’s final piece from “The Majesty and Glory of the Resurrection” printed in Octavo form.
The Octavos are not set in stone. I want to stick with Leavitt’s American tune emphasis, but I have not found anything that is Early American about the resurrection that is catching my attention. Any Suggestions?
Thanks,
I have used some sound tracks on a few octavos for Easter cantatas when the accompaniment was too difficult for my piano player or it provided some unique instrumentation that was not available to me. It did require a lot, and I mean a lot of extra rehearsal to do it well. I also determined that if I ever do it again, I will have to have a sound guy at every choir rehearsal so they get the practice on it as well.
As far as Easter 2010, I ended up switching gears. I did not find all that I was looking for as far as the “seven cries from the cross” So I decided to use “Calvary’s Mountain” by John Leavitt as the base of my cantata. It is quite easy and there is a lot of unison singing. So I plan to add a few octavos.
Potentially:
“Sacred Wondrous Love” by Sorenson
“See What a Morning” the Getty Song, arr. by Shackley
“Jesus Reigns” Fettke’s final piece from “The Majesty and Glory of the Resurrection” printed in Octavo form.
The Octavos are not set in stone. I want to stick with Leavitt’s American tune emphasis, but I have not found anything that is Early American about the resurrection that is catching my attention. Any Suggestions?
Thanks,
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
Are you looking for authentic early American or “sounds like” :-) Joseph Martin’s “Sunrise, Resurrection” has that folk Americana feel though, of course, it’s modern. For legit stuff, you could consult DeVenney, David P.
“Early American choral music: an annotated guide.” Berkeley, Calif.: Fallen Leaf Press, c1988. [MUSIC REF. ML128.V7 D43 1988]
Dave
“Early American choral music: an annotated guide.” Berkeley, Calif.: Fallen Leaf Press, c1988. [MUSIC REF. ML128.V7 D43 1988]
Dave
Probably more sounds like. Leavitt just uses the tunes and still uses more 21st century arranging and chord structure.
In “Calvary’s Mountain” Leavitt arranges “What wondrous Love”, ” Alas and Did” to (AVON), “Jesus Died on Calvary’s Mountain” and “Were you there”. I plan to replace a Leavitt original with “Sacred Wondrous Love” unless I can find a more early American Sounding tune to an Isaiah 53 text.
Then I hope to add at least 2 resurrection songs following “Were you There”
The Narration follows the crucifixion and resurrection story as presented in the book of John
I just listened to “Sunrise Resurrection” at jwpepper online. I like it :) That fits the idea exactly! Thanks for the suggestion
I hope to tie all this together to the 175th anniversary of our church in July (chartered in 1835), thus the Early American theme
In “Calvary’s Mountain” Leavitt arranges “What wondrous Love”, ” Alas and Did” to (AVON), “Jesus Died on Calvary’s Mountain” and “Were you there”. I plan to replace a Leavitt original with “Sacred Wondrous Love” unless I can find a more early American Sounding tune to an Isaiah 53 text.
Then I hope to add at least 2 resurrection songs following “Were you There”
The Narration follows the crucifixion and resurrection story as presented in the book of John
I just listened to “Sunrise Resurrection” at jwpepper online. I like it :) That fits the idea exactly! Thanks for the suggestion
I hope to tie all this together to the 175th anniversary of our church in July (chartered in 1835), thus the Early American theme
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
I noticed as I was looking over things, that William Walker published Southern Harmony in 1835.
2 of the songs in “Calvary’s Mountain” are already connected to Southern Harmony: WONDROUS LOVE & “Jesus Died on Calvary’s Mountain”
SO… I am considering adding a choral rendition of “Amazing Grace” to NEW BRITAIN (First published together in Southern Harmony)
What is your favorite arrangement of “Amazing Grace” to NEW BRITAIN?
Also FYI The first LDS Hymnal, edited by Emma Smith (one of Joseph’s Wives), was published in 1835.
I think I’ll stick with the Walker tradition rather than the Smith tradition
2 of the songs in “Calvary’s Mountain” are already connected to Southern Harmony: WONDROUS LOVE & “Jesus Died on Calvary’s Mountain”
SO… I am considering adding a choral rendition of “Amazing Grace” to NEW BRITAIN (First published together in Southern Harmony)
What is your favorite arrangement of “Amazing Grace” to NEW BRITAIN?
Also FYI The first LDS Hymnal, edited by Emma Smith (one of Joseph’s Wives), was published in 1835.
I think I’ll stick with the Walker tradition rather than the Smith tradition
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
HA! Speaking of Mormons … . Has Mack Wilberg done a setting of “Amazing Grace”? I know he’s set several American hymns. Though his settings usually require divisi and … ahem … a larger choir :-)
I am ashamed to say that I don’t have an “Amazing Grace” that I use with my choir. *hangs head in shame* I’ll have to check out Parker-Shaw.
Love the 1835 angle! Hey, in 25 years we can do a 200th anniversery celebration of Walker’s hymnal and the famous tune/text wedding! Am I remembering correctly that SOUTHERN HARMONY was published in Spartenburg, SC? It’s been a while since I taught hymnology … .
Dave
I am ashamed to say that I don’t have an “Amazing Grace” that I use with my choir. *hangs head in shame* I’ll have to check out Parker-Shaw.
Love the 1835 angle! Hey, in 25 years we can do a 200th anniversery celebration of Walker’s hymnal and the famous tune/text wedding! Am I remembering correctly that SOUTHERN HARMONY was published in Spartenburg, SC? It’s been a while since I taught hymnology … .
Dave
Yes he did live and was buried in Spartanburg. He had “Southern Harmony” printed in Philadelphia
[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Harmony] Here’s the Wiki page[/URL]
and
[URL=http://www.ccel.org/ccel/walker/harmony/files/harmony.html Here’s an online version with intro be Harry Eskew[/URL]
[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Harmony] Here’s the Wiki page[/URL]
and
[URL=http://www.ccel.org/ccel/walker/harmony/files/harmony.html Here’s an online version with intro be Harry Eskew[/URL]
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
Easter 2010 at Mt. Tabor Baptist church will be as follows:
Title: “Calvary’s Mountain” - a cantata for Passiontide by John Leavitt - Brookfield Press
1. “Come to Calvary’s Holy Mountain” - L. Shackley
2. “What Wondrous Love” - arr. J. Leavitt
3. “O Sacred Wondrous Love” - arr. H. Sorenson - an arrangement of “O Sacred Head” quoting “What Wondrous Love”
4. “Alas and Did My Savior Bleed (AVON)” - arr. J. Leavitt
5. “Jesus Died on Calvary’s Mountain” - arr. J. Leavitt
6. “Were You There” - arr. J. Leavitt
7. “Sunrise Resurrection” - J. Martin
With readings from John 18-20
Title: “Calvary’s Mountain” - a cantata for Passiontide by John Leavitt - Brookfield Press
1. “Come to Calvary’s Holy Mountain” - L. Shackley
2. “What Wondrous Love” - arr. J. Leavitt
3. “O Sacred Wondrous Love” - arr. H. Sorenson - an arrangement of “O Sacred Head” quoting “What Wondrous Love”
4. “Alas and Did My Savior Bleed (AVON)” - arr. J. Leavitt
5. “Jesus Died on Calvary’s Mountain” - arr. J. Leavitt
6. “Were You There” - arr. J. Leavitt
7. “Sunrise Resurrection” - J. Martin
With readings from John 18-20
Keep us little and unknown, Prized and loved by God alone. ~Charles Wesley
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